Crave

[Veni*C]

Originally Posted by sNyx™

oh yeah, cuz thats not old.

myles.. your new avatar is gonna give me a seizure!!!

haha.. right on! ;)

[Ree Fresh]

Originally Posted by matéo

theres your first problem. 5 mins?


Paul okanfold wasnt nearly as bad as you people say. He is used to playing in front of thousands of people of course hes gunna be in a shitty mood seeing a bunch of drug induced 15 year olds dancing away compared to the different "music loving" crowds hes used to. I admit his mixing wasnt phenomonal but it wasnt horrible especially compared to some big names that have played main stage (the same ones you losers praise week after week)

playing what he played at 4am is almost the equivalant to someone jumping up there and playing breakbeats at the same time (its not going to be welcomed) but unfortunately everyone is dependent on anthem style hard rave trance. the djs on before paul should have played music according to what he was playing which doesnt mean playing hard trance at 10pm.

I dotn think we can blame in on the amount of ppl...
I knew alot of okeis stuff wanst gonna be tidy trax rockin shit... I was actualy looking forward to a realaxing trancy house set... But it was frustraing trying to enjoy it with the not so great sound.
I mean really matt... remember telling us to stop talking cus you couldnt hear the music when we where right up front and center? That alone says somthing besides oakie wasnt all there. Personaly I had a hard time hearing well enough.... And think thats why I didnt enjoy it as much as I could.

Oakenfold is not the first dj to show dick head attidude now :P

[Veni*C]

Originally Posted by -DLO_604-

LOL sure does!

Man now I gotto parties with a completely different perspective when I first started going partying.

yaaaaa.. cause uve been partyin for sooo long eh?

[de-ken]

^ I think he meant... the different perspectives of a regular partier (then) as opposed to a promoter (now)

[Ree Fresh]

Originally Posted by dSl-DuDe

^ thanks for the bad karma...I was just implying that the locals were probably expecting a Pioneer, and had never practiced on a rotary before... the looks on their faces were priceless when they saw it...and trainwrecked.. :(

Yes but that comes with expereince :) There are hundreds and thousands of mixers out there and youll experience all kinds of problems with knobs missing etc... and you just have to work with it. Ive had countless times where im faced with a new mixer and it can take almost 1/2 my set till I feel comfortable with it. but next tiem I run into it its like workign with the one I have at home. Maybe it messes you up... but your learnign somthing new ;)

[Veni*C]

Originally Posted by de-ken

^ I think he meant... the different perspectives of a regular partier (then) as opposed to a promoter (now)

ahh yes .. i forgot he is a "promoter" now...............

[Triple D]

All in all , I had a good time ..


I enjoyed all of the sets in the breaks room!

It's too bad about the shitty sound, but what can you really do about that.
Atleast it started to sound a little better later on.


Props to twisted for putting on a pretty decent show considering all of the problems.



Till next time......



Mike D.

[Anjew]

*sigh*... Best was AVB...
that guy was just awesome....
He engulfed the main room at plaza with his energy and attitude...
it was great to see....
what a shame with oakenfold...
he was in calgary on sunday.... and well... accorindg to everyoen there.. he was alright....

[automatic]

Originally Posted by MC Hammered

If he played breaks at least people would have danced to it.

Come on... a guy that has spun as much as he did should have been able to tell that the crowd wasn't getting into his set and change it up.

A DJ of his "calibre' should be able to mix just about any trance record right? He could have grabbed any of the other DJ's record bags and borrowed some of the records, I'm sure he must of heard of some of those tracks being who he is, and mixed them.

you're joking right? you've got to be joking.....you'd actually want to go see one of the biggest djs in the world spin the same hard trance records as the locals who went on before him? when that's not even his style? i mean isn't the point of going to see a big-name DJ to hear what music THEY play, to hope that they're going to drop something that you haven't heard before that totally blows your mind?

maybe you all thought oakenfold sucked, and i wasn't there, so i can't comment, but what do you think he thought of the whole experience when he shows up, the crowd is small, the sound sucks, and the djs on before him are doing a shitty job of getting the crowd ready for him? (not to put down the opening djs skills, i'm sure they're quality djs, but if you're opening for a headliner you should play something that leads in to what they generally play and NOT play harder or faster than them, and if they couldn't spin anything else then twisted should have booked other djs to open, most people are there to see the headliners, so don't try and upstage them).

bottom line is that djs feed off the crowd, and what with the sound issues and the crowd not getting into what he was playing right away he probably just wasn't feeling it.

oh, and what I think sucks is that musically raves once used to be all about experimentation, and now at the big raves it's all about recycled hard trance pablum ALL NIGHT LONG, with a token nod to other forms of music in some broom closet somewhere, courtesy of our friend the marketplace that dictates that in order to make money you've got to play mind-numbingly "safe" music that 15 year old e-tards can wrap their heads around without too much effort......because that's your target demographic...and no matter how many times someone shows that you DON'T necessarily have to have all trance in the main room, we keep sticking to the formula...

aaaah to hell with it!

[kiMMie]

Personally, I think a portion of DJ's job is to entertain the crowd. Whether or not you're spinning breaks, house, trance, whatever... if you're not recogonizing your fans, but instead i.e. yawning, leaning on the monitor with his arms crossed waiting to cue in the next track, grumbling at staff, etc. changes one's perspective on their "favorite" DJ. I would think that would faze the crowd from not "participating" in the party.

I will bow to you no more Mr. Oakenfold. Your professionalism sucks arse

[Veni*C]

^^ werd cece...

DOWN WITH OAKIE!!!!!!!!!

pyhnn was wikked though... plz bring that kid back! :)

[D]

Originally Posted by automatic

you're joking right? you've got to be joking.....you'd actually want to go see one of the biggest djs in the world spin the same hard trance records as the locals who went on before him? when that's not even his style? i mean isn't the point of going to see a big-name DJ to hear what music THEY play, to hope that they're going to drop something that you haven't heard before that totally blows your mind?

maybe you all thought oakenfold sucked, and i wasn't there, so i can't comment, but what do you think he thought of the whole experience when he shows up, the crowd is small, the sound sucks, and the djs on before him are doing a shitty job of getting the crowd ready for him? (not to put down the opening djs skills, i'm sure they're quality djs, but if you're opening for a headliner you should play something that leads in to what they generally play and NOT play harder or faster than them, and if they couldn't spin anything else then twisted should have booked other djs to open, most people are there to see the headliners, so don't try and upstage them).

bottom line is that djs feed off the crowd, and what with the sound issues and the crowd not getting into what he was playing right away he probably just wasn't feeling it.

oh, and what I think sucks is that musically raves once used to be all about experimentation, and now at the big raves it's all about recycled hard trance pablum ALL NIGHT LONG, with a token nod to other forms of music in some broom closet somewhere, courtesy of our friend the marketplace that dictates that in order to make money you've got to play mind-numbingly "safe" music that 15 year old e-tards can wrap their heads around without too much effort......because that's your target demographic...and no matter how many times someone shows that you DON'T necessarily have to have all trance in the main room, we keep sticking to the formula...

aaaah to hell with it!

Great post =)

As far as Oakenfold is concerned, Mateo was right.. his mixing wasn't terrible, thought it wasn't as good as you'd expect from someone who gets paid that much money. His tunes were very average, IMO he played 4 amazing tracks, the rest were easily available and very dated.

heheh oh well =P

[automatic]

Originally Posted by kiMMie

Personally, I think a portion of DJ's job is to entertain the crowd.

so maybe he should have worn a clown outfit and did mime while he was up there? see i guess people just see things differently. for me the purpose of a dj is to play music that makes me want to dance, and if i'm really into it i'll end up closing my eyes, i'm there to HEAR the DJ, not SEE them, unless they're doing some crazy mixing or turntablism...for example, one of the most AMAZING djs in the world is jeff mills, and he won't even LOOK at the crowd all night, he has virtually NO interaction with his audience from what i've heard, yet he's constantly in demand simply for the fact that his skills are recognized as truely amazing......great interview on the second link.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Jeff_Mills
http://www.absorb.org/articles/mills/

unfortunately since he doesn't play "hard bangin' trance" you probably won't see him at a rave soon....

[Jaytimer]

It would be so wicked to see Jeff Mills play here.

[MC Hammered]

Originally Posted by automatic

you're joking right? you've got to be joking.....you'd actually want to go see one of the biggest djs in the world spin the same hard trance records as the locals who went on before him? when that's not even his style? i mean isn't the point of going to see a big-name DJ to hear what music THEY play, to hope that they're going to drop something that you haven't heard before that totally blows your mind?

I was using it as an example in case Oakie didn't happen to bring anything that coupld be spun at above 125bpm.

When I see a DJ the likes of Oakenfold, AvB, PvD, Tiesto, Ferry, etc. I do expect them to spin the newest stuff, the original yet to be released tracks, but Oakenfold didn't do this at all.

maybe you all thought oakenfold sucked, and i wasn't there, so i can't comment, but what do you think he thought of the whole experience when he shows up, the crowd is small, the sound sucks, and the djs on before him are doing a shitty job of getting the crowd ready for him? (not to put down the opening djs skills, i'm sure they're quality djs, but if you're opening for a headliner you should play something that leads in to what they generally play and NOT play harder or faster than them, and if they couldn't spin anything else then twisted should have booked other djs to open, most people are there to see the headliners, so don't try and upstage them).

Tazix did the best he could to tone down the tempo for Oakie, in fact he told me before his set that Oakie's stage manager requested he not spin about 125bpm. I thought that was a bit strange but I'll see what happens.

bottom line is that djs feed off the crowd, and what with the sound issues and the crowd not getting into what he was playing right away he probably just wasn't feeling it.

oh, and what I think sucks is that musically raves once used to be all about experimentation, and now at the big raves it's all about recycled hard trance pablum ALL NIGHT LONG, with a token nod to other forms of music in some broom closet somewhere, courtesy of our friend the marketplace that dictates that in order to make money you've got to play mind-numbingly "safe" music that 15 year old e-tards can wrap their heads around without too much effort......because that's your target demographic...and no matter how many times someone shows that you DON'T necessarily have to have all trance in the main room, we keep sticking to the formula...aaah to hell with it!

Wasn't feeling it? He was probably craked out so much he could have gone through a root canal and not felt anything.

I admit that the cookie cutter setup at certain parties may be a bit tiresome. I would love to see a house headliner in the main room someday! There are some promotion companies that have tried to mix it up with great results. However, with only three companies big enough to throw such large parties we don't get much of a chance to experiment.

[flipmat]

Originally Posted by kiMMie

Personally, I think a portion of DJ's job is to entertain the crowd. Whether or not you're spinning breaks, house, trance, whatever... if you're not recogonizing your fans, but instead i.e. yawning, leaning on the monitor with his arms crossed waiting to cue in the next track, grumbling at staff, etc. changes one's perspective on their "favorite" DJ. I would think that would faze the crowd from not "participating" in the party.

I will bow to you no more Mr. Oakenfold. Your professionalism sucks arse

all i have to say is.... Werd

[MrDFrost]

For me, it's all about small venues now. These large events, just dont fly. Besides i think the people at the smaller venues are much friendlier.

[kiMMie]

Originally Posted by automatic

so maybe he should have worn a clown outfit and did mime while he was up there? see i guess people just see things differently. for me the purpose of a dj is to play music that makes me want to dance, and if i'm really into it i'll end up closing my eyes, i'm there to HEAR the DJ, not SEE them, unless they're doing some crazy mixing or turntablism...for example, one of the most AMAZING djs in the world is jeff mills, and he won't even LOOK at the crowd all night, he has virtually NO interaction with his audience from what i've heard, yet he's constantly in demand simply for the fact that his skills are recognized as truely amazing......great interview on the second link.

http://www.discogs.com/artist/Jeff_Mills
http://www.absorb.org/articles/mills/

unfortunately since he doesn't play "hard bangin' trance" you probably won't see him at a rave soon....

Just a thought... maybe you should read the post in its entirety before making smart remarks about clown suits and what not. I never suggested nor did I imply that. However, I'm sure at least that would have got the crowd's attention during his set. An "entertainer" hold many roles... not just one of a Bozo the Clown.

Entertain:

• syn. - amuse, divert, attract, absorb, bewilder
  def'n - To hold the attention of with something amusing or diverting; To extend hospitality toward; Suggests supplying amusement or diversion by specially prepared or contrived methods <i.e. a magician entertaining children at a party>.

And in reference to your "is to play music that makes me want to dance" comment, I agree... and my original post indicated that Mr. Oakenfold didn't even come close to that for moi that evening.

Btw, I'm sure that every partier that paid their hard earned dollar wouldn't want to waste their time trekking all the way down there to close their eyes during a three hour set.

[bebu*funfun]

sittin at home, can't sleep..why not write a rave review.

tell ya the damn truth, i had a horrible time. i walked in and i was impressed with what i saw, i loved the mainstage set up. something ud see at an teen awards show on tv.. loved the stage interaction with teh crowd (if there was actually a crowd). watched quinn do his thing with teh comps and i thought the visuals were pretty damn cool.. loved the negative overlap of the dj on the actual decks..hard to explain, but if u saw it u know what im talkin about. the set up looked great from upstairs too. but the negativity..like everyone said the sound. and that was in every room. walked in the breaks room and i was having a hard time even standing in the breaks room.. the music echoed so much that it hurt my ears. i was there to see the freestylers and i was just not diggin what they were playing.. they were playing REALLY hard breaks and it just hurt (literally) my ear drums more. wished they played more unfamiliar tracks. oh well, they looked like they were enjoyin themselves and thats all that really counts. ONE highlight was seeing hirshee beat juggle.. that was pretty cool.. never seen anyone juggle house before. then after i think i saw another house dj jugglin again. definately neat. just the whole place gave me a bad bad vibe. ended up walkin around searchin hi and low for a person for an hour.. definately a very very difficult place to find someone. i duno.. odd nite and im not satisfied. kinda funny how a few ravers came up to me and said "that was a fucking pimped flyer and look what we walk into!".. i was speechless. agrodome is definately not a good venue.. thanks to twisted for taking a courageous stab at using the venue and now we are all warned about it.

kat- my friend pat was having a hard time openin her lollipop wrapping.. i asked akeel to open it.. u took it outta his hands and walked away. that was the oddest thing ever.. sillyness.
cody- hi.. i was embarassed and shy..dont ever do that again.
lauren- hope ure leg is alrite =)
myles- all about the karma!
veni- hehe u were so silly stoned.

[automatic]

Originally Posted by kiMMie

Just a thought... maybe you should read the post in its entirety before making smart remarks about clown suits and what not. I never suggested nor did I imply that. However, I'm sure at least that would have got the crowd's attention during his set. An "entertainer" hold many roles... not just one of a Bozo the Clown.

Entertain:

• syn. - amuse, divert, attract, absorb, bewilder
  def'n - To hold the attention of with something amusing or diverting; To extend hospitality toward; Suggests supplying amusement or diversion by specially prepared or contrived methods <i.e. a magician entertaining children at a party>.

And in reference to your "is to play music that makes me want to dance" comment, I agree... and my original post indicated that Mr. Oakenfold didn't even come close to that for moi that evening.

Btw, I'm sure that every partier that paid their hard earned dollar wouldn't want to waste their time trekking all the way down there to close their eyes during a three hour set.

actually i read your whole post, and i don't see how that changes anything, same with your "definition", which if i understand it right i think means you would have been happier if oaky was up on stage sawing women in tights in half "<i.e. a magician entertaining children at a party>"...regardless, all i'm saying is Djs should be judged musically, not based on how high they jump around behind the decks (except for priceless, boy's got mad air time), and from what i hear oakenfoold didn't even make that mark, the point that i'm making is that there are a lot of people who's biggest complaint isn't the music he played or how he played it, it's how just how they perceived him...

and that "whole waste your time closing your eyes during a three hour set" remark just sort of reinforces to me why you just don't seem to get it, if i went and heard a dj and he was playing sick enough that he totally pulled me in with the music and i ended up closing my eyes and just listening to him for three hours with no distraction, i'd consider it money well spent.....

[Veni*C]

Originally Posted by bebu*funfun

veni- hehe u were so silly stoned.

i looooooove pot cupcakes!!! im sooo bringing u one next time!! i was enjoying chrisitians set so much... it was so chill with the cupcake.... haha..

[kiMMie]

Originally Posted by automatic

actually i read your whole post, and i don't see how that changes anything, same with your "definition", which if i understand it right i think means you would have been happier if oaky was up on stage sawing women in tights in half "<i.e. a magician entertaining children at a party>"...regardless, all i'm saying is Djs should be judged musically, not based on how high they jump around behind the decks (except for priceless, boy's got mad air time), and from what i hear oakenfoold didn't even make that mark, the point that i'm making is that there are a lot of people who's biggest complaint isn't the music he played or how he played it, it's how just how they perceived him...

and that "whole waste your time closing your eyes during a three hour set" remark just sort of reinforces to me why you just don't seem to get it, if i went and heard a dj and he was playing sick enough that he totally pulled me in with the music and i ended up closing my eyes and just listening to him for three hours with no distraction, i'd consider it money well spent.....

Like I said... "portion". It would have been nice if he would have attempted to enjoy himself. Maybe if he showed a bit of enthusiasim, gave his fans some recognition that would have helped his set. He's paid to bring a "show" including his music.

What would be the point of people dishing out their dollars to "see" their favorite/famous DJ? The production company could have just played the "Best of Oakenfold" cd and drifted off to la la land, right?

PS... did you even go? :047: < nevermind... you didn't.

[Veni*C]

^^ dont mess wit this woman.


:p

[mithridate]

if we wanted to just listen to him, we can just buy his music and sit at home and listen to it with our eyes closed. i will think that money well spent.
but if we pay 55$ for a ticket to see him spin.. then he better damn well spin and if he's sending out bad vibes, then bad vibes it is.
how can you enjoy something someone is doing for you when they are obviously not enjoying it themselves?

an experience none the less =)

[Veni*C]

^^ excellent point.... i think this is what cece (Kimme was getting at.....)