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[ty:rone]

how is there plur in u if you say spooky 9 will have the real ravers?

[nuf_dawg]

whos the biznatch runnin mouth???? ... this way it gives both companys a challange:)

[Veni*C]

Originally Posted by 4:20

how is there plur in u if you say spooky 9 will have the real ravers?

please quote me where i said "SPOOKY will have real ravers..." thanks.

[e_BoY]

hahaha

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by ~Veni_C~

i think its better this way.... i know where all the real ravers will be.

weren't you here implying that the 'real ravers' will be at spooky?

edit: in response to veni's post above this.

[Veni*C]

well now then... that would be an assumption wouldnt it.

who says i am going to spooky? just cause i am promoting it and i support them...

damn ravers. always assuming ... sorry im not like some people around here that go around bashing other promo companies...

both partys wil be fun. both partys will have alot of people.

stop whining!

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by ~Veni_C~

well now then... that would be an assumption wouldnt it.

who says i am going to spooky? just cause i am promoting it and i support them...

damn ravers. always assuming ... sorry im not like some people around here that go around bashing other promo companies...

both partys wil be fun. both partys will have alot of people.

stop whining!

um...i'm not sure if that was all directed at me, but i wasn't bashing the production companies...i'm not whining...i think the two parties on the same night is a good idea.

sorry for assuming though.

edit: what did you mean when you said you knew where all the real ravers were going to be?

[nuf_dawg]

hmmmmmmm raveesssssss:D

[iluvtechno]

competition is the good thing... just think, what if there were no other stores, but wallmart?

[G-Style]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

this is exactly why TWO shows on the same night is better.

one company doesn't know for sure that all the people are coming to their party so they both have to make their parties really really really good to attract a crowd.

competition will only make both the parties better.

I could not disagree more!!!!!!!!!!!! Think this through for a minute.....What will happen if both parties ticket sales don't reach a profitable target. Guess what you have two shows that will both be lacking because they will be forced to cut back on expenses like Dj's, Sound and Lights, Visuals, VIP rooms so that they will be able to stick around and produce another event another day. Yes there is a chance this could be a good thing but at the end of the day it's walking a very very fine line between success and events lacking the finishing touches. There just isn't a large enough RAVE market right now to sustain two lare scale events in one night. Anyone that can not see that is either blind to where the scene is at or has no real preception on reality. The average massive standing alone on a night can average anywhere from 3 - 4 thousand party goers and on the high end maybe 4,500 but that's when there is no competition for that audience. Again a very dodgy line is being walked and at the end of the day the only people that really lose out are you the audience.

[Veni*C]

Originally Posted by iluvtechno

competition is the good thing... just think, what if there were no other stores, but wallmart?

LOL... that would be scary.

[G-Style]

Before anyone jumps all over me on this my point is not directed towards anyone in particular it's the simple fact that if Doomsnight could draw 4,000 people to the PNE for Halloween it'd be a great party BUT now you have Spooky which will take away at least 1,500 - 2,000 people and then there's several smaller events and club nights which could pull at least 500 - 1,000 people so now you are looking at the PNE with not 4,000 people but with 2,000 or less. It's not against anyone its just taking a look at the number of supporters to the scene and dividing them by the amount of parties and events going on that evening. I find it frustrating because I don't do drugs and my rush is seeing a packed venue with a great show going on and an audience going crazy and having a good time and when you look at a party that's only half or two thirds full it just doesn't have that same feel/vibe to it.
If all 4,000+ people all only go to one event this halloween it'll be a great party but honestly how many of you think that's going to happen. I really don't care at the end of the day who the promoting comapny is that's throwing a massive but if they (the promoters) can't see that they are throwing good parties and not great parties it's a shame.

[Veni*C]

good point!!! ^^^

[Kraig]

Things that make you go hmmmmmmm... well written Gary.

[iluvtechno]

Originally Posted by G-Style

Before anyone jumps all over me on this my point is not directed towards anyone in particular it's the simple fact that if Doomsnight could draw 4,000 people to the PNE for Halloween it'd be a great party BUT now you have Spooky which will take away at least 1,500 - 2,000 people and then there's several smaller events and club nights which could pull at least 500 - 1,000 people so now you are looking at the PNE with not 4,000 people but with 2,000 or less. It's not against anyone its just taking a look at the number of supporters to the scene and dividing them by the amount of parties and events going on that evening. I find it frustrating because I don't do drugs and my rush is seeing a packed venue with a great show going on and an audience going crazy and having a good time and when you look at a party that's only half or two thirds full it just doesn't have that same feel/vibe to it.
If all 4,000+ people all only go to one event this halloween it'll be a great party but honestly how many of you think that's going to happen. I really don't care at the end of the day who the promoting comapny is that's throwing a massive but if they (the promoters) can't see that they are throwing good parties and not great parties it's a shame.

..... are the companies only banking on attracting current people in the scene?

is anyone doing anything to expand their marketing efforts to attract newbies to the parties which would help ease the worry of not having enough people to go around?

[stringbeans]

THE SCENE TOTALLY DOES NOT NEED THIS OK

[Leviathan]

arguably there is some overlap between club goers and party goers but just because a few clubs will sell out @ 500 people does not mean its taking people away from the two parties. They are different demographics with a little overlap.

Originally Posted by G-Style

Before anyone jumps all over me on this my point is not directed towards anyone in particular it's the simple fact that if Doomsnight could draw 4,000 people to the PNE for Halloween it'd be a great party BUT now you have Spooky which will take away at least 1,500 - 2,000 people and then there's several smaller events and club nights which could pull at least 500 - 1,000 people so now you are looking at the PNE with not 4,000 people but with 2,000 or less. It's not against anyone its just taking a look at the number of supporters to the scene and dividing them by the amount of parties and events going on that evening. I find it frustrating because I don't do drugs and my rush is seeing a packed venue with a great show going on and an audience going crazy and having a good time and when you look at a party that's only half or two thirds full it just doesn't have that same feel/vibe to it.
If all 4,000+ people all only go to one event this halloween it'll be a great party but honestly how many of you think that's going to happen. I really don't care at the end of the day who the promoting comapny is that's throwing a massive but if they (the promoters) can't see that they are throwing good parties and not great parties it's a shame.

[G-Style]

No matter how you slice it or dice it your taking an audience of no more than 5000 people and subdividing them throughout a variety of parties on one night. Logic alone makes sense of this.

[Kraig]

^^ Werd.

[omega_image]

yes and no

you cant honestly put up a maximum of 5000 people, just becuase attendance has been lacking over the past yrs.

its just that every party has become so cookie cutter that everyone has been there and done that.

promoters in general need to spice things up again, do something out of the ordinary. theres a reason why agroculture always has an attendance and always has good reviews.

i can say things like this since im not a promoter and its not my money, but take a risk everynow and book new fresh, up and coming, diamond in the rough djs rather than the same top 50 djs that have been here year in and year out.

if things like this were done, and promoters themselves actually talked to the people then things might start turning around.

look at what happened to summerlove, 2001 was the last good one (in van atleast)
2002 tried to go after a sure money maker, and it sucked major ass........there's a reaosn why there hasnt been one in 2 yrs.

get people talking, expand your horizons, worry about the masses rather than just focusing on a msg board with maybe 500-700 people that actually attend parties

enough of my babbling. hope some of that made sense

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by G-Style

Anyone that can not see that is either blind to where the scene is at or has no real preception on reality.

first of all: haha!

second of all: my perception of reality is fine thank you.

i understand where you are coming from, though. we don't have a limitless population of ravers here in vancouver...but i think it's safe to say that Spooky and other Halloween raves are different than other massives during the year. the reason i say this is because it is halloween these raves attract more new people who want to do something new and cool on halloween and also some people that only go to raves or parties on halloween. i know many many people that only attend Spooky every year because it's their halloween tradition, but they don't attend any other raves.

so i can see sort of where you are coming up with those numbers, although they are very much speculation and not fact. like i stated up there, halloween is different than other massives because it draws a much bigger crowd of various groups of people, ravers and non.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by omega_image

its just that every party has become so cookie cutter that everyone has been there and done that.

promoters in general need to spice things up again, do something out of the ordinary. theres a reason why agroculture always has an attendance and always has good reviews.

exactly what i was saying.

there is a reason there are laws against companies having monopolies in certain markets. healthy competition makes things better for the consumer and the competitor. standards are raised and the over-all outcome is a product that is more satisfying for the customer since both companies are trying to make their product more attractive.

[Akeel]

Everyone knows raves are stupid and a waste of time.

We should all go find something more productive to do.

[G-Style]

I respect your comments Omega and I agree with you trying out new things and trying to generate new hype in this market is going to be key to it's rise and success again but currently the fact of the matter is we as a scene are dealing with an audience in Vancouver of about 5000 people give or take a few hundred. In years to come I really do hope that this number more than doubles. Imagine 10,000 people at a party!!!!Oh wait but at the rate things are going and the amount of double up show nights we would be back to square one of having 4 parties instead of two all having 2500 people. The major parties in europe are exactly that because noone competes on a night that someone is having a huge event because for the good of the scene it's good to get the entire or best you can audience in one venue at one time at least once a year for everyone including all the rival promoters to kick back and remember the reasons they got into the scene in the first place. One of the largest parties of last summer in Europe was put on by 26 different promoters all working towards one party and even though I could not attend I heard nothing but stellar reviews from friends in the industry. I believe their final attendance was over 25,000 people. Now if all these companies went up against each other on that night they'd be having 26 shows all with about 1000 people at each. Now which party would you prefer to go to. The one with 25,000 people or one with 1000. In the past Spooky has been that one event where everyone in the Vancouver scene from all promotional groups and almost every raver comes out too and this year that will not be happening which is a shame.

[sidekick]

in addition to my last post, i'd like to clarify that i think halloween is probably the only time that vancouver can support two massives on the same night.