a msg to Solid & Twisted

[Veni*C]

Originally Posted by G-Style

I respect your comments Omega and I agree with you trying out new things and trying to generate new hype in this market is going to be key to it's rise and success again but currently the fact of the matter is we as a scene are dealing with an audience in Vancouver of about 5000 people give or take a few hundred. In years to come I really do hope that this number more than doubles. Imagine 10,000 people at a party!!!!Oh wait but at the rate things are going and the amount of double up show nights we would be back to square one of having 4 parties instead of two all having 2500 people. The major parties in europe are exactly that because noone competes on a night that someone is having a huge event because for the good of the scene it's good to get the entire or best you can audience in one venue at one time at least once a year for everyone including all the rival promoters to kick back and remember the reasons they got into the scene in the first place. One of the largest parties of last summer in Europe was put on by 26 different promoters all working towards one party and even though I could not attend I heard nothing but stellar reviews from friends in the industry. I believe their final attendance was over 25,000 people. Now if all these companies went up against each other on that night they'd be having 26 shows all with about 1000 people at each. Now which party would you prefer to go to. The one with 25,000 people or one with 1000. In the past Spooky has been that one event where everyone in the Vancouver scene from all promotional groups and almost every raver comes out too and this year that will not be happening which is a shame.

werd.

[iluvtechno]

werd to your mamma

[omega_image]

fuck this "werd" shit

anyways, your talking about a completely different market with a completely different population, the reason why so many people attend parties in europe is becuase travelling isnt all that hard, its more like taking the ferry from the island over, rather than catching a plane and waiting 4 hrs

from my p.o.v. twisted and solid are never going to work together ever again, sure its a shame, but theres nothing any of us can really do, that is unless we kidnap them lock them in a room and tell them they arent coming out till they work something out.

vancouver alone may only have 5000 active "ravers", but what was key in the past was bringing people in from other places....the island, calgary, kelowna, seattle etc....

thats how attendance at summerlove was 10,000+ on a year to year basis

honestly i dont need super huge parties, id like it alot more if there were weekly smaller shows that always sold out...

[trance4life]

werd dog

[omega_image]

^r u trying to piss me off or just look cool

[AGROculture]

werd

(I'm just trying to look cool)

I agree with Gary btw
I also think we all should be working togethor not against eachother
That's how the rave scene would work best and that's how the best parties would be thrown and that's how promoters would make the most money!
Everyone wins

Now with people working against eachother it just creates losers. Each party will lose people. And Partiers will lose because they not only miss the other party, if they think both are great but each party will not be at the level it could be if it were a guaranteed sell out.

[trance4life]

Originally Posted by omega_image

^r u trying to piss me off or just look cool

little a little b, but i do agree with lots of the stuff you said

haha =)

[Crazy Dave]

I still don't get it why people are saying it wrong for doom's night... if it's wrong for them to have a party then it's the same rules for Spooky. And don't give me that we where here first shit, because Spooky was not the first Halloween party in the city. Spooky's and Doom's main point is to make money. So no one is right,,, and no one is wrong. It's just business. so stop yer' wine'n people.

Also what's this crap about working together... Why would some one even sugest Spooky the establish party give up a slice of the pie to some big-shot kids? That would be like MacDonald's handing over part of their 99billion served to Arbys. Also if collaboration between promoters did not work 2000-2001 it's not going to work suddenly to day.

Personally the best Halloween party last year was done by the Burning man community of Vancouver/Seattle. Hands down it rocked.

[dapimpstress]

MAD MAD werd... haha

[Leviathan]

I think people have to get over the notion that bigger is always better, its just not true. I like them both, but as long as production companies aren't over ambitious and the venues are sized properly there is no reason why both these parties can't be good, and I don't care what anyone says, nobody wins without choice, don't fuck with my free market.

[Sykonee]

Woid.

(it's the wop in me)

[omega_image]

Originally Posted by AGROculture

werd

(I'm just trying to look cool)

I agree with Gary btw
I also think we all should be working togethor not against eachother
That's how the rave scene would work best and that's how the best parties would be thrown and that's how promoters would make the most money!
Everyone wins

Now with people working against eachother it just creates losers. Each party will lose people. And Partiers will lose because they not only miss the other party, if they think both are great but each party will not be at the level it could be if it were a guaranteed sell out.

i never said they shouldnt work together, i just said its never going to happen. after how things went with grand finale, would you expect them to work together again?

theres too much ego on both side of that scale for anything to work even if the grand finale thing didnt happen. each side would want to be in full control, thus pissing of the other side and pushing them farther apart.

[sweet~kandy]

Originally Posted by ~Veni_C~

i think its better this way.... i know where all the real ravers will be.


hehe.

I agree 100% *thumbs up*

[omega_image]

so should we "assume" that you're talking about spooky?

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by omega_image

so should we "assume" that you're talking about spooky?

she said not too.

but i'm curious, what WERE you talking about here veni?

[AGROculture]

Originally Posted by omega_image

i never said they shouldnt work together, i just said its never going to happen. after how things went with grand finale, would you expect them to work together again?

theres too much ego on both side of that scale for anything to work even if the grand finale thing didnt happen. each side would want to be in full control, thus pissing of the other side and pushing them farther apart.

Of course they'll never work togethor, as in throwing a party. However I do believe that promoters in the city should work togethor on picking dates earlier in the year so they don't overlap. Negotiations could happen. If one company has been doing 2 Holidays, they could comprimise and give up one of them. And Not fight about it. There's lots out there for everybody and if we all learned to share, and have Win/Win situations things will always work better

I agree with Crazy Dave in theory, however there's a lot more to the puzzle which he just doesn't know. I know him pretty well, If he had all the facts I'm sure he'd change his mind on this one.

Competition is healthy. However in a close knit scene like the Vancouver rave scene it would actually be better to work out deals and help eachother out. Of course that's easier said than done and at this point, wishful thinking

[Akeel]

I think all the promoters should fight each other in a no-holds barred grudge match. Battle Royale style.

[ty:rone]

Originally Posted by ~Veni_C~

damn ravers. always assuming ... sorry im not like some people around here that go around bashing other promo companies...!

are u "assuming" i'm a raver?
damn spooky "supporter"...

[khandydav3]

Originally Posted by G-Style

it's the simple fact that if Doomsnight could draw 4,000 people to the PNE for Halloween it'd be a great party BUT now you have Spooky which will take away at least 1,500 - 2,000 people

it's more like, Dooms nite will be taking away from Spooky...not the other way around ;)

[khandydav3]

Go To Both!!!!!! :d