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sidekick · #26 (**permalink**) Sep 30, 04

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Philosophy and Sociology are both crank departments, though.

shuuuudddup.

-ff- · #27 (**permalink**) Sep 30, 04

Seriously!

Philosophy is interesting enough, but there is a real limit to the value of knowing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Sociology takes itself far to seriously. If you plan on pursuing it, you should always remember to take the 'science' in 'social science' with a large, large grain of salt.

sidekick · #28 (**permalink**) Sep 30, 04

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Seriously!

Philosophy is interesting enough, but there is a real limit to the value of knowing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin.

that is such a belittlement of the whole study of philosophy.

philosophy is a really good thing to have on your degree, because it shows that you know how to think critically and logically and also how to argue your points in a persuasive and understandable manner.

that's important in any job.

-ff- · #29 (**permalink**) Sep 30, 04

^
Thats really the point of any arts degree.
If thats the reason you're taking it, I'd suggest you hit up the english department - you will learn the same skills, be exposed to great literature, and have a degree with a lot more applicability.

Plus, there are some very interesting things going on there at the cutting edge of cultural studies and critial theory.

sidekick · #30 (**permalink**) Sep 30, 04

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^
Thats really the point of any arts degree.
If thats the reason you're taking it, I'd suggest you hit up the english department - you will learn the same skills, be exposed to great literature, and have a degree with a lot more applicability.

i'm already taking english 221.

i love reading and i love literature, but i don't find it as interesting to learn in university as philosophy. i can read books on my own and use my philosophical training to interpret different ideas and themes in the book. philosophy also helps me understand the human mind more and how different people think about things. it's interesting to take part in discussions because everyone has their own viewpoint and take on things.

i really love creative writing and i'm finding more and more ways to incorporate philosophy into my writing. not blatanly, but layered in characters and settings and just general storyline.

-ff- · #31 (**permalink**) Sep 30, 04

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i'm already taking english 221.

i love reading and i love literature, but i don't find it as interesting to learn in university as philosophy. i can read books on my own and use my philosophical training to interpret different ideas and themes in the book. philosophy also helps me understand the human mind more and how different people think about things. it's interesting to take part in discussions because everyone has their own viewpoint and take on things.

i really love creative writing and i'm finding more and more ways to incorporate philosophy into my writing. not blatanly, but layered in characters and settings and just general storyline.

I'm not talking about literature, as in analyzing books. I'm talking about cultural studies as the study of the human condition by studying what we produce and how we interpret it. I'm not degrading what you are learning in philosophy, but I'm saying in other departments (english and my own included) are where the deeper questions I think that you are thinking of are also being studied - only with an eye to their practical interactions with the world. Sociology gets so bogged down studying simple data. Philosophy can only ask the ephemeral 'why'. You have practice with one, and theory with the other. Never the twain shall meet. I dont like sociology and philosophy because i think they are impotent - they have no potential to act outside of a university.

In political theory, or the cutting edges of the english department (where english is not actually being studied, but cultural production is) then you begin to see the connections between society and ideas - and particularly how society is producing ideas, how and how these ideas are interpreted. Its fascinating stuff. Moreover, you learn how to equip yourself to navigate these ideas because you start to see their source... This is probably starting to get a little unclear, but I think its something you'll start to sense the longer you are in school. I hope so at least.

Miss T · #32 (**permalink**) Sep 30, 04

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Cry me a river - try 500+ pages of reading/ week, plus at least one 6 page essay due every wednesday.

i meant that as 1 single class. i've got 3 more classes with just as much, if not way more reading.

trust me, we're all in the same boat here. no need to vent on me. :)

sidekick · #33 (**permalink**) Oct 25, 04

mhmm just taking a break from studying and thought i'd add a little more to this thread.

how did everyone's midterms go? do you have any left?

i have one more fairly small psych test this thursday, and then that's it until finals.

cutienikki · #34 (**permalink**) Oct 25, 04

i hate studying its a pain in the ass :( but i gotta do it to pass my classes. I can't wait to start collage its gonna be harder but at least i can focus on one course and just concentrate on that

.anya · #35 (**permalink**) Oct 25, 04

I have a French midterm tomorrow and wednesday, and another (my teacher does two) econ midterm in a few weeks. otherwise, lots of projects and term papers clustered together. /sigh

Sidekick, how is English 221 going? i'm taking it next term, but i'm not too sure of what to expect... also, have you taken PHIL 220?

sidekick · #36 (**permalink**) Oct 25, 04

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Sidekick, how is English 221 going? i'm taking it next term, but i'm not too sure of what to expect... also, have you taken PHIL 220?

i have english 221 next term as well. 9:30-11 tuesdays and thursdays. when do you have it?

i haven't taken 220, but i'm in 230A right now which is a morals and ethics class.

mojo · #37 (**permalink**) Oct 25, 04

first one went alright
next is on thurs, and it will be simple

ps:why am i not studying myself?

.anya · #38 (**permalink**) Oct 25, 04

mine is mondays, wednesdays, and fridays from 1-2.

about philosophy... are you planning to take 220 sometime, since you need in for a major? (hmm but im not sure whether you need it for a minor or not?)

sidekick · #39 (**permalink**) Oct 25, 04

i don't plan on majoring in philosophy.

my plan right now is a major in film and a minor in sociology.

Courtney · #40 (**permalink**) Oct 25, 04

I can't study...

diva · #41 (**permalink**) Oct 25, 04

I've received two A+ papers so far this term.
Things are going pretty well.

Stress level this term: 7/10
I'm expecting it to be back up to its regular 9/10 by January.

thumper · #42 (**permalink**) Oct 26, 04

public education and standards are bullshit. when i went to switzerland it's amazing but so many people will hire you after you've worked as an apprentice and you don't need a degree or anything. it's all about reputation and the good word. totally cuts out the bureaucracy.

sidekick · #43 (**permalink**) Oct 26, 04

^not everyone is going to school for the sole reason that it will help them get a good job.

i'm actually interested in learning.

thumper · #44 (**permalink**) Oct 27, 04

^^ but i would venture to guess the majority are. besides, i think 4 years or so in post secondary of preparation is just way too much trouble if you wanna get hands on work.

sidekick · #45 (**permalink**) Oct 27, 04

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^^ but i would venture to guess the majority are. besides, i think 4 years or so in post secondary of preparation is just way too much trouble if you wanna get hands on work.

i would argue that there are a lot of jobs that people wouldn't be able to do adequately if they didn't go to school for at least a minimum of four years.

ebbomega · #46 (**permalink**) Oct 27, 04

Hah. Studying? Today? Good fucking luck.

thumper · #47 (**permalink**) Oct 27, 04

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i would argue that there are a lot of jobs that people wouldn't be able to do adequately if they didn't go to school for at least a minimum of four years.

but things can get out of hand. when it's only universities and colleges who can decide what "standards" are and have rights to that exclusively, don't you think that can be a bit like a monopoly?

sidekick · #48 (**permalink**) Oct 27, 04

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but things can get out of hand. when it's only universities and colleges who can decide what "standards" are and have rights to that exclusively, don't you think that can be a bit like a monopoly?

i think it can be a mix. more and more jobs require more and more education, and universities want you to stay in school because they make money off of you this way.

you have to look at it from both directions i think, not just blame it all on the university institution.

thumper · #49 (**permalink**) Oct 27, 04

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i think it can be a mix. more and more jobs require more and more education, and universities want you to stay in school because they make money off of you this way.

you have to look at it from both directions i think, not just blame it all on the university institution.

yes we do require education, and i think it can come in many forms. but the bottom line is that the only who should be decide if you're good enough or not is the employer (or customer). As it stands only 200 seats are open to doctors in all of western canada when people could certainly use more doctors and could find alternative therapies useful as well, like naturopathy or herbal or just alternative. at the moment that all has to pass through a government agency to be deemed 'good medicine' and it's only the universities who can decide who’s allowed to practice. It’s a total racket.

junglequeen · #50 (**permalink**) Oct 27, 04

i guess alot of people try studying this way :S