Victoria girl dies from ecstasy?

[Scarface]

Originally Posted by IntakE

hearing things like this will keep kid's from doing drugs.

No it won't. Nothing will stop people from doing drugs. Drugs are fun (at least at first) People generally enjoy fun regardless of the consequences , especially young people that have to deal with poor judgement and peer pressure.

[Clayton.]

My mom said something to me about this when i got home from work, she didn't say it straight up but she sounded like she was worried about me doing bad caps.

[Hot Karl]

Originally Posted by sNyx™

So why is this a bad thing? I say scare the kids shitless, show em pictures of cancerous lungs and call it ecstasy. The Vietnam war, ecstasy. New Orleans, ecstasy. Whatever it takes to scare em!

Look at the facts (however distorted), if that young lady came across this story a month ago maybe she wouldn't' have felt the need to go out and 'party' that evening. Maybe this story will feel some others into thinking twice.

once again you've shown how woefully ignorant you are of everything that is life.

if anything america's war on drugs has taught us, it's this. PROPER information is the way to go. scare tactics and misinformation will do nothing to prevent kids or adults from using and or abusing drugs.

probably more then half of this board has taken an "unidentified" pill at one point of their raving careers. kids die every year at some massive. we all know, and we all hear the stories. that doesn't prevent people from popping pills they got from some dude at the party. or splitting a cap with a buddy's buddy.

kids will try shit, because their kids. that's what they do. but when you EDUCATE them, at least in theory they'll know shit like drink lots of water, don't do multiple caps, don't take pills from someone you don't know, etc etc.

and that's really the most that can be reasonably done.

[FeelGood]

I find it funny that HUNDREDS of thousands of people die every year from alcohol and cigarettes, but nobody gives a flying fuck, but one girl dies from out of the millions who have taken ecstacy, and its a HUGE fuckin deal.

Gotta love the media dont ya.

[Digital Over]

Yeah I heard about this on Global News, first thoughts, that's really sad, but you know; ya get whats comin to ya if you do drugs.....she should have known better.

[Scarface]

Originally Posted by Digital Over

ya get whats comin to ya if you do drugs.....she should have known better.

She was thirteen. Thats a pretty naive age. I doubt she weighed death as one of the consquences when she popped the pill. Most don't , because it always happens to somebody else.

[PsyTrance4Life]

she could've died from overheating or lack of water

or maybe there were rat poision in the pill

[Scarface]

Originally Posted by Etard

or maybe there were rat poision in the pill

Right , becaus the chemist wants all of the people that take the pill to get sick or die....thats always good for bussines!

[Big Bank Hank]

In Amsterdam, u have to be 18 to go to all the big raves, they should do that here too. Will kids still do E? yeah. Will less be introduced to it? yeah. All you promoters stand up and do the right thing. High -school kids can have supervised high school parties or party at home responsibly.

[Kenny]

Originally Posted by Big Bank Hank

In Amsterdam, u have to be 18 to go to all the big raves, they should do that here too. Will kids still do E? yeah. Will less be introduced to it? yeah. All you promoters stand up and do the right thing. High -school kids can have supervised high school parties or party at home responsibly.

Then how would they make money if they didnt let in the 15 year olds.

[decypher]

Does this look like Amsterdam big hank? We don't got that big of numbers.

[Felix]

Originally Posted by WoodStock

...Scare tactics and propoganda to terrorize our youth into never ever doing ecstasy...

Originally Posted by sNyx™

So why is this a bad thing? I say scare the kids shitless, show em pictures of cancerous lungs and call it ecstasy. The Vietnam war, ecstasy. New Orleans, ecstasy. Whatever it takes to scare em!

Look at the facts (however distorted), if that young lady came across this story a month ago maybe she wouldn't' have felt the need to go out and 'party' that evening. Maybe this story will feel some others into thinking twice.

bassically took the words outa my mouth.

Woodstock, I agree with you that proper education is key as well, but if they throw a little scare into it then why not, I got no problems if one of my little sisters or their friends reads an article like this and it makes them not wanna do drugs. Then that way having officer Bob come into the classroom and saying the scientific side effects and what to do while being high wouldn't look like an endorsement to do the drug but more of a warning. Cause I remember when I first started drugs I read up on them ALOT and in most the literature I saw it told me how to keep it safe and what to do if I had a bad trip etc. which made me think that I knew what I was doing and I could handle them. Sure it was my own choice to do the drugs even when I heard the odd horror story, but if a horror story with a spin can stop a few more kids from doing drugs then all the power to the guy that's omitting a few key points

[IntakE]

Originally Posted by Scarface

No it won't. Nothing will stop people from doing drugs. Drugs are fun (at least at first) People generally enjoy fun regardless of the consequences , especially young people that have to deal with poor judgement and peer pressure.

if you would have read what I had posted...it said MAYBE it will keep people from doing drugs.

I agree people are stupid
but when things like this happen it hits home for a lot of people, like me
I have a 14 year old sister almost 15. That could fucking be her. So Im sure other people will take that and it will at least make one other person besides me thing about drugs, and not using them.

[PsyTrance4Life]

scare the little kids off by showing little girls wearing skanky clothes and started snorting coke or meth and pop E at rave... the before & after picture

[IntakE]

Originally Posted by eighty5

I find it funny that HUNDREDS of thousands of people die every year from alcohol and cigarettes, but nobody gives a flying fuck, but one girl dies from out of the millions who have taken ecstacy, and its a HUGE fuckin deal.

Gotta love the media dont ya.

do you not see the drinking driving add's how it's always on the news?
or how the smoking adds with people who have tubes in their throats?
the media does make big deals out of it all it's jsut people are so costom to people drinking and drivign and dying and killing people. How often does a 13 year old girl drink and drive?
think about it.

[Scarface]

Originally Posted by IntakE

if you would have read what I had posted...it said MAYBE it will keep people from doing drugs.

I agree people are stupid
but when things like this happen it hits home for a lot of people, like me
I have a 14 year old sister almost 15. That could fucking be her. So Im sure other people will take that and it will at least make one other person besides me thing about drugs, and not using them.

I did read your post....but if I misquote you , it makes my argument seem stronger. I have a brother who just turned 18 ....i like to believe that my smacking him upside the head and telling my parents he was smoking weed made a difference. But I doubt it. He probably didn't move on to any other drugs because he didn't want to. Sometimes telling people not to do something is the worst thing to do. Especially young people ...it makes it seem like you're trying to hide how fun it is.

[liquidblue]

I think scare tactics have been proven to be preaty shitty way of dealing with things.

Although Id have to say they do work somewhat. The only thing that pisses me off more than anyting else is that there are too many people that will judge someone for trying a cap of E. Why? because all they know is the garbage that the media feeds them about certain drugs. Perosnally I hate having to hide that fact that Iv tried E from half of my friends because I know they will think that Iv done soemthing thats addictive that will destroy my life, and has prolly already made me half mentally retarded. Lame.

On the otherhand i do think that there needs to be some scare tactics used. I know these methods worked reasonably well in the area that I grew up. Without them im sure many more peoepl would ahve used drugs. I just wish the media and governemnt woudl be more honest with the facts of drugs.

For example, if mdma ever becomes approved for clinical use again, I can almost garuntee that we will hear wayyy less about its harmfull effects in the media.

On another note I feel really bad for what happened to the girl, I really think its important that the media covers stories like this. At least they were honest in saying that they really dindt know what the girl took. Im sure what happened in addition to the story will help influence at least some kids to shy away from drugs, or atleast be more carefull about what they are taking. If nothing else it would be great if people educated themselves about the drug before they used it, as well as followed safe practices to help minimise tragedies.

[baby-phat]

Well, there was another article about this in the paper today.
link here --> http://www.canada.com/victoria/times...f-b1d22db79a04

I don't wanna quote the entire article so I'm just pointing out 2 things..
They say she died from "what could have been an overdose of crystal meth". So in other words, they still aren't 100% sure of what she died of. :( But "her family wants people to know this was not an allergic reaction."

[Flip]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

because 13 is so different from 15.

i'm just sad i'll never get to see her in booty shorts at a party in the winter.

:(

Wow you sound just like me!

The fact is, I was drinking and smoking pot occasionally before age 10 and quite regularly by age 13. By 13 I also tried acid and shrooms, and never had a bad trip and got myself hurt. On the other hand, I know plenty of people in thier late teens and twenties who can be violently ill after smoking a dube or popping 1 single cap of clean E. Everyone's system handles different drugs differently, she may have been able to smoke a fat rock of crack and been alright but 1 cap of E did her in. If her friends did the same E and the same amount as she did, then if it was a bad batch, her friends should be in the same boat she is. Everyone must know that doing any drug is a gamble, some with better odds than others, so buyer beware.

As for all those people saying "I wouldn't have sold to a 13 year old", now a days you can't really tell how old someone is, especially teenage girls. Baby-phat is a perfect example, she is in her 20s but she still probably gets carded more often than not. I've also seen tons of chicks who look atleast 18 or 20 but turn out to be 13 or 14. If she's 5'7 with a D-cup and dressed like a slut, I'm sorry but how can you tell? Unless dealers start to ID people, you'll never know how old the person is.

[brokencrayon]

My take on scare tactics: Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, it really depends on the person. It depends how the person views the media; if they think it is always true they probably won't touch drugs anymore or atleast be more careful when they do, then there are people who think everything that the media says is complete BS and will take nothing from an article like that and who knows whether they chose to be careful with drugs or not.

My take on the educating: Once I hit highschool age my parents let me know about certain drugs and drinking and what not, not in a "we are trying to scare you" kind of way, but in a way that let me know if I am ever going to experiment to make sure I atleast know what I am experimenting, what potential consequences could be, and to really weigh out the pros and cons and whether it would really be worth it to try in the grande scheme of things. My dad used to watch a lot of educational shows and sometimes they were about drugs and such, so he would record it and watch it with us later and we would sometimes discuss it after in a casual way.

I still went and experimented a bit but never to an excess, I have always been very cautious but it was still stupid because you never know. There are no more curiosities about drugs for me now though, I am done with experimenting and I am just glad my parents handled the whole drug topic in a way that worked to keep me from over experimenting. I mean if someone is curious they are going to try it regardless so atleast if the parents learn the best way to approach their kids, they can then use that tactic (whether it be scaring them or leveling with them) to educate them and hopefully prevent them from excessive drug experimentation or from ever experimenting at all. (especially when it comes to addictive drugs).

[baby-phat]

Originally Posted by Flip

As for all those people saying "I wouldn't have sold to a 13 year old", now a days you can't really tell how old someone is, especially teenage girls. Baby-phat is a perfect example, she is in her 20s but she still probably gets carded more often than not.

lol. You're right about that one Flippy. I get carded damn near everywhere. And when I get people to guess my age more often than not they guess me as 18, I've even gotten 16 recently. heh

They did show a pic of her in the actual newspaper though, and she looks 13-14. So in this case how could the dealer not know. *shrug*

[ppcock]

goes to show kids are getting dumber and dumber as the years pass.

That'll scare a few people at most.

I also agree with hot karl, i wont see her in bootyshorts during winter raves :(

[WoodStock]

You fool...Where did I say this was a bad thing? You assumed...A foolish act...

MY point is that the media should not hide the WHOLE truth from us...I agree with you, people doing drugs is definitly not the best thing in the world for them physically...I know the risks, and chose to do them myself....

However, it is not the media's place to "scare em!", as you say...Simply giving us all the information for every scenario in which that is possible WOULD lead to better decisions on everyone's part...

Also, if they're being this deceptive about this, the what else?

Originally Posted by sNyx™

So why is this a bad thing? I say scare the kids shitless, show em pictures of cancerous lungs and call it ecstasy. The Vietnam war, ecstasy. New Orleans, ecstasy. Whatever it takes to scare em!

Look at the facts (however distorted), if that young lady came across this story a month ago maybe she wouldn't' have felt the need to go out and 'party' that evening. Maybe this story will feel some others into thinking twice.

I feel for the loss, I hope for the repercussions. Make an example of that dealer, show what could happen to if YOU sell ecstasy.. All in the bottom line is clear, better tactics need to be enforced to scare kids away from ever trying.

[WoodStock]

Mr. Karl...You my friend, are a genious.. I see we share some of the same views and heroes by your HST quote...

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

once again you've shown how woefully ignorant you are of everything that is life.

if anything america's war on drugs has taught us, it's this. PROPER information is the way to go. scare tactics and misinformation will do nothing to prevent kids or adults from using and or abusing drugs.

probably more then half of this board has taken an "unidentified" pill at one point of their raving careers. kids die every year at some massive. we all know, and we all hear the stories. that doesn't prevent people from popping pills they got from some dude at the party. or splitting a cap with a buddy's buddy.

kids will try shit, because their kids. that's what they do. but when you EDUCATE them, at least in theory they'll know shit like drink lots of water, don't do multiple caps, don't take pills from someone you don't know, etc etc.

and that's really the most that can be reasonably done.

[WoodStock]

Originally Posted by IntakE

do you not see the drinking driving add's how it's always on the news?
or how the smoking adds with people who have tubes in their throats?
the media does make big deals out of it all it's jsut people are so costom to people drinking and drivign and dying and killing people. How often does a 13 year old girl drink and drive?
think about it.

That's not why the media ignore deaths from alcohol and tobacco...

The government gets a little something from them both...billions of dollars in tax revenues from the sale of alcohol at bars and liquor stores, and cigarettes wherever they're sold...

If you think about the percentage of people that do E and die from it, I'm sure you'll find that it's a lot less that 25% (which is what I believe the surgeon general is trying to tell us dies from cigarettes), and the countless people that die as a direct result of alcohol...

And, oh yeah, I'm sure there are a fuckin tonn of young people that are involved in drinking and driving (though against their wishes)...And the media pays 1/10000 of the attention to them when one of those poor souls dies with absolutely no say in what happened, now you tell me which is worse.