Fuck you Jack Layton!!!!!!!

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I must admit that I don't really know anything about Politics. However I do find it extremely interesting hearing other ppl talk about it. Not boring at all!

[Cdn_Brdr]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

Yeah, the libs sure have a huge millitary agenda, seeing as how there are so many canadians fighting in iraq right now.

Maybe you're mixing up the libs with the conservative alliance?

I realize that Myra.... yeah it's twisted but I'm not confused.

Erik has a strong support for military but was involved with the Liberals trying to get them to open up their eyes to the military agenda.

Does that make sense?

[decypher]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

forcing a country who doesn't want to go to an election to vote is not necessarily a good idea, and will unlikely dramatically reshape things in parlaiment.


good job layton! getting this election to happen because of your own dirty political games is going to cost millions of dollars that will never go near healthcare! braaavo!

Probably won't be as big of a turnout either.

[sidekick]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

good job layton! getting this election to happen because of your own dirty political games is going to cost millions of dollars that will never go near healthcare! braaavo!

every politician plays dirty games. martin and his government certainly had a fair share of their own dirty political games back in the spring when they were desperatly doing everything they could to keep in power.

you can't criticize layton by saying an election he caused is going to cost millions that will never go near healthcare...when it's going to happen anyway in a few months even if they don't call it now. either way an election is going to take place in the next little while. the time is better now for an election in the oppositions eyes anyway since it's closer to the gomery report. it makes sense from their position.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by tct69

meh, i know i should care about politics but they suck, money hungry bastards

look man, ill tell you one thing, im probably the most money hungry person youll ever meet in real life or on the internet, and ill tell you one thing, i have nothing on politicians...i actually have ethics and a conscious.


all im concerned is, the ndp are some punk bitches with good intentions but lack a clue( i could never vote for a person who as a lawyer occupied social housing thus depriving the more needy when he had all the advantages he had. no matter how much i like the guy as a person, it shows that hes a bigger asshole then everyone else) the pc's wouldve been cool if alberta social conservative mother fuckers werent running that bitch. and the bq well those foo's dont even have people running in BC. so i gotta go with the liberals...i personally like who paul martin is and what he stands for, if it wasnt for this minority government i bet he could do alot better.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

every politician plays dirty games. martin and his government certainly had a fair share of their own dirty political games back in the spring when they were desperatly doing everything they could to keep in power.

you can't criticize layton by saying an election he caused is going to cost millions that will never go near healthcare...when it's going to happen anyway in a few months even if they don't call it now. either way an election is going to take place in the next little while. the time is better now for an election in the oppositions eyes anyway since it's closer to the gomery report. it makes sense from their position.

yeah but you can blame him for blindly supporting unions like the heu and the overpaid unskilled workers they represent which essentially rob our healthcare system of money, money that is better used for capital expenditures. Instead of educating doctors/nurses(and paying them well) and buying equiptment like mris, that money went towards paying the janitor 18-22 dollars a hour with benefits.

its funny how he blindly refuses any more privatization of healthcare, despite the fact that all of the european social democracies(which all lefties want to emulate) have far better healthcare systems then us (with universal access) also have private/public systems. Could that be because the major supporters of his party (organized labour) know that they would face a lost in monopoly power over the healthcare system(and thus union dues) if it is made more efficient and accountibile through private/public partnerships?

p.s but i guess its ok for him to point to the diaster which is the united states healthcare system and say thats what we get if we allow privatization despite the fact that almost every other developed country in the world has a better health care system then canada with a significant amount of privatization and yet they provide quality universal access....this whole fear about our healthcare system is simply going to be the death of it, the supreme court has already said that we cannot limit privatization. Its best to do it now in a measured fashion instead of burying our head in the sand as the NDP ideologues propose or else we actually will end up with a system like that to the south of us.

[sidekick]

^hehe. i never said anything about the NDP's take on healthcare. i was just talking about blaming layton for an election.

i like the NDP, i'll admit that. but this whole scaring everyone away from a private/public healthcare system is stupid. i agree with you completely. i think there is a way that it can work. as long as the private system doesn't detract from the public system then i don't see a problem. if you can pay for surgery then sure, you should be allowed to go and get it done at a private clinic...as long as that doesn't mean someone using the public system is going to have to wait longer.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

^hehe. i never said anything about the NDP's take on healthcare. i was just talking about blaming layton for an election.

i like the NDP, i'll admit that. but this whole scaring everyone away from a private/public healthcare system is stupid. i agree with you completely. i think there is a way that it can work. as long as the private system doesn't detract from the public system then i don't see a problem. if you can pay for surgery then sure, you should be allowed to go and get it done at a private clinic...as long as that doesn't mean someone using the public system is going to have to wait longer.

yeha i kind of just went on a rant...sorry

[miss.myra]

I think if you want to get a country to agree with your stance on how healthcare ought to be in canada, then maybe find a better time to wave it in front of the government's face, mr layton pending his support only if the government supports his irrelevant issue is just wrong. That is holding a country where the majority don't want to vote hostage.

Does he realize that he is speeding up a process that will inevitably bring Lipstick Robot McHarper closer to power? I wonder if that terrifies him. Scares the shit out of me.

[Cdn_Brdr]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

yeah but you can blame him for blindly supporting unions like the heu and the overpaid unskilled workers they represent which essentially rob our healthcare system of money, money that is better used for capital expenditures. Instead of educating doctors/nurses(and paying them well) and buying equiptment like mris, that money went towards paying the janitor 18-22 dollars a hour with benefits.

It's kind of tough for me to remain unbiased on this statment seeing as how I'm an HEU employee myself. Granted I'm not a union supporter so much as someone who is stuck being part of one.

As for being overpaid, while I can't vouch for others, I can certainly say that I'm hardly overpaid for my work. I routinely work over my 8hr day and never charge for OT. It's just something you do to get things done and on top of that the chances of getting the OT approved are next to zero. They're much tightter with their budget than you might think.

A blanket statement of all HEU employees is just as 'blind' as this support Layton has for unions. When you get right down to it my job is very directly related to patient care in this province and whether you realize it or not so is the janitor's. It's a system that needs to run in sync with a lot of different jobs/positions. That's not to say a janitor should make $22 an hour but regardless the job is important in it's own way.

I spend a crap load of healthcare money, that's my job, and I can assure you A LOT OF MONEY goes into healthcare and to a lot of the right places too.

In all fairness I'd say that you should avoid making these 'blind' blanket statements without really knowing what goes on behind the scenes. Well, whatever, you're a smart guy Sean, that I know, so you can figure all that out on your own. :)

[~*tct*~]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

yeha i kind of just went on a rant...sorry

apparently :111:

[dr0pdeadfred]

fuck you b0ld

[Cdn_Brdr]

Originally Posted by ch0dab0y

fuck you b0ld

Way to contribute something meaningful cumstain

[dr0pdeadfred]

ok hows this

fuck you george bush