Shame on you Canada

[Digital Over]

Probably one of the reasons why I DID NOT vote. In the past I have been a liberal suporter, but I felt that this time around, the party wasn't simply deserving of my vote. I'm not going to say much about my political views since they can be a tad unorthodox, but nonetheless, I felt that I was not going to isssue my vote as a vote of pity or just becuase. Lets face it, us as canadians say we live in a domocracy, so, promote it genuinely, w/ respect for other peoples contribution. In the end, everyone has been motivated to speak out with positive intententions

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by Skitzo_Style

GO HARPER! TURN THIS COUNTRY AROUND FROM THE CRAP HEAP THAT THE LIBERALS CREATED!!!!

Yeah, I can't wait till we round up all the gays and shoot them into space too. Conservative gay hating is way cool. :|

[miss.myra]

yeah clearly the gays have turned the country into a crap heap, and the colureds! GO HARPER!

[Asheai]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

yeah clearly the gays have turned the country into a crap heap, and the colureds! GO HARPER!

lol, i'd be careful with sarcasm... you never know who might misinterpret it... :)

[Vitamin-X]

On a slightly seperate note;

I think that not voting is actually a form of voting.
The political parties keep close tabs on voter turnout and when it's low
they may come to the conclusion that none of the current parties and their policies are offering what a lot of people want.

[Digital Over]

^ You know, I was really hoping that someone would post this. Thanks for posting that. That was sort of my reasoning too. I felt that I was exercising my right to civil assertive views, the right to not disclose a reason/explanation/view/etc. As the US Constitution says, in this case, the right to the remain silent. =)

[Mangle]

^^^ George Carlin say if you vote and the people you elect turn out to be bastards, you have no right to complain. You are the reason they got in. Meanwhile, since I (George Carlin) never even left my house on Election day and therefore have nothing to do with the mess you created, have all the rights in the complaining world. Deal with it.

[Asheai]

Originally Posted by Vitamin-X

On a slightly seperate note;

I think that not voting is actually a form of voting.
The political parties keep close tabs on voter turnout and when it's low
they may come to the conclusion that none of the current parties and their policies are offering what a lot of people want.

but this doesnt really work, because whether or not people vote the people in power are going to stay in power. It doesnt matter to them, they still get to run the country (into the ground, if this is the case) and you have just let them do it idly. true, every party has it downsides, but if you really dislike all the major parties then vote for one of the smaller ones that you like the most. NO party is going to be 100% perfect, because PEOPLE aren't 100% perfect. I think you all need to quit bitching and just take what you got - which in reality is pretty freaking good compared to some other places in the world!

[dave mcnasty]

Originally Posted by Mangle

^^^ George Carlin say if you vote and the people you elect turn out to be bastards, you have no right to complain. You are the reason they got in. Meanwhile, since I (George Carlin) never even left my house on Election day and therefore have nothing to do with the mess you created, have all the rights in the complaining world. Deal with it.

Sorry but George Carlin is a comedian....he doesn't know a fuckin thing

If you didn't vote you have NO right to complain. Period. You chose to sit on your ass and therefore didn't do a fuckin thing to stop those "bastards" from being elected.

Originally Posted by Digital Over

You know, I was really hoping that someone would post this. Thanks for posting that. That was sort of my reasoning too. I felt that I was exercising my right to civil assertive views, the right to not disclose a reason/explanation/view/etc. As the US Constitution says, in this case, the right to the remain silent.

Originally Posted by Vitamin-X

On a slightly seperate note;

I think that not voting is actually a form of voting.
The political parties keep close tabs on voter turnout and when it's low
they may come to the conclusion that none of the current parties and their policies are offering what a lot of people want.

What the fuck? What kind of justification is this for not voting? Why don't we all just stay at home and keep our mouths shut and they "may" come to the conclusion that they need to make changes. Because politicians really give a fuck about the small percentage of lazy people who chose not to excercise their rights.

Everyone who didn't vote....either admit you fucked up....or keep your mouth shut.

[Vitamin-X]

^
Well last I heard only 60% of registered voters actually bothered to show up and vote. So yeah, I do think they care about gaining the support of the
apathetic masses.

And whether or not you voted, you can and should offer complaints (or even better: suggestions) so the government can do a better job.
For ages countries were ruled by Royal/Noble oligarchies, and even then their leaders could "feel" out the will of their subjects.

As for fucking up; Seems to me that regardless of what you wanted,the people of Canada elected who they wanted, and elected them in the strength they wished.

[sidekick]

^it was 64% and governments are always looking for ways to turn around voter apathy. most of the time it's not people protesting, but just not having the time to vote or not caring enough.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by McNasty

Sorry but George Carlin is a comedian....he doesn't know a fuckin thing
If you didn't vote you have NO right to complain. Period. You chose to sit on your ass and therefore didn't do a fuckin thing to stop those "bastards" from being elected.

Yeah, so don't listen to comedians or any other form of artist whose job it is to spot these things. Jon Stewart is just trying to brainwash us!!!! You, sir, have never listened to Bill Hicks. (What if, if you didn't choose to sit on your ass, you wanted to vote Conservative and help those "bastards" get in? What does that make you? You can't blame a man for a murder because he didn't drive across town to try to stop it. I care enough to vote but I can't blame those who don't. That's why it's called freedom. I mean, most elections I've been involved in, there wasn't a single candidate worth voting for. I just voted for a party. It's your right to choose none of the above.)

[dave mcnasty]

Sure you can't blame a man for murder if he didnt drive across town to stop it....but you can place some kind of blame on him if he knew it was going to happen

Did you know the elections were happening?

[Skitzo_Style]

Originally Posted by Mangle

Yeah, I can't wait till we round up all the gays and shoot them into space too. Conservative gay hating is way cool. :|

YEAH! THANKS FOR PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH! cause anybody that knows me knows i voted conservative to oppress gays!

cause every person that voted conservative is a faggott hating, pro iraqi war, pro bush extremist that only cares about those things and nothing else!!!!

either way, my guy made it in, yours did not. so ha ha ha ha ha LOSER!

LA-HUE......... SA-HER!!!!!!!

[Skitzo_Style]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

yeah clearly the gays have turned the country into a crap heap, and the colureds! GO HARPER!

GO HARPER INDEED!!! who ever said the gays turned this counrty into a crap heap? when did i say that, or even imply that? if the liberals were gay then yeah they would be partialy responsible, but only because of their party, not their sexual orientation. lets get that clear.

[miss.myra]

And the cons. are clearly not going to turn the country into a crap heap being george w's bitch? come on.

oh, and not to mention your guy has a minority gov't in place, so gooooood luck getting any of his policies to really appease the left wing libs/ndp and goooood luck on getting any support from the bloc.

[prozac]

Originally Posted by Sykonee

Um... Australia has a pretty conservative government going right now (more so that ours), yet folks still think of the Aussies as free-spirited Outback rangers talking like Paul Hogan.

Yuck. Try living here. Australia that is. Fable, you want to talk about surpressing indigenous peoples?! Just becuase people *think* of them as free-spirited doesn't mean thats what its like. The John Howard government has been in power for a long time and people are really really unhappy with it. I have seen mostly innefficient red tape and corporate scandals since I've been here...not to mention a system which victimizes the working class and keeps aboriginals in slums and on welfare.

Right now he seems to be in trouble for bribing (or more precisely being aware of bribing) Saddam/Iraq in the UN oil-for-food scandal.

I think you were implying that there was something good about australia's government? They are total George Bush lapdogs...just like Harper's government is going to be. Not fun...

To the person who said this is going to make us a target...i fully agree. With the state of the world right now the last thing we need to do is align ourselves with Bush.

I've said it before...haper's priorities are waaaaaay out of line. We have people dying on surgery waiting lists becuase there's not enough healthcare funding...schools don't have proper supplies and class sizes are growing because of lack of education funding...and yet he wants to spend more on the military. Does this man have a conscience?

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by Skitzo_Style

YEAH! THANKS FOR PUTTING WORDS INTO MY MOUTH! cause anybody that knows me knows i voted conservative to oppress gays!

You're welcome. I had to push some of the sh*t out of the way to get them in there but it was worth it. Whether you personally wanted to oppress gays or not, you voted in people who want to invalidate the charter freedoms based on Religious morality, rights that are supposed to be given to all Canadian equally and without preference. Congrads, phobe.

Originally Posted by Skitzo_Style

either way, my guy made it in, yours did not. so ha ha ha ha ha LOSER!

My guy did make it in: Libby Davies, NDP MP and gay (or at least bi) as hell. Face!

[Jingles]

Originally Posted by revolver

sooooo uber lame how when i ask people around my age at work if they voted i hear shit like

"voted for what?"

"didnt want to"

"couldnt make it"

"forgot"

"nah..there all crooks anyways"

"whats the point....my vote dosent count"

"i dont need to vote....dosent really affect me"


...really pisses me off when i hear things like this from other young adults.

=(
It's so awfully true -
for me, working as a teacher, nearly alll my peers went out to vote, bbut as a student teacher...many of them did not for thos ereasons stated
adn you know what, now that they are full fledged teachers they bitch about a system they never even voted against!

[Skitzo_Style]

Originally Posted by Mangle

You're welcome. I had to push some of the sh*t out of the way to get them in there but it was worth it. Whether you personally wanted to oppress gays or not, you voted in people who want to invalidate the charter freedoms based on Religious morality, rights that are supposed to be given to all Canadian equally and without preference. Congrads, phobe.

so what? i'm for less GST. so if that makes me a gay basher in the eyes of others, i reeealy don't give a shit.

Originally Posted by Mangle

My guy did make it in: Libby Davies, NDP MP and gay (or at least bi) as hell. Face!

congrads then. my mp didn't make it in, so i will give credit when it is deserved. good thing for me the guy i voted for in the federal election is running the country come monday, SUCKA!!!

[cinist]

Originally Posted by Skitzo_Style

i voted conservative, but my mp didn't make it into parlament, some dumb ass liberal mp made it in instead. none the less, i am happy as hell with the way the election went!

GO HARPER! TURN THIS COUNTRY AROUND FROM THE CRAP HEAP THAT THE LIBERALS CREATED!!!!

wow andrew i'm suprised. something tells me your fathers influence and eriks words helped you make your decision. if you only knew.

an example of why an uninformed voter is worse than a non voter

[Skitzo_Style]

Originally Posted by cinist

wow andrew i'm suprised. something tells me your fathers influence and eriks words helped you make your decision. if you only knew.

an example of why an uninformed voter is worse than a non voter

so what you are saying is that only certain people should be able to vote? or that we must meet a criteria in order to vote, even though we are citizens? that doesn't sound much like democracy to me.....

everyone is complaining that not enough canadians are not contributing their voices in who runs their country, yet when people like me, an "uninformed voter" as you so put, opens up and does vote (this was my first time voting by the way), you try to justify my decision based on ignorance and external influences.

so what you guys want is more people to vote, but only if they do not have external influences from others? they have to make the desicion by having an untainted souce that does not reflect others opinions? only bare facts? good fucking luck making that available to every person eligible in canada to vote.

in the end, it seems that voting doesn't voicing your opinion, more i crerates a form of stereotype that people seem to label you as the party you voted for. anyone who knows me, especially you shannon, knows i don't hate on homosexuals. i have many friends who are gay, yet when i do vote, suddenly i'm a fucking gay bashing peice of shit. hmm, interesting......

either way, i'm for less gst, something that should have been eliminated or severly reduced after world war II, better internship and aperenticeship programs for people my age, and i am happy to see that the conservative have a plan to take better care of our senior citizens. on the other hand, i am not for increasing our military involvment in outside issues(which in my oppinion is complete fuckin' bullshit), opressing gays, or having a partnership with george bush.

be that as it may, it was about certain things outweighting others that made me vote the way i did. so if ya wanna call me a war hungry, gay bashing, pro-ameriacan "uninformed" citizen, go right the fuck ahead. i just thought the better of you knew me better than that.

[miss.myra]

Less GST only benefits wealthier Canadians because they are the only people who can afford to spend a lot to notice the difference a whole percentage would make.

I'm more for a cut to income taxes because cuts to GST only put a focus on spending and not saving money- a good government should always try to do the latter.

Also, even some of the most conservative minded economists in this country know that an immediate cut to GST is something that is not financially viable for the county because the c.a. has never clearly stated where they are going to make up for those cuts because for this country's social structure to survive, we can't afford such a drastic loss of revenue.


anyways, good luck having that GST cut bill pass in a minority government because I know the grits, ndp and bloc would not support that.

[decypher]

^^Ditto, people are definately going to see a difference on their pay checks.

I'm interested to see how Harper's vision of "open federalism" will affect our country by further decentralizing it.

Harper was apart of something called the "firewall letter." Just the word firewall suggests an aversion for unity. It was basically a letter to Premier Ralph Klein of Alberta suggesting a private police force among other policies that give more provincial level control.

With this type of track record i wonder what Harper will do to this country now that he is in power and what concessions he will make to the BQ. Together the Conservatives and the BQ hold the only balance of power in the current parliament.

[fable]

Originally Posted by decypher

^^Ditto, people are definately going to see a difference on their pay checks.

I'm interested to see how Harper's vision of "open federalism" will affect our country by further decentralizing it.

Harper was apart of something called the "firewall letter." Just the word firewall suggests an aversion for unity. It was basically a letter to Premier Ralph Klein of Alberta suggesting a private police force among other policies that give more provincial level control.

With this type of track record i wonder what Harper will do to this country now that he is in power and what concessions he will make to the BQ. Together the Conservatives and the BQ hold the only balance of power in the current parliament.

I almost believe in some backwards way, that decentralization of government, almost sets up a positive environment for unity amongst the citizenry. But i also fear in the light of this, there may be an outpouring of nationalism which i personally is detremental to achieving long term goals in respect to an increased representation of said citizenry.