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Then why are you blaming rap when we both can agree it clearly has nothing to do with the incident being posted about?
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and yeah the 'pizza box' analogy is obvioulsy extreme for a reason. thought you would pick up on that. guess not. i should of used those ridiculous ugg boots that were popular for a bit...but dont evan get me started on those!!
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the increase in violence amongst youth is a direct result of the lifestyle and viloent imagry that is conveyd through RAP. now obviously you have to dissascoiciate hip hop as a art form from this but..........*to be contiunued,im at my work computer* ok cont.... well...back in the 60's when the beatles were singing about love and peace you didnt really encounter youth voilence as you do today. a direct result of music. yeah yeah you all can say video games,movies ,tv all you want but everyone worth their salt KNOWS! that music is the most powerful of all mediums because it has a deeper afect on the sub concious then visual stimuli ...same can be said for norweigan death metal. lol id like to go further but im at work and its kinda awkward for me to post. Last edited by Revolver; May 08, 06 at 01:02 PM.
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to the blame it on rap folks....
so what you guys are tying to say is that gun violence is something new? or gangster/thug activity is new? Because it would have to be farely new considering gangster rap has only been around since the 90s. thugs, and petty criminals like the one at richards the other night have been around for ages. The only difference now is that the music industry openly makes music for criminals . But even that isnt an entirely new thing since there were artists like Johnny Cash doin a similar thing ( and i say similar, because i dont think cash was doin that just to make money like gangster/club hip hop). bottom line is. if the person is a big enough loser to shoot someone period, i doubt it matters what they got playin on their ipod Last edited by -evil-duerr-; May 08, 06 at 01:11 PM.
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We could also blame drum'n'bass!
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Roadrunner Cartoons told me it was alright to kill roadrunners with acme weapons and trickery.
So I did, fuckin roadrunner. lets see you "meep meep" now
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you really have no idea what you're talking about do you? To pull such a ludicrous example out of your ass with absolutley no proof coupled with some specious reasoning is just beyond ridiculous. "THERE WAS NO YOUTH VIOLENCE IN THE 60s! THE BEATLES TOLD ME SO!!!!"
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it's naive in the extreme to think that there wouldn't be gun violence without the influence of gangter rap. There's all kinds of influences in our society that breed a violent, criminal mentality. Gangster rap attracts people with that gang mentality because it speaks to them. Obviously if you get a bunch of gangsta types in one place drinking & partying, the chance of a violent outburst increases dramatically... but that would be the same no matter what they were listening to. In short, the music is a byproduct of the violence, not the other way around.
besides, most actual gang members i've encountered in this city don't fit the african-american, gangsta rap-listening streotype.
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what i said is that youth violence is more prevelent and alot more viloent then what it has been in the past and the popularity of rap has alot to do with it. do any of you get the fact that i am using RAP as an exapmle and NOT hip hop. uggh...how many times do i have to say it. Over all rap conveys negitive attidues and violence and due to its immense influence on todays youth has caused a trickel down affect to alot of its listeners. you all think that i solely blame RAP for all viloence?...shake your heads cause im not. and if you read back my posts you will see thats not what i said. my UNWAVERING point is that RAP is, overall, a negitive form of music and helps to promote materialism and voilence. hip hop is another case all together. im stricly refering to the gangsta top 40 thug shit a la 50 cent and the like. and the sterotypical demographic it attracts. whats so hard to understand about that. If you dissagree with that, thats fine...but dont be acting like i badmouthed your mom or anything. know what i mean?
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If you take 2 teens put them in 2 seperate rooms, have one listen to classical and one listen to straight off the streets off muthafuckin' compton.
Which one is gonna be more prone to violence ? I'm not saying gangsta rap invented violence. I'm saying it fucking quadruples it's occurence. No one can try and deny that gangsta rap molds kids brains so they turn into lil' og henny low wannabe gangsta fucks. Do we really want to pull out some statistics on gang violence in Oklahoma compared to south central ? Seriously a fuckin' dead argument here. Gangsta Rap is fucking shit.
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Well while were at it.
lets blame reggae for habitual marijuana addiction lets blame heavy metal for the death of dime bag darrel lets blame judas priest for that kid commiting suicide lets blame jazz for old heroin addicts lets blame elvis presley for teenagers having sex lets blame sir mixalot for men liking big butts without the ability to lie about it yall see where im goin wit this? people were gonna do all this shit anyways. so they found the right musical accompaniment along the way. dont blame the musicians. Last edited by -evil-duerr-; May 08, 06 at 06:34 PM.
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You can't just single out one sub-genre of music and declare as the "main" cause of youth violence just because you think it does it. People like Tipper Gore, the PTC, Jack Thompson and various others have long tried to make music or TV or videogames the scapegoat of violent acts and have *never* once produced a single shred of proof other than "I think this is the cause so it must be true" - much like you're doing with "Rap music." Sure, most mainstream thug-rap is detestable and glorifies violence, misogony, and materialism, and i don't doubt that there's correlation for the people who already have that mentality but what you're trying to claim is causation which is bullshit - not a single reputable study has proven that media influence directly results in violence. There are so many contributing factors that could lead to the rise in violence over the years and many of those run far deeper than "Rap music" - or media in any form.
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