People Who Bring Weapons Into Night Clubs

[impure]

isn't this similar for marilyn manson being lamed for columbine?

[Jingles]

Originally Posted by Revolver

uggh...how many times do i have to say it. Over all rap conveys negitive attidues and violence and due to its immense influence on todays youth has caused a trickel down affect to alot of its listeners.

So does heavy metal - anyone remember the Regan administrations beef with metal and Satan?
And video games - anyone played any of those that involve guns, smoking and rape?
And so does t.v - anyone know of any shows that mix sex and violence?
So do movies and so on....

and all of these mediums, rap included provide messages about the after shocks of this 'lifestyle'
The prevelance of gang culture is not merely about music, but all violence has a soundtrack and for the moment some would say that soundtrack is rap -- but correlation does not equal causation. The majority of images in society have more to do with sex than gun violence, so are we seeing that reflected in society also?
Of course we are! WE are partially products of our media environment, but I am also a product of my upbringing, my personal value systems and personal choices
I choose to propogate peace and listen to Easy E, and that is not a paradox.

[miss.myra]

^ You're awesome. YOU MADE MY SIG QUOTE. I know you must be gushing at that! :P

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

If you take 2 teens put them in 2 seperate rooms, have one listen to classical and one listen to straight off the streets off muthafuckin' compton.

Which one is gonna be more prone to violence ?

I'm not saying gangsta rap invented violence.

I'm saying it fucking quadruples it's occurence.

No one can try and deny that gangsta rap molds kids brains so they turn into lil' og henny low wannabe gangsta fucks.

Do we really want to pull out some statistics on gang violence in Oklahoma compared to south central ?

Seriously a fuckin' dead argument here.

Gangsta Rap is fucking shit.

exactly

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Jingles

So does heavy metal - anyone remember the Regan administrations beef with metal and Satan?
.

did you catch my honorable mention of norwegian death metal?

[prozac]

Blake and John, I usually agree with you guys, but not this time.

It's ignorant and stupid to blame art in any form for society's problems. Art merely reflects what is already there, and feelings that people already have. Perhaps some violent people are more drawn to violent music. That's only natural.

Personally I'm with Jingles. I listen to gangsta rap and I'm not a violent criminal. There are millions of people on this planet that are the same way. Just cus a few idiots decide to hurt eachother...you can't blame that on music.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

How can you claim to be an expert of what a genre of music creates, embodies and causes if you don't even listen to it?

makes no sense to me.

who?....me?.

-if it was then....

no where did i claim to be an expert.

and of course ive listend to RAP! dont be silly,....how eles would i draw my conclusions. contrary to what seems to be the prevelent opinion, im NOT talking out of my ass here.

youd think id go on about this without properly thinking about it and refelcting back on my listening,and in some cases vewing, experience?

dont be so quick to lump me into the *write-off* catagory

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by prozac

Blake and John, I usually agree with you guys, but not this time.

It's ignorant and stupid to blame art in any form for society's problems. Art merely reflects what is already there, and feelings that people already have. Perhaps some violent people are more drawn to violent music. That's only natural.

Personally I'm with Jingles. I listen to gangsta rap and I'm not a violent criminal. There are millions of people on this planet that are the same way. Just cus a few idiots decide to hurt eachother...you can't blame that on music.

ART !?

Sorry Gangsta Rap is fucking mind numbing garbage, not art.

Like I said do we really need to start pulling out some statistics here ?

When's the last time a Country singer was gunned down ?

Not all media is as violent as G.Rap.

Video games aren't real kids know this, but Snoop Dogg is real isn't he, so's 50 Cent, he's as real as it gets mothafucka you tryin to test me bitch !?

M0vies/Video Games/TV are not real and kids know this.

50 Cents gun is pretty fuckin real, Suge Knights guns pretty fuckin real too.

So when a kid sees john wayne on tv shootin people its tv.

But when it's a REAL LIFE RAPPER GETTIN SHOT it's fuckin real isn't it.

In short G.Rap is pure unfiltered violence and it's real.

Vice City isn't and kids know the difference.

[Lenny]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

ART !?

When's the last time a Country singer was gunned down ?

when's the last time a country singer lived in compton?

[impure]

Originally Posted by (LJF)

when's the last time a country singer lived in compton?

i was thinking something along those lines.

but then i bet country singers LOOOOOOOVE to hunt wingless quail-tarts....
these things don't happen by accident you know

[craz_e_blossom]

I don't blame this at all on the music....I think it is the mad amounts of meth people are doing and starting to sell and stuff like that....A scientist actually did a study on meth and has predicted that in 20 years our world will be over taken with drugs and violence...Well look it is already happening...

Sad but true!

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by craz_e_blossom

I don't blame this at all on the music....I think it is the mad amounts of meth people are doing and starting to sell and stuff like that....A scientist actually did a study on meth and has predicted that in 20 years our world will be over taken with drugs and violence...Well look it is already happening...

Sad but true!

whoa....do you have a link to that scientist thats pretty interesting.

[craz_e_blossom]

I actually don't....I read it in the province a couple months back I believe...If I can find something I shall post it up in here...

[dj_soo]

im NOT talking out of my ass here.

youd think id go on about this without properly thinking about it and refelcting back on my listening,and in some cases vewing, experience?

this is your biggest problem and why you are so transparently talking out of your ass.

You take your own personal experience and automatically apply it as a generalization.

I could tell you that the moon is made of cheese because i've "properly thought about it" and have seen things through my own personal experience but that doesn't make it true.

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

ART !?

Sorry Gangsta Rap is fucking mind numbing garbage, not art.

Like I said do we really need to start pulling out some statistics here ?

When's the last time a Country singer was gunned down ?

Not all media is as violent as G.Rap.

Video games aren't real kids know this, but Snoop Dogg is real isn't he, so's 50 Cent, he's as real as it gets mothafucka you tryin to test me bitch !?

M0vies/Video Games/TV are not real and kids know this.

50 Cents gun is pretty fuckin real, Suge Knights guns pretty fuckin real too.

So when a kid sees john wayne on tv shootin people its tv.

But when it's a REAL LIFE RAPPER GETTIN SHOT it's fuckin real isn't it.

In short G.Rap is pure unfiltered violence and it's real.

Vice City isn't and kids know the difference.

Gangsta Rap was originally one of the most influential parts african american culture in that it was one of the first media/artistic mediums that truly display to the masses the warzone-like life of lower socio-economic classes in America. It was one of the first widespread artistic expressions to show that the "american dream" is not as rosey as the government would have you believe and that there are some pretty dire and dangerous living situations that the predominantly black ghettos were dealing with.

It's not until the corporate bigwigs began taking notice of the commercial success of NWA (one of the first records to go gold with absolutely no radio play) that they started pushing the gangsta "image" as a viable marketing commodity.

[Goat]

Personally I'm with Jingles. I listen to gangsta rap and I'm not a violent criminal. There are millions of people on this planet that are the same way. Just cus a few idiots decide to hurt eachother...you can't blame that on music.

That's it though, it's not just "a few idiots who decide to hurt each other". If you're a developing mind out in the world listening to some choons, hearing from 20 000 "artists" it's acceptable to bust a cap in someones ass, seeing fake drive bys in music videos, and reading about real drive bys in the newspaper, are you or are you not going to, on some level, accept that shooting someone who wrongs you is a suitable action/reaction?

On the same but slightly dfferent note. It's not the genre per say, that's to blame but the people and corporations which encourage and facilitate a "gangster rap" image which is in no way or functional, let alone ethical or constructive to positive morals in todays society, to become a marketable commodity.

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by (LJF)

when's the last time a country singer lived in compton?

We don't know because the Gangsters shot them all! lol

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

this is your biggest problem and why you are so transparently talking out of your ass.

You take your own personal experience and automatically apply it as a generalization.

I could tell you that the moon is made of cheese because i've "properly thought about it" and have seen things through my own personal experience but that doesn't make it true.

then substitute 'personal experience' to 'outside observation' wich is the same thing i meant just different wording.

look, ive used a pizza box hat analogy and your using the 'moon is made of cheese

lets break it down.and ill make it reeealy simple.

-I think RAP is,overall, a negative from of music wich glorifies violence and influences alot,not all, of its listeners to act and emulate the way in wich RAP stars Convey their lifestyle.

-you think im talking out of my ass and dont know shit.

lets just leave it at that cuase im not budgeing one fucking inch from my point and neither are you.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Revolver

yo balis if you going to give me neg karma for my comment tell me why?

so why?

RAP breeds this type of shit.its an agressive over testosteroned form of music laced with negative imagery. OBVIOUOSLY not concious hip hop but the jiggy thug shit they play in the clubs.

am i wrong?....wait, no, im not.

but good karma to you anyways.

Hey! You posted on clubvibes too!

It doesn`t happen at house nights beacuse there aren`t 10000 want to be black white kids that have glocks and are from surrey running around.

Plain and simple. I used to defend hop hop but lets all be real. It IS the music that causes this crap.

There is a world of difference between communicating an observation related to how top40/mainstream craphop nightlies seem to attract an overly negetively agressive crowd and saying that a genre of music breeds said behaviour.

Your comment smacks of one that would come from a stereotypical image of a 50 year old white women living in the hamptons, not a young man whos well travelled and apperently intelligent and interested in the metaphysical.

Your comments about the genre are specific to what you know of said genre, which in turn communicates that you dont know much. For every thuggish ruggish gangsta anthem, theres a nausiating hippyhop mc hammer dancey crapathon. And somewhere in all this crap, lies another world of simply awesome hiphop that is not violent, nor contrived or generic.

[fable]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

ART !?

Sorry Gangsta Rap is fucking mind numbing garbage, not art.

Like I said do we really need to start pulling out some statistics here ?

When's the last time a Country singer was gunned down ?

Not all media is as violent as G.Rap.

Video games aren't real kids know this, but Snoop Dogg is real isn't he, so's 50 Cent, he's as real as it gets mothafucka you tryin to test me bitch !?

M0vies/Video Games/TV are not real and kids know this.

50 Cents gun is pretty fuckin real, Suge Knights guns pretty fuckin real too.

So when a kid sees john wayne on tv shootin people its tv.

But when it's a REAL LIFE RAPPER GETTIN SHOT it's fuckin real isn't it.

In short G.Rap is pure unfiltered violence and it's real.

Vice City isn't and kids know the difference.

Man, are you drunk? Music does not produce consistent violent behaviour simply by being listened to recreationally as it does not produce or induce environmental conditions long enough to adversley effect someone. Any deviations from this are purely coincidental or miscontstrued.

It would seem more likely that increased violence is a product of an ever increasing state of war, apathy, poverty and "allowable" corruption under the guise of capitalism. Add an ever increasing desensitized population that ever increasingly is looking for distraction of any kind, and you have a pretty potent formula.

I would think that young'uns are more negetively effected by random acts of "docile violence" such as prejudice, apathy, and callousness.

Id say abusing homeless people, and not having "sympathy" for specific contingents of people would have more impact than clips of some fat rapper with a gat.

[B-POPPIN]

the homeless in downtown are growing larger and more aggressive, and i know that when i give them a buck or two im part of the problem. but i would rather him ask me for some change then steel my car. but to the f**kers that steel cars and smash windows for some crack money, u r lower then dirt, u don't deserve to get a penny of my hard worked cash so they can get a fat welfare check every few week. then having crack head babies who will follow in his parents footsteps ..... sorry i just had to let it out

[impure]

that should be it's own thread^^
but on that topic, when i was at sanctuary with a friend on sunday, some homeless dude came right up to my friends face and asked for change. i flat out said no, but my friend checked for change.
when my friend obviously had no change, the man asked for $20. we just looked in shock at him and said NO. so he's started trying to BARGIN with us, saying if we had $10 he had $5 for change blah blah blah. we kept saying NO.
so he started yelling at my friend saying "you're not checking! check your pockets!" like he was half trying to rob us.
FUCK MAN, i was so close to yelling at him and calling the bouncers over when he just turned and hustled away.


i wonder if we brought back the $1 and $2 bill if there'd be less homeless people. because they ask for change and bills aren't technically change IMO. they'd be half put out of business. or go one step further, get rid of anything smaller than $.25 and make a bill for that too.
hahaha
i wonder if that would get rid of those people who just sit there and ask for change?
i'm only ranting about this because of that guy and because some of the punk kids i saw washing windows on davie and burrard were also inside sanctuary that night getting drunk.

[mojo]

i blame the west african slave trade

[Goat]

and the french, fuck them too.

[fable]

Originally Posted by B-POPPIN

the homeless in downtown are growing larger and more aggressive, and i know that when i give them a buck or two im part of the problem. but i would rather him ask me for some change then steel my car. but to the f**kers that steel cars and smash windows for some crack money, u r lower then dirt, u don't deserve to get a penny of my hard worked cash so they can get a fat welfare check every few week. then having crack head babies who will follow in his parents footsteps ..... sorry i just had to let it out

No, giving them a buck or two isn’t part of the problem. The connection of the problem with the growing trend of homelessness, addiction and aggressiveness and you, is far more deep seeded and expansive. It has to do with capitalism, fear mongering, social program cuts in the mental health/addictions regions of healthcare, housing, poverty in an overall sense, increased attacks on poor/working people, consistent oppression of the most marginalized of peoples including Aboriginal peoples, women, immigrants and students and the illigitemacy of mainstream media.

Ones perchance for rampant consumerism is more a problem than giving a buck or two of which is only a problem because it’s a band-aid, uber-temporary solution. Development/gentrification is a result of demand for more resources, more product and more empty materialism by a population who have disposable income. And it is in these avenues where we will have to do work for long-lasting improvement. Congruently we have to come together so as to take more direct action against corrupt business and governmental policy.

The growing distrust, apathy, cynicism and all out hostility amongst regular people (who fail to see the similarities in parallel struggle) is an organized, strategized, divisionary and synthetic climate. This climate is foreign in that it is fostered, and cultivated by business, mainstream media and government to further isolate, and hyper individualize people as a means of preventing people to come together and form fledgling movements for social justice.