*Hope all you f&k members will come out to support CRANK IT UP!

[RAVE CRITIC]

now now.....

lets just end this thread and move on with our lives and once again good luck gurls

OMEGA end this thread yo~

[*addy*]

age is not a state of mind. age is a pretty accurate rough indicator of cumulitive life experiences and maturity level. 16 year olds should be passing out due to shit mixes of hard alcohol and having regrettable sex with thier peers. 16 year olds should not undertake things that could put them thousands of dollars in debt with djs/gangs out to bootfuck them.

16 year olds should be doing homework, or at least procrastinating about it, they should not be put in charge of hundreds of drug users in a confined space.
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I disagree. I know 16 year olds who act and think like 25 year olds and 25 year olds who think and act like little pre-pubescent boys.
You generalize 16 year olds as raging alcoholics and sex feins, and are what... condoning it? Suggesting that 16 year olds should be participating in such activites opposed to perhaps doing something productive, organizing a production, to hopefully make a little cash on the side, or even just gain experience, good or bad.
You can't assume that because they are throwing a party, they aren't doing their homework.
How much charge is really taken to take care of these drug users? It's the same protocal for all parties, those "stingent" drug searches are performed, and that's it. Doesn't matter how new or old of a production company you are, you take the responsibility of the people, but obviously the "no drugs" rule is not strongly enforced. Regardless of the fact that 16 year olds are running the party, I am sure there won't be a difference compared to a more experienced company running it, (in this particular area that is.)

that is all.

[rawb]

Originally posted by *addy*
I disagree. I know 16 year olds who act and think like 25 year olds and 25 year olds who think and act like little pre-pubescent boys.

super. there of course is no set 'maturity level' for everyone. everyone progresses at thier own pace through life. however, there is a question of life experiences. do you know why a lot of 25 year olds act immature? becaus ethey were so busy being grown up as a kid they missed out on actually *being* 16.

You generalize 16 year olds as raging alcoholics and sex feins,

i never generalized anyone as doing anything, but common experiences of a 16 year old is getting fucking drunk at house parties and losing your virginity, therefore i suggested them as a contrast to common things that happen to promoters, like being bootfucked by gangs.

and are what... condoning it? Suggesting that 16 year olds should be participating in such activites opposed to perhaps doing something productive, organizing a production, to hopefully make a little cash on the side, or even just gain experience, good or bad.

i guess. you gotta lose it sometimes. 16 is in the prime of your get crazy life, where your finally mobile but dont have the responsibility of age. going out and being crazy is healthy, when else in your life can you do it and still be socially acceptable?

16 is not the age to be playing with thousands of dollars of your investors money (WHO THE FUCK PUT MONEY IN THESE KIDS?), and then being responsible for thousands of dollars of ticket payers money.

fuck, raves hardly ever make you money. rave throwing is hardly something i would let my friends, let alone my little sister do. large sums of money requires mature financial workings knowledge and excellent bookkeeping skills. negotiating contracts requires a knowledge of bartering and legal issues. working with your partners either requires total, complete, like a family member trust, or total complete honesty.

when you're 16 you can't get a credit card and usually cant open a bank account. you cant sign a rave contract because you aren't allowed to enter into a legal agreement since you are not officially an adult.

and i know when i was 16 the girls in my grade were pretty catty whenever a boy or money got between them.

You can't assume that because they are throwing a party, they aren't doing their homework.

yes i can! watch me!

i have a full time job and when my crew is throwing something the last month is absolutely crazy. sometimes time is even taken off work. you should see oddmud's sick time around when he throws a party, you'd think he got the plauge. there is no physically possible way that you can do school full time while taking care or your homework, doing 16 year old things, *and* throwing a rave party. i dont care if there is 20 of them.

How much charge is really taken to take care of these drug users?

a lot.

seraching, checkpoints if you have them, making decorations, transporting them with the sound, setting up.

the party begins, making sur eno one sneaks in. getting asked coinstantly: 'uh i left something in my car' or 'can i go throw my jacket back in my truck?' or 'can i go outside and smoke' or 'why are tickets 35? i only got 20 man... cut me a deal' or 'fuck, im flyering for grooverobber, he says im on the list... im not? come on man.. look at all these flyers' or 'oh shit my friend eli just started shaking and his eyes are all white OH MY GOD HE'S GOING TO DIE'

all of these have happened to me at a party i ahve worked at, each one at least once a night. it's *constant*.

you also have to look over your security to make sure they are doing thier job, have first aid people, make sure you have front door people you can TRUST. the list goes on and on.

Regardless of the fact that 16 year olds are running the party, I am sure there won't be a difference compared to a more experienced company running it, (in this particular area that is.)

a world of difference between a company throwing its first show and a company throwing its second. you wouldnt believe it.

r.

[wickedhousep]

Hey gurlz...

Dont take all this crap you're getting personally. These boards are ALL overfilled lately with bitter ravers who arent ravers anymore. The PLURs all been sucked out of them.

Like Werdyboy sayz, you're going to make enemies here and there. Promoting isn't all about fun and popularity. I'm sure he can personally attest since he's one of the bunch that flames the hell out of us (Wickedhouseparty) on all the boards. And we throw parties for a quarter of what you're gonna charge with some hi-quality out of towners!

Anyways, I know you're party is going to go off if you do it right. We threw "Wickedhouseparty: Girls" downtown last March and the girl theme really took off. We sold out in 45 minutes to overcapacity and had to lock the doors. People even climbed the fence after we locked it down and when they were busted on the other side paid us the $5.00 to stay. Someone got jumped for their ticket after we sold-out - luckily he was one of the DJs boyfriends so we knew he was for real.

If you need any help go ahead and ask anyone on the Wickedhouseparty team... With the guys on you're lineup it's likely you wont need to, cuz they know more about it than we do.

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Stand tall, girls... You're in for a rough ride.
If you fail, know that you tried.
Because the partykids these days often frown
Because the city let them ALL down
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[ƒORM]

This is a tricky subject. I can see how many people have so many different views on this issue. Originally, if my eyes perceive things correctly, this thread started out as an innocent promotional piece. It now appears to have evolved into a full fledge debate. I’m going to offer my opinion on this and hopefully shed some light on the current situation.

I think each and every one of us has a “do you remember when?” story pertaining to the rave scene. If I think back for a second I can remember the old parties and how Vancouver slowly became a rave-friendly city. I can also remember raves when they were spaced apart (not one every weekend) and when you had to explain to a friend what a rave was. It took awhile for this city to develop and during its course it has seen the birth and death of dozens, if not hundreds, of production companies. From a DJ and semi-retired partygoer’s perspective, I can honestly say things have changed in this city since I first started attending them. I think one of the main issues today is people are sick and tired of seeing all these new companies appear out of nowhere. It seems like everyone wants to throw a party these days. Some companies do it for pure satisfaction and others do it for pure profit. Throwing parties is not a bad thing considering the market in Vancouver is still strong. I don’t condone any new companies starting up and from my perspective it could mean more bookings.

Here are some reasons why people might feel so negative about new companies and the scene in general.

*These reasons don’t necessarily reflect my own personal opinions

• Disasters & Mishaps
• The promoter promises that the event is a must see and then the event flops.
• Tickets are sold for the party and then the party is cancelled.
• The infamous make-up party that is a complete waste of time.
• The famous counterfeit scheme (despite the technology that exists to prevent it).
• The party starts and is going smooth until RCMP comes in and shuts it down because the promoter skipped the permit process.
• The in-party fire alarm drills.
• The famous, “headliner couldn’t make it” routine.
• The mystery location that turns out to be "RIVERSIDE".
• The rise of a production company that is doing very well until one of its main organizers is shot dead (unrelated to the party).

I think you all see where I am going with this. There are tons of reasons I have left out on purpose because I feel this thread will get out of hand. There have been so many mishaps saturated with lies and upsets that have caused people to look at the scene in a whole different way. People then go to ask, “what's happening to the scene?” well, if those reasons aren’t good enough then what reasons are? I also didn’t mention the entire drug aspect and abusive behavior it can cause. Many angles have been left out including the RCMP and stories that some of the dj’s might have in regards to getting paid, bumped or even being the given wrong directions to a party.
Now on a positive note since many of you might think I’m ready to jump on the “I hate Raves Greyhound” it’s still the main focus of a lot of my energy. I think one has to be very forgiving in order to sustain a sincere relationship with the current scene. I’ve had my share of mishaps and am not in a position to throw in the towel. I’m more of a last minute type of person when it comes to parties and I seldom get hyped about parties. Now if you mention the word Ibiza or the UK you might see my eyes glimmer. You’ll have to excuse my use of the word “scene” as I haven’t been able to think up a better word to describe it.

A few words to the "Crank-It-Girls" production team.
I wish you the very best with your party and I hope you put on a good show.
I’m sure you’ve found out through recent promoting that some people think you won’t succeed but I’m also sure you have quite a few people that know you’ll succeed. So keep your head ups, it’s just a party, and things don’t go as planned, learn from your mistakes.
There are, however, some interesting things to think about in the posts above so, soak some of them in to gain some insight as to what might be on some peoples minds these days.

~fORM

[kiMMie]

Very nicely said Lex... :D:

I wish you girls the best as well. Since this is a very male-dominated industry in Vancouver, I encourage you girls to work hard and make something of yourselves, your company, and your parties. But like Form mentioned, it is tough!

Realistically, there are a lot of promoters that have been around for a long time, and they frown on new small companies that have started up with only the intention to make profit, and only profit. They don't care about the DJs, the vibe, and most of all the people. This is in no regards to your new production team :) I hope you gals realize some of the mistakes that have been made in the past with other production companies and learn from them, that's all. Be aware of what's going on around you...

Lastly, the *age* thing... I don't want to agree, but I don't want to disagree either. You have to be impartial about this subject. Being 16, and trying to start a new company would normally attracted a lot negative attention from the public because a lot of people believe that 16 is not a *life-experienced* age...as you can see from the above posts :( But you girls have to realize and should have been prepared for that type of feedback from people.

I close with *Good Luck* and I hope everything goes well for you girls :Kimmie:

[Erica]

*cough*car rally*cough*

Erica :AZN:

[wickedhousep]

Kimmie:

Found your comments interesting. But I have a question:

You mention that older promotion companies frown on new promotion companies doing things strictly for-profit. What would your take on the negative "anti-Wickedhouseparty" bashers?

We're totally nonprofit and the initial counter-reaction to our philosophy is something that I still do not completely understand. I like the way you describe things and wouldn't mind hearing YOUR viewpoint on the matter.

peacout

[rawb]

Originally posted by wickedhousep
What would your take on the negative "anti-Wickedhouseparty" bashers?

can you ever, or have you ever, posted any post in any section in reply to any topic that doesn't talk about wickedhouseparty, thier parties, thier djs, thier prices, or thier radio show?

perhaps people are just sick of getting a commercial every time they read a thread.

r.

[MC Hammered]

Originally posted by kiMMie


Lastly, the *age* thing... I don't want to agree, but I don't want to disagree either. You have to be impartial about this subject. Being 16, and trying to start a new company would normally attracted a lot negative attention from the public because a lot of people believe that 16 is not a *life-experienced* age...as you can see from the above posts :( But you girls have to realize and should have been prepared for that type of feedback from people.

Being 16 or 60, it doesn't make much of a difference to me for the term 'life-experienced'.

I think someone that had to work for everything they attained and is 20 is much more 'life-experienced' than a 40 year old that has been pampered and granted every wish.

I wish the girls all the luck in the world with their venture. I started my first company when I was 22 and people said I was stupid.

I think they were just jealous of my ambition.

Chase your dream girls and don't let anyone stand in your way. Life is too short to look back and regret things you could have done.

[kiMMie]

Yeah... I got the same negative bullshit when I started mine when I was 20... So I know how you girls feel :Kimmie:

[Alvibe]

hope this party goes off! these girls are working mighty hard to put this show on! you got my support for sure...oneLOVE n i'm out... peace!

[wickedhousep]

werdyboy: I am very clear on your opinion already, but what you stated above was much more constructive. However, I was looking for Kimmie's opinion.

[baby_trance]

:170: Thanks everyone for all the input, we feel that everyone has their own opinion and we totally respect that.
Those who left us a positive message, we can't thank you enough
To those who wrote other wise we still appreciate your suggestions and we'll take your thoughts into consideration

I know some of you have stereotypical views about how age can affect a promoter's abilities but I truly hope that this will not blind you of all the hardwork, research, and thought that has been put into this party. We also understand that first parties---profit?? slim chance, we're glad to even just break even, cause the quality of this party is more important to us than a few bucks.
If I ever thought that i'd become freakin rich than I wouldn't be working my ass off at my job :183: I mean..hello...donuts..? lol

anyways, that's all I have to say right now, I'll let you guys decide for yourselves
peace~
Luv Connie

[*baby*nat*]

Is it true that this party is prosponed?!??
till..Oct 12th was it?
I dunno
but yes baby_trance can you please reply with some info.
mucho appreciation.

[baby_trance]

Yes the party has been confirmed to be moved to
OCTOBER 12TH,2001.
and NO, the party in it self will not change in the content, setup, and things promised!!
We personally can not make it to the show on October 5th, that is why we have to postpone it one week.
Hope all of you can still come check it out and we apologize for any inconveniences causeD to you out there.
~Hope to see all of ya~

[ƒORM]

strengthens my argument (posted above) about why ppl may be tired of the scene...I'm sure it's not your fault but it fits into the typical mishap category...

Hope this doesn't dent the success.... :)

[kiMMie]

Originally posted by baby_trance
We personally can not make it to the show on October 5th, that is why we have to postpone it one week.

Ooooh... I don't know if that was the *best* thing to say in a situation of postponement. Do you?

I'm sure you girls have an excellent reason for not making it, but you never hype the crowd and then *book* something on the same day and not be able to make it to your *own* show. From a ticketholder's POV, that doesn't seem very responsible... does it? :047: Just think about people who have booked days off work or have dumped other plans just to come to your show, right?

I don't know... just my two cents on that one post. No negative feelings about it :Kimmie:

[baby_trance]

Kimmie yea you're totally right girl, that is exactly the point why i stated it. If i didn't i'm sure all of you out there will think that the reason for postponing is because "something's going wrong with the party"...that is not it. We would not have set the date on October 5th before, if we knew we couldn't make it that night. Obviously if you think about it, something must have came up AFTER we released the date.

We know that by postponing we would be losing a lot of people because we know they Do have jobs, Do have other plans..etc.
Now knowing that, do you think that we would postpone if we didn't have to??

Crunk-it apologizes for the inconvenience caused to you out there. Like we said, everyone has their own opinion, the above is our side of the story. :293:

[D]

*shakes head*

[*baby*nat*]

see you on the 12th then. WOO!

[bob]

hey it's kinda dope that they moved the party back a week... cuz i was just about to sell my ticket cuz of the car rally on the 5th... now i can go to both... heehehe...

[powerpuffys*]

Baby Trance- Babe I contacted all the dj's for you and they said they can still spin On October the 12th, their not busy.

Toodles

[kiMMie]

Aren't there just *four* members of CrunkItUp Productions??? :047:

[omega_image]

um.....yeah.......dont u think a production company can do their own dj callin?
-adam