How much are you worth per hour?

[Alex]

not illegal... sales

[Grapes]

Well, all my requests for clarification have certainly been addressed.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Alex

not illegal... sales

so you're like an Avon lady or something?

[Alex]

sure.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Alex

sure.

well you sure keen to brag about making $300/hour but not willing to tell us how...

[Grapes]

He SAID, sales, weren't you listening???

[Alex]

I don't make 300 every hour. some hours I make nothing. I go by averages. A slow week I might make 50/hour for time worked. A good week 300/hour.

I'm in direct cold call sales. What do I gain by giving you specifics?

[esoter1c]

Telemarketer by day, douchebag by night.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Alex

I don't make 300 every hour. some hours I make nothing. I go by averages. A slow week I might make 50/hour for time worked. A good week 300/hour.

I'm in direct cold call sales. What do I gain by giving you specifics?

lottery sales??????

[Alex]

no and no. not telemarketing and not lottery. Doesn't really matter what I sell, does it? I've sold a lot of products and ideas for various companies. Tangible, intangible... their are differences but the basic skills remain the same.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Alex

no and no. not telemarketing and not lottery. Doesn't really matter what I sell, does it? I've sold a lot of products and ideas for various companies. Tangible, intangible... their are differences but the basic skills remain the same.

so your a cold caller eh?....thats a tough racket. but im going to call bullshit.

you dont LISTEN and adapt to anything that people say on this forum.

you,as a sales god, should know what the number one rule in sales is...above all else.

[Alex]

^ Why do you think I post on this forum? Do you think I want everyone's praise or admiration? If I wanted to post on a forum where others agreed with me it sure as hell wouldn't be here.

you made a huge mistake in your assessment. you assumed I want people on this forum to agree with me.

BTW Yes, I am a cold caller, I have been in various forms for 5 years. I've also trained countless others to cold call, which was my sole job(no cold calling myself) for a good 2 and a half of the years.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Alex

^ Why do you think I post on this forum? Do you think I want everyone's praise or admiration? If I wanted to post on a forum where others agreed with me it sure as hell wouldn't be here.

you made a huge mistake in your assessment. you assumed I want people on this forum to agree with me.

BTW Yes, I am a cold caller, I have been in various forms for 5 years. I've also trained countless others to cold call, which was my sole job(no cold calling myself) for a good 2 and a half of the years.

your a trainer huh? ...lol why? were your numbers slipping?

where did i say ANYTHING about peoples praise or admiration?.

my post had NOTHING TO DO with that.

if you would of read/listend to my post and turned off your narrow,skewd veiw then you would of got that loud and clear.

apply that to your sales technique skippy then you wouldnt be a trainer anymore.

WHAT KIND OF A FUCKING SALESGUY WOULD WANT TO TRAIN/mng. INSTEAD OF SELL?...

a weak salesguy thats who...lol

[Alex]

I was promoted at the peak of my selling? you're kidding right? You realize I make over rids off of every person I train. Meaning I do less work, more reliable and make more money... Do you have any concept of how sales companies work?

[Alex]

And my point was I post here for the fact that everyone gets upset/angered and strongly disagrees with what i say. That is the reason I post her other than some where else. Why would I 'adapt' to others on this sites view points, or attempt to persuade in a different fashion? The way I'm approaching it gets the responses I am aiming for so why would I change?

If you;re trying to claim you know about sales you should know this; Never assume you know what an individual wants or desires. What may be the world to one, might be insignificant to another. What could make the deal with one, could break with another.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by Alex

I was promoted at the peak of my selling? you're kidding right? You realize I make over rids off of every person I train. Meaning I do less work, more reliable and make more money... Do you have any concept of how sales companies work?

not to mention the fact that I AM selling again. But not for the low commission I was years ago, but for the highest commission scale offered to management. meaning I've trained reliable reps who are self sufficient collect over rides for doing little to no work.. and make over double off my own sales than I did before. You're right though, moving up to a management position was a bad idea, motivated by 'slipping numbers and being a poor seller'.

[KrisisID]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

i just work for smiles

mcdonals?

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Alex

And my point was I post here for the fact that everyone gets upset/angered and strongly disagrees with what i say. That is the reason I post her other than some where else. Why would I 'adapt' to others on this sites view points, or attempt to persuade in a different fashion? The way I'm approaching it gets the responses I am aiming for so why would I change?

If you;re trying to claim you know about sales you should know this; Never assume you know what an individual wants or desires. What may be the world to one, might be insignificant to another. What could make the deal with one, could break with another.

as far as a poster gose your a knob. the whole 'i post here to get a rise out of people' is lame and akin to f*r*a. why put out and create that type of energy?...oh thats right,you enjoy it.,gross.

Originally Posted by Alex

Why would I 'adapt' to others on this sites view points, or attempt to persuade in a different fashion

LOL...alex your too easy man.

selling is the art of listening and persuasion.

im curious,i wont ask wich company cause thats in bad taste, but what types of products and services do you sell?

[Alex]

^like I said I've sold various. i've worked sales jobs where their was no attempt to close until the 7th or 8th convo, i've worked other types where a sale could be made in 30 seconds.

I don't want to go in to what I do on this site. Like I said revolver, I'm not really trying to sell my ideas to anyone. I'm simply stating them on this site, and I state them here for the fact that few agree with my statements. Honestly I have nothing to gain from persuading anyone to think as I do. I do get a bit of a kick reading how worked up some get. Not like it's a hobby, it's inspired out of boredom. Yes, boredom. No, that doesn't mean I have nothing to do in my life, it simply might mean I have a bit of free time here and there. Like tonight, I worked all day... my girlfriend is working all night, and I work again in the morning. As dull as posting on this site is, it beats most television.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Alex

^like I said I've sold various. i've worked sales jobs where their was no attempt to close until the 7th or 8th convo, i've worked other types where a sale could be made in 30 seconds.

I don't want to go in to what I do on this site. .

LOL!!!!!!

allright thats fine. but now im just left assuming that your a hack that sells like magazine subscritions or vacation pkgs or some other greasy operation that would let some kid like you run a sales team

but that 7th 8th convo close sounded pretty interesting....i bet those are tough sits.

[Alex]

^ believe it or not the 'greasy operations' that pay purely on commission are by far the highest paying if you are good.

a friend of mine sells high end vaccuums door to door. he made~12 grand a couple weeks ago in a 6 day week.

the one job I had where it was 7 or 8th convo before closing to get several thousand dollar/month accounts was by far the lowest paying sales job I have ever had. It might have been the most 'socially respectable' but in terms of quality of other reps in the business it was a joke(all but a few were pathetic) and the money potential was low.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by Alex

^ believe it or not the 'greasy operations' that pay purely on commission are by far the highest paying if you are good.

a friend of mine sells high end vaccuums door to door. he made~12 grand a couple weeks ago in a 6 day week.

the one job I had where it was 7 or 8th convo before closing to get several thousand dollar/month accounts was by far the lowest paying sales job I have ever had. It might have been the most 'socially respectable' but in terms of quality of other reps in the business it was a joke(all but a few were pathetic) and the money potential was low.

i worked on pure commish for 4 solid years. no base,no hourly. i dont close i dont make money. i didnt mind it though. made me sharp and i have numrous awards and prizes/free stuff from it all...

loved it and lived it...

im sure you know its a black and white game and figures dont lie,and liers dont figure.

[RochesterSS]

Originally Posted by FireWire

I don't think it's right for us to decide how much we THINK we're worth - but it's up to others to decide that based on our performance...

The fukk kind of bitch ass mentality is that?

Originally Posted by Alex

What? Ride their coat tails? Uhhh, I'm the one training them to do what they do. I'm their teacher. I choose to teach those who want to learn, and have aspirations. I teach my skills to naturals, and to some who are slow learners, but I have 1 rule; attitude and desire. If someone has that, regardless if they aren't the brightest person in the world, I can help them be successful. I've fired a lot of very smart people who could have been really successful at what I do, simply because they didn't have the desire.

Originally Posted by Alex

Are you mentally disabled? I teach a skill. A very valuable skill. Very few people on this planet are self taught.

Sorry, but if your trying to call your self a "teacher"and claiming to only teach those who are dedicated enough to teach them selfs... you dont deserve to be making very much... thats not much of a job.

Its like the teacher who hand picks straight A students for their class and then wins the award for "best teacher" because their students all got straight A's AGAIN. A GOOD teacher worth being paid a lot of money for can help those improve from where they were before and actually TEACH them something.

[Alex]

^ I didn't say I pick the 'A' students. I said I go off attitude. If someone lacks skill but WANTS to learn I will TEACH them, because in my mind they have more potential than someone with natural talent but no desire to learn.

i teach those who want to learn, those with good attitudes.