male djs vs. female djs

[kir mokum]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

I think illesha is one of the best dj/producers in the city - female or otherwise. If anyone deserves a spot on a big label, it's her.

no question.

[-evil-duerr-]

*nods* ...not to start beef but I think she's(ill-esha) got more game than B-traits.

[GSG9]

to sum up anything i will ever say in this thread:

3/5 of my favorite local djs are all female. (ok 2 used to be local but they still started here)

... and i agree that ill-esha > b traits. illeshas tracks have some serious soul, and generally ive seen much better mixing come from illesha.... but shes also 5 times more experienced.

[ebbomega]

^^ Truth. I don't think it's any slight on B Traits to say that Illy's better than her though. Frankly, if I were in her shoes I'd be honoured to be compared.

[stephen_c]

is there an electronic version of lilith fair?






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[-evil-duerr-]

if there is I wanna go. aren't raver dykes generally considerably hotter than the usual variety of KD Lang enthusiasts?

[rawb]

YEAH BUT IT TAKES PLACE ON AGRODAVE'S COUCH o

[stephen_c]

sweet baby jesus.
raver dykes?

i meant female promoters and djs
should put together somethin like lilith fair.
roll up ur sleeves and help urselves.



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[-evil-duerr-]

alright, who forgot to send stephen c the sense of humour memo?

heads will roll for this one

[stephen_c]

me, i take all the blame

[dj_soo]

I believe the Ladyfest often showcases established and up and coming vancouver female talent. The hasometimes have a a night dedicated to electronic music - the one in 2006 had Robin Judge, Square Root of Evil, Socool, and DJ Ang...

[cubed]

Originally Posted by rawb

YEAH BUT IT TAKES PLACE ON AGRODAVE'S COUCH o

I heard they smoke chlamydia at that.

[b0ld]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

I believe the Ladyfest often showcases established and up and coming vancouver female talent. The hasometimes have a a night dedicated to electronic music - the one in 2006 had Robin Judge, Square Root of Evil, Socool, and DJ Ang...

Jenn (SROE) is absolutely brilliant. From what I understand she has her own LP coming out real soon (going to be pressed).

[kir mokum]

one idea that never seems to get explored in these types of conversations (male v. female) is that maybe it's not about one gender having some sort of genetic disposition making them better or worse at something but rather girls just aren't interesting in the same things as men. maybe because girls are generally less interested in something like DJing (obviously) less of them are going to try it and even less of them are going to be good at it. my personal experience has been that when girls DO want to do something that is male dominated (like DJing, snowboarding, sound engineering) they have blown their male counterparts out of the water. but judging by this thread, other people have had a range of different experiences.

i think chicks who get ahead because they're pretty is fucking lame, especially when they make a point to take advantage of it, but at the same time i can't really blame them. i think dabbler made a good point though: that the looks thing will fast track you to a point but then it gets a lot harder to get any further from there. i don't think that's gender specific either.

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by kir mokum

i don't think that's gender specific either.

true nuff

[NinjaBoy]

BTW-Soo, I don't think I ever said technically they weren't as good, just that it was more about attituide.

[Séguin]

I don't think gender has much to do with skill at all. I've seen good and bad from both. However, a female will go further than a male of the same caliber, just because she's a female.

I love music, I love playing it, I love manipulating it, mixing it, editing, remixing it, making it, and playing it out to crowds of ppl. But if there is anything I cant get, its the tech side of it. The trouble I go through to learn how to deal with recording, files, down loading, working programs, hosting, links, erggg I hate it! I have no problem setting up your basic gear, working a mixer, putting on a set of needles (hands on stuff) but anything further and im clueless.

Iduno where im going with this, but I do remember illesha mentioning something simular once before where she doesnt give a crap how the technology's she uses operates (unlike the guys) because all shes interested in is how to use it. And I can totally agree, I guess its like guys and their cars. All they talk about is what kind of engine they have and the gadgets they add on to it. Honestly I have no idea what make my car is or what horse power it has, but I sure love to drive it, and have been told Im one of "the best" parallel parkers out there :D

Iduno maybe thats what separates us and leads a lot of guys to think that female dj's just arnt as "skilled".

People think that girls have it easier getting success with djing, but earning respect and being taken seriously is far more harder for us.

Anyways, one of the most important things Ive been told in this industry is that you cant please everyone. Anyone that knows Bri knows how much dignity she holds for her self and her music, I wouldn't worry so much about the crap talk. If anything it should push her harder to prove them wrong.

[Séguin]

^ all a girl needs as a basic understanding of how the gear works, and how to manipulate & operate it. That, with a sense of rhythm, and basic understanding of the form of the particular genre of music their playing. All electronic music is in common meter (or 4/4). I've still yet to be shown a track that isn't. (anyone is welcome to challenge me on this)

I look at Lady D from Toronto, Jimni Cricket, and Mandora Mew from Seattle, Holly C from Ottawa, and Elyptic from Sudbury. They all excel from most males I've seen on turntables. And they aren't very technically inclined.
As a polar opposite, I'm extremely technical, and I never made it anywhere.

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by Séguin

^ all a girl needs as a basic understanding of how the gear works, and how to manipulate & operate it. That, with a sense of rhythm, and basic understanding of the form of the particular genre of music their playing. All electronic music is in common meter (or 4/4). I've still yet to be shown a track that isn't. (anyone is welcome to challenge me on this)

I look at Lady D from Toronto, Jimni Cricket, and Mandora Mew from Seattle, Holly C from Ottawa, and Elyptic from Sudbury. They all excel from most males I've seen on turntables. And they aren't very technically inclined.
As a polar opposite, I'm extremely technical, and I never made it anywhere.

this is just off the top of my head:

Suv - Free by Four - 3/4
suv - everybody plays the same 3/4 transitions to 4/4
UNKLE - Rabbit in your headlights - 6/8
Kraak & Smaak - 5 to 4 - 5/4
The entire Lamb - Fear of Fours album - lots of different time signatures in there...

i think you meant "dance music" as opposed to "electronic music" as there's plenty of electronic music that's not in 4/4. Dance music on the other had is generally 4/4 although there are again exceptions.

[dave mcnasty]

boys vs. girls!!

nice

[kir mokum]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

this is just off the top of my head:

Suv - Free by Four - 3/4
suv - everybody plays the same 3/4 transitions to 4/4
UNKLE - Rabbit in your headlights - 6/8
Kraak & Smaak - 5 to 4 - 5/4
The entire Lamb - Fear of Fours album - lots of different time signatures in there...

SUV - Vbeat
pules feat. underwolves - change
Venetian Snares
some aphex twin
a lot of zero 7's stuff


i wish there was more though. especially the 6/8 stuff i've heard has a really interesting flow.

[Séguin]

I did mean dance music. I'm going to check those out anyway, I've heard some of them before, but never noticed they weren't common time.

[ebbomega]

Anne Clark - Our Darkness is in 4/4 time but the bars are patterned in groups of six.


One-two-three-four
Two-two-three-four
Three-two-three-four
Four-two-three-four
Five-two-three-four
Six-two-three-four

One-two-three-four
Three-two-three-four
Four-two-three-four
Five-two-three-four
Six-two-three-four

Nothing to prove a point in this debate, just another neat feature in dance programming.

[dj_soo]

^ 12-bar blues style...

Billie Jean has that phrasing too...