NSA Internet Spying at AT&T

[P.A.R.T.Y]

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BTW, I'm sorry for posting yet another YOUTUBE video; I'm not trying to be some dork, but this information is vital. The previous videos from discovery channel have disappeared, so I hopefully this is still up for awhile.

[rawb]

lack of technical knowledge + youtube + sensationalism = this

this is no different than tapping a phone line, seen one of these sniffer setups in seattle.

[miss.myra]

um, where are you getting your information from? Bell Canada IS NOT owned by at&t.

holy crap.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

Bell Canada is owned by AT&T and I'm sure they're all connected.

Is it 1956 again?

[P.A.R.T.Y]

AT&T - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bell System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bell Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Follow the cookie trail I've left for you.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

AT&T - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Bell System - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

From your articles:

A 1956 consent decree, to which AT&T and the United States Department of Justice agreed as a resolution of an antitrust lawsuit filed in the United States in 1949, limited AT&T to engaging in only activities related to a maximum of 85% of the United States' national telephone network and certain government contracts, which precluded the Bell System from extending its reach into the fledgling computer industry and from continuing to hold interests in Canada and the Caribbean.

[P.A.R.T.Y]

AT&T=BELL=NSA Get it, got it, good.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

AT&T=BELL=NSA Get it, got it, good.

Really, that's what you got out of that?

Bell was a central system that ran across North America. It was broken apart in 1956, by an anti trust law. Bell Canada is it's own company (a publically traded company as well which AT&T owns NO SHARES OF).

So AT&T does not equal bell at all other then the fact that bell kept the "bell" from "bell system".

Bell Canada is not part of the America, so the NSA can't even ask them to borrow a pen.

PS- Wikipedia and Youtube are never considered fact in an arguement. It doesn't make you right, just lazy.

[NinjaBoy]

I also forgot to mention that it is illegal for any of the current American Telecommunications company to operate in Canada.

[miss.myra]

holy fuck are you fucking kidding me


BELL CANADA IS NOT, I REPEAT NOT OWNED BY AT&T, I WORK FOR BELL CANADA, I THINK I KNOW THAT I AM TALKING ABOUT. god!!!

now go follow the cookie trail:

BCE

THANKS

[miss.myra]

now go show me somewhere in the Bell Canada wikipedia article you showed me where it says BELL CANADA IS OWNED BY AT&T because i couldn't find it.

[rawb]

another thread where PARTY has no idea what he's talking about, just youtubes and googles for info that serves his prejudice.

again, this is just giving the nsa the ability to 'wiretap' unencrypted email and chat, like they can with your phone.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by rawb

another thread where PARTY has no idea what he's talking about, just youtubes and googles for info that serves his prejudice.

again, this is just giving the nsa the ability to 'wiretap' unencrypted email and chat, like they can with your phone.

DEAR GOD NO! If the NSA can get a warrant from a Judge and I lived in the states they can figure out what I just sold my old videogames for on craigslist.

[P.A.R.T.Y]

Who needs a fucking warrant??
NSA warrantless surveillance controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[SEAN!]

bell is not owned by AT&T its owned by a consortium of investors including the ontario teachers pension fund.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

I also forgot to mention that it is illegal for any of the current American Telecommunications company to operate in Canada.

correct the industry is restricted, thats why when bell had the buyout last summer they had to get approval from the supreme court

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

Who needs a fucking warrant??
NSA warrantless surveillance controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The American government would.

First off, we are Canadian, so pretty much rules out the NSA messing with you unless you are plotting something dastardly while living in the states. If you are in Canada, the NSA's power does not cross into our border.

Just because most of the articles on digg deal with American law does not mean it passes onto you.

PS- Stop using wikipedia without reading the damn articles. Your link discuss the controversy, which stems from who authorizes the NSA, the executive branch or legislative branch of the American government.

[P.A.R.T.Y]

Right, it seems that Bell Canada is not owned by the NSA *eh hem* I mean, AT&T. Lucky Canada, oops...
-->>Illegal wiretap leads to call for investigation of OPP chief - Vive

-->>Simon’s BRant OPP chief - Wiretap (w/transcripts) Blog Archive

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

Right, it seems that Bell Canada is not owned by the NSA *eh hem* I mean, AT&T. Lucky Canada, oops...
-->>Illegal wiretap leads to call for investigation of OPP chief - Vive

-->>Simon’s BRant OPP chief - Wiretap (w/transcripts) Blog Archive

This doesn't prove anything.

You claim a connection all thread long between AT&T, the NSA, and bell Canada. You get owned by common sense and the ability read. You strike back with this.

The provincial police commissioner used an illegal wiretap in a 1995 case involving protesters. The evidence is going to be thrown out, and your article is about how what he did is wrong and he is going to be investigated.

Pretty much proving my point that you can't do illegal wiretaps.

Seriously, next time you post an article read the whole thing (your first article is an exert from a much much larger article), and stop proving yourself wrong.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

Right, it seems that Bell Canada is not owned by the NSA *eh hem* I mean, AT&T. Lucky Canada, oops...
-->>Illegal wiretap leads to call for investigation of OPP chief - Vive

-->>Simon’s BRant OPP chief - Wiretap (w/transcripts) Blog Archive

do you know if the tapped calls were made on the bell network? there are plenty of telecom companies in ontario.

you look like a fool grasping at straws. while i can tell you with 100% confidence that at&t does not own bell.

[rawb]

i can also tell you that NSA has hooks in at more than AT&T

so basically you don't know shit about anything

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

Right, it seems that Bell Canada is not owned by the NSA *eh hem* I mean, AT&T. Lucky Canada, oops...
-->>Illegal wiretap leads to call for investigation of OPP chief - Vive

-->>Simon’s BRant OPP chief - Wiretap (w/transcripts) Blog Archive

what the fuck?!

no seriously..what the fuck?

did i miss what this proves exactly? some joe blow's blog is now a source of credible and valid information?

PLEASE change the first sentence of the OP to reflect correct information because every time my mouse hovers over the thread i build up a little more rage inside

[P.A.R.T.Y]

^^Actually this was big news today. As for the AT&T mistake, I was right in proving that AT&T owns BELL, but was wrong in believing that AT&T is affiliated with BELL Canada. However, Canadian phone/internet lines are NOT free from prying ears.

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by P.A.R.T.Y

^^Actually this was big news today. As for the AT&T mistake, I was right in proving that AT&T owns BELL, but was wrong in believing that AT&T is affiliated with BELL Canada. However, Canadian phone/internet lines are NOT free from prying ears.

God damn I hope you don't dress yourself in the morning, because if you are unable to grasp this concept dressing yourself might be beyond your grasp...

AT&T does not own bell. The company or the system. The "bell system" was a North American company/system (Think like a wireless network). In 1956, the American government made Bell dissolve, relinquishing ownership in all countries except America. AT&T doesn't own ANYTHING in Canada. They are legally (by both the Canadian and American government) not allowed to operate in Canada.

Bell Canada just kept the name because it was easily recognized in Canada.

This is what all the articles you've linked have said.

And no phone line is free from prying ears, phone taps exist. This is common knowledge. But your stupid youtube video linking AT&T and the NSA does not effect Canada.

[P.A.R.T.Y]

"BellSouth actively used and promoted the Bell name and logo for its entire history, from the 1984 break up to its merger with the new AT&T in 2006"

I've already stated that AT&T is not affiliated with Bell Canada. AT&T is affiliated with the Bell Systems in the USA. NSA is directly linked to AT&T, which is a parent of BELL. I thought Bell Canada was owned by the American Company, because it was originally an American Company. I stand corrected. However, it doesn't negate the fact that people within Canada are being spied upon through the telephone/internet lines.


NinjaBoy-->> Instead of shooting down minor discrepancies, why not correct the mistake and move on. As far as I'm concerned, everything that we say or write on the internet (public or private) is potentially recorded and could come back to in the form of future prosecution. I've noticed you've become quite the ass since we met in the Metrotown parking lot and played chocolate monopoly.