Sleepy Dave Nonis Canucks Playoff Thread

[rawb]

Burrows has a hip flexor injury which hobbled his skating, as well as bone chips in his wrist, will prob need offseason surgery according to Botchford.

[omega_image]

Originally Posted by dave mcnasty

You're way off. Worst game of his life? Not even close.

name worse. career high GA at 7 in one of, if not the, biggest game of his life.

plus, please don't group what i said with the "luongo haters", as I stated in my post, I still think he's a great goalie. He just hasn't proven himself in situations where is matter most.

[dave mcnasty]

lol how am i supposed to name a game? you want a specific game date?

I've seen games where he's let in a bunch of shitty goals. 7 Goals in that game doesn't mean shit. At least 5 of them were bullshit and not his fault. There's been plenty of games where he's let in 3 or 4 goals he shouldn't have, or bombed in a shootout.

Like I said before, it was a high scoring game, khabibulin let in a bunch too....the Blackhawks just got way better breaks with powerplays and turnovers which edged them ahead a bit...Don't be fooled by the big number on the scoreboard. Lots of goals went in for both teams, but Luongo also made a bunch of memorable saves. He's had games in his career where he's sucked and didn't even make any good saves.

This game he fucking stoned Havlat on a breakaway, saved bolland's shot with the knob of his stick, and made a bunch of other random saves on good chances. Almost every goal he let in was after a turn over, or a bunch of rebounds, or on some powerplay. The only goal I can think of that he should have had was Kane's first goal which was just a straight shot at him, but again, Kane's a snipe and it would probably go by any goalie.

Check out Luongo's saves in this video and you can see he actually played really well. And none of Chicago's goals were soley because of bad goaltending.



and just so you know i'm not even really a big fan of luongo...I just didn't see him being a problem in the game....the defensive mistakes and penalties (deserved or undeserved) were the biggest problems from what I saw (our offence was actually quite good, we just let them comeback after every goal)

[Grapes]

I agree that (team) defense was our biggest problem in game 6 and in the series in general. Why that should happen, when heading into the playoffs I thought our defense was among the best in the league, is a mystery to me. Could be a bunch more injury reports coming in the next few days.

Luongo's performance in game 6 rates a 6.5 for me. He wasn't as bad as the 7 goals suggest, but he wasn't as good as we needed him to be either.

[Paroxysm]

Luongo may or may not re-sign but I very much doubt he'll be traded. Regardless of what some people may think, Luongo is the biggest key to our team and that's not something you just throw away after ONE bad playoff game.

I think there is a really good chance Jay Bouwmeester lands in Vancouver:

Why Vancouver wants him:

- Younger
- Plays at both ends of the rink
- We lack a real solid puck moving defense men
- Replacement for Ohlund

Why Bouwmeester comes to Vancouver

- Money (Lots of cap space)
- Olympics in 2010
- Competitive and passionate hockey market (Reason for leaving Florida)
- Close to his home town and will play a lot of games there
- Competitive team that won the division 2/3 years
- Guaranteed Ice Time with Ohlund's absence

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by Paroxysm

- Replacement for Ohlund

His play was really disappointing, he really looked like his best years are behind him.

[omega_image]

Originally Posted by dave mcnasty

lol how am i supposed to name a game? you want a specific game date?

Yeah I kind of do. If you are stating that I'm way off for even suggesting it, at least be able to back it up.

I did a little digging myself and found out that 7 GA isn't his career high, it was actually 9, and he also had another 7 GA game. Both were 98/99. Regardless, both of those games were meaningless.

Also, you're using the term "high scoring game" like it's some get out of jail free card for Luongo when really it's a cop out. And please don't reply with some sort of statement that implies like I'm some Luongo bandwagon jumper, as I'm clearly not. I'm only saying, and have only ever said, that he has yet to prove himself when it counts, and this being the biggest game of his life (thus far) combined with the fact that it was his worst outing since being a rookie, I would say that it's clearly his worst game, or within the bottom 3 (in which case, I'm not as batshit crazy as you seem to think).

[dave mcnasty]

Again, you're fooled by the high number on the scoreboard. Try looking at the awesome saves he made throughout the game. And the bullshit goals that weren't his fault. Even that wrap around at the end was directly after a turnover and he missed it by an inch. There's a reason he wasn't pulled. HE WASN'T PLAYING BAD. Same with Khabibulin. If you think about it most goalies get pulled after 4 goals....both goalies stayed in because they were doing well, they just got scored on a lot for reasons that were not their fault.

The "high scoring game" thing isn't a cop out....there are games where both teams just score a lot....the gameplay changes. Everything becomes faster paced, more reckless, there are more penalties, more chances.....in our case, both teams wanted it really badly so they never let up after losing a lead. Then there are those games where everyone is really tight on D, and playing careful, and the intensity might not be as high, and the score is like 2-1. That's not solely because the goalies are shutting everything down. It's just that kind of game.

[omega_image]

Seeing as you're just saying the same thing like a synonym, let's ask a new question. How would you rank his performance?

[dave mcnasty]

I would say it was about a 7.5/10

He played well, he made some great saves, and only got truly beat 2 or 3 times (all on nice goals). My point is, Luongo has had much worse games in his career. He's had games were he's let in 3 or 4 shitty goals and made no good saves, resulting in him getting pulled early in the game. You can't base his worst and best games on GA. He's had much worse games where he's been pulled before he could even get to 7 goals! The fact that he didn't get pulled in this game proves that he wasn't playing that bad. The goals weren't his fault. The goalie gets pulled in a game when they let in a bunch of goals that are their fault.

If you breakdown the goals in this game, you can see that only 2, 3 or 4 goals (depending on how you look at it) should have been saved by Luongo...and even then, most of them were on the powerplay or after a turnover which already eases the blame a bit. That means the score would be, at the most, 5-4 Canucks. You can see every goal is not from bad goaltending:

1st goal: Kane snipes the top corner. It was a nice shot, and Ohlund didn't 'take the man' on the boards (something Don Cherry pointed out too) allowing Kane to walk right in. This isn't a goal you get mad at the goaltender for.

2nd goal. Versteeg's goal. Again, a nice shot AND on the powerplay. Luongo probably should have had this one, but Ohlund moved out of the way instead of trying to block the shot or check Versteeg. Given the bad defence, and the fact that it was a powerplay, the blame isn't on Luongo.

Toews' goal: Once again, Blackhawks are on the powerplay. Toews takes a shot, then the defence lets him walk in and hack away at the rebound. Not Luongo's fault.

4th goal: Bieksa turns over the puck in our own corner, Sharp takes it, deeks in front, Burrish comes in and fires it through a crowd. Bieksa is to blame if anyone.

5th goal: Behind our net, Mitchell loses the puck, Kane scoops it up and wraps it in. Not Luongo's fault, and to his credit, it was unexpected and extremely fast and he still almost stopped it.

6th goal: Powerplay goal. Already the blame is not solely on the goalie. The Blackhawks made a nice play on the PP.

7th goal: Kane flies down the ice, untouched, and snipes the top corner with a backhand. Even the commentator said it was unbeatable. I don't get mad at the goaltender on that kind of goal.

Every goal is either on the powerplay, after a turnover, or is just a nice shot. That is not a bad game for the goaltender. Obviously it wasn't a great game for him....but he still made some nice saves and didn't let in any shitty Cloutier goals - if he did he would have been yanked. That = not worst game of his career.

[rawb]

Bernier just resigned

[Grapes]

McNasty, breaking down every single goal scored on us in game 6 is seriously annoying/depressing me. Plz give it a rest.

[inside]

Originally Posted by Grapes

I agree that (team) defense was our biggest problem in game 6 and in the series in general. Why that should happen, when heading into the playoffs I thought our defense was among the best in the league, is a mystery to me. Could be a bunch more injury reports coming in the next few days.

Luongo's performance in game 6 rates a 6.5 for me. He wasn't as bad as the 7 goals suggest, but he wasn't as good as we needed him to be either.

notice how many shots the Hawks got from the top of the circles? he stopped all of them. When ever we got those shots we scored. The defence always collapsed early, you can't let guys get clear shots from that close.

My problem with Luongo other than the soft goals is his puck handling, he fuckin sucks... I'm a huge Turco fan.

[Grapes]

Turco fan?!?? TURCO. FAN.

The mind boggles.

[rawb]

Originally Posted by inside

I'm a huge Turco fan.

[inside]

I'd rather have him the Luongo! you have to appreciate all the strech passes he does. His passes out of the zone are better than most defenceman!

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by inside

I'd rather have him the Luongo!

[rawb]

Originally Posted by inside

I'd rather have him the Luongo!

Marty Turco
2.81 GAA (30th in league)
.898 SV% (42nd in league)
3 SO
33 WINS in 74 GAMES PLAYED

Roberto Luongo
2.34 GAA
.920 SV%
9 SO
33 WINS in 54 GAMES PLAYED


GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY THREAD

[cubed]

ALEX ISN'T ALLOWED TO POST ANYMORE!!!i

[inside]

Originally Posted by rawb

Marty Turco
2.81 GAA (30th in league)
.898 SV% (42nd in league)
3 SO
33 WINS in 74 GAMES PLAYED

Roberto Luongo
2.34 GAA
.920 SV%
9 SO
33 WINS in 54 GAMES PLAYED


GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY THREAD

Dallas had a rough year as a team.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by inside

Dallas had a rough year as a team.

What the hell kinda double-standard is that?

[dave mcnasty]

it is kinda hard to compare luongo and turco considering turco was on a team that didn't make the playoffs. GAA, SOs, SV% does have something to do with the team as a whole. Luongo is still probably better ...but I don't think it's by as much as the stats suggest.

[rawb]

Turco's done, he was horrible this year.

[Grapes]

As little as I want to revisit the Canucks last playoff series in general, the Straight's Jeff Patterson pointed out a telling fact from game six.

The Canucks had 1 goal leads of 1-0, 4-3 and 5-4 during the game..

None of those leads lasted longer than 2 minutes.

That is the ultimate story of the series, IMO. More than Luongo's goaltending, more than injuries, even more than defensive lapses. The story is: When they pushed, we folded. I thought this team was different, but that was a signature of the Naslund era teams, and it worries me to no end that we haven't shaken that characteristic.

[dave mcnasty]

Yeah.....the Canucks have been brutal at keeping the lead for a long fuckin time....I was hoping it was gonna be different this year, and it was in some games, but in the end they just kept doing it.