Why does Vancouvers scene suck..?

[NinjaBoy]

Damn, I'm going to miss you in a few months when you actually realize how little you do here.

Uber Promoter said

I've seen THE WORST of the Vancouver scene, on an almost daily basis. I've seen this negative attention directed at me daily because of these facts:

1) I'm a nice guy who wants gives to the scene and make a positive impact
2) I love the music and spin
3) I have started a nonprofit promotion company and;
4) I promote for my promotion company

1- My ass, I'm a nice guy who wants to make a positive change. I have helped with many parties that were *gasp* not in my basement!
2) Like everyone, wow, you amazing guy!
3) I have done that too, BUT you don't see me, nor any of the other small non profit companies wave our non profit ness around like retards that want attention
4) You promote about everything your company does, many many many times, I'm suprised you don't update us to what your company achives at all their "meetings" (although I bet the thought has crossed you mind)

You see, MANY people do what you do, I for example do, am i attacked? no, Cause i don't mention it in every fucking chance i get.

1) Me. I'm a damn good example. I'm trying to make a positive impact, bring the parties back to the music, and lower ticket prices. I've been flamed, insulted, jostled, ridiculed, and had my ass ridden several times per day publicly for MONTHS. Why? It's now fashionable.

see my above comments. It's not fashionable. there isn't a conspiricy against you. If all these people stood up and said, shut up, that's a sign

a big one
that anyone would get
I mean, do you need a sign from god himself?

2) Crunk-It Girls. These young girls wanted to start a production company. They went out and advertised it and threw a couple of events. They were bashed, flamed, ridiculed. Why? It's now fashionable.

they were pissy about anything said against their party
they didn't shut the fuck up about it

wow, you guys got along pretty well eh?

3) Terminal Velocity. These guys wanted to throw a party to raise money for their high school band. Bashed, flamed, ridiculed, attacked. Why? Why? It's now fashionable.

WHY? WHY?

Cause he was an idiot. He claimed it was for charity, didn't tell you which charity unless you hassled him. Got pissy, in the same way you did, overpromoted, booked every dj in the city, then cancelled them.

What's the alternative? A scene that works together will be the only scene that survives. We need to pull together and grow up a bit as a scene and realize that we're all in the same boat. We all like electronic music and the city's policies now have destroyed that. Oh yah. And a LOT more positive vibe.

It happens.
A lot.
At almost every real rave
but then again, that dosen't concern you and your house parties now does it?

It's gotten to the point where you can't throw a small party for small dollars legally anymore. Which means our scene has been nipped at the bud - the grassroots - and it's gotta go totally underground. The big parties are so over-legistlated that the remaining promoters with money are going to slowly pull out or go bankrupt.

Gee, you mean raves will be underground!?!?! CRAZY!!!

The alternative: Promoters who under-promise, over deliver and have some sort of customer service model. No more missing headliners and more authenticity with tickets, refunds, and capacities.

while were wishing here, can I have a girl growing out of my knee to constatly give me blow jobs?

3) The drugs

Obviously, drugs are always going to be a part of the rave scene. Unfortunately, here the drugs ARE the scene. If you go to a rave without doing any drugs at all you are the exception rather than the rule. The people in the city aren't stupid, and neither are the voters. They just can't condone parties like that unless theres something there other than drugs and expect to get re-elected.


While the scene was small and hidden away from those out of the know, that was no big deal. But once it hit mainstream, 55 year old corporate types who had never even been to a rave knew exactly why kids had soothers in their mouths and wore facemasks. Which led to government action.

Says the man who throws shows at the marjuina tea house, and constatly discuss pot, and was high during the one radio broadcast I listend to?

The alternative: A festival-like atmosphere, music being the central focus, 19+ only beer gardens, something else to do. Anything that will give the government some sort of a feeling that this is going to be something they can actually condone rather than a room full of "drug-crazed kids".

so, like... a drunken rave.... right... good idea! Lets act on it! QUICKLY, to your basement!

4) The money

Ravers are cheap. Perhaps its because they're usually younger and dont have high-paying jobs yet, but as a social clique they're notoriously known for showing up wherever they are and buying nothing except for a bottle of water if they've been forced to leave their favorite one at home.

While raves aren't about money or spending, theres gotta be some backbone there for government, business, and the promoters. Want to see something die quickly? Get the entire community to boycott it and stop spending any money on it. It will go away very fast.

your a tool. The government doesn't care. they never will, face it.

Where we're at now:

1) Parties are totally illegal to throw unless you already have a ton of money
2) Parties are overregulated
3) Partykids are bitter and jaded because they've gotten the short end of the stick from promoters and the city both financially and with broken promises
4) Way too many drugs, especially very bad ones like methamphetamines

1-Thus, every weekend there are undergournd ones...
2- Only by a few...
3- No, they aren't bitter and jaded, but dealing with idiots, tends to get anyone mad
4- Not the good ones, like pot!

How do we fix it?

you don't, It's not broken, so don't fix it.

1) Clean up our image as a community
2) Work together to get our scene back
3) Work to show the city that we can be responsible
4) Rid the "Rave=Drugs" image

1- Why?
2- We already do, but I'm sure you can unite all the house parties
3- Why?
4- Why?

If we dont do these things (or variants of them), the rave scene as we know it will be as dead as Woodstock during 2002.

if we do this, then they cease to be raves.

And don't say this proves your point, cause it dosen't

we're all pretty nice, and not bitter and jaded, you have been singled out due to your own genius comments

[*Ms BoOTy*]

i think it has to do with everyone who was partying a year and 2 years just started getting bored.
Going to every party every weekend like you swore to yourself you would just got lame. It was just the same old party and the same old music at all of them.
Well maybe no the music..but just...it never changed.
And now all the 12 yr olds have discovered the 'raves' and their all over the place.
Im sorry..but when i was fucken 12 yrs old..theres no way in hell i woulda beeen aloud to go to a party.
Im sure half of them lie about where they are.
But I think thats why the scene has gone to shit.
Maybe its because ppl change and grow up?
Or because it just boring now?

Either way....i do miss it alot...
and going to every party like i was doing was really hard on me..and with the raver plague for 6 months and still partying got to me.
I made myself so sick.
anyway...im sure no one is reading this...so BYE. :160:

[NinjaBoy]

ah, I understand where your comming from.

But understand this

this whole rave scene thing, is probably the one scene where you can say:

"I don't like this, so I'm going to change it"

That's probably the reason, I still ove this whole rave thing as much as I did when I first started.

[Jess_C]

Originally posted by NinjaBoy
this whole rave scene thing, is probably the one scene where you can say:

"I don't like this, so I'm going to change it"

EXACTLY!

[Discord]

You have your No name D.J's who think they are the best
you have your "no limits jungle crew what?" who think they are the best

you don't have any more kande kids (hardly)

Every one is to wraped up in there immature subculture to do any thing about any thing else.

to many classes.. it's about being liked.... and what you dress like and who your friends what. it's no longer about the music.

i think the "raver" culture is dead now. all that's left is a bunch of hardcore wanna be thugs. well almost.


i'm done with partying. no more for me, when you go to one and almost get beat up for being in a diffrent subculture, that's bad....

and all i ever wanted to do was hear the Trance Proffessors.


and form now on in the only reason i will be going to a party is to hear them again.

:310:

i remember a little while ago on Xtcity every one was saying..."it's dyeing"

NEWS FLASH
the culture you all knew and loved is dead

[inkster]

Originally posted by Discord
You have your No name D.J's who think they are the best
you have your "no limits jungle crew what?" who think they are the best

you don't have any more kande kids (hardly)

Every one is to wraped up in there immature subculture to do any thing about any thing else.

to many classes.. it's about being liked.... and what you dress like and who your friends what. it's no longer about the music.

i think the "raver" culture is dead now. all that's left is a bunch of hardcore wanna be thugs. well almost.


i'm done with partying. no more for me, when you go to one and almost get beat up for being in a diffrent subculture, that's bad....

and all i ever wanted to do was hear the Trance Proffessors.


and form now on in the only reason i will be going to a party is to hear them again.

:310:

i remember a little while ago on Xtcity every one was saying..."it's dyeing"

NEWS FLASH
the culture you all knew and loved is dead

What kind of fucked up shitty parties have you been going to?

Christ.

][nkster

[vesperstina]

maybe we should be asking ourselves the questions how can we change this scene into something we like and will enjoy. Rather than why does this scene suck so much. Get over the question and do some action. Talking about it is the first step, organizing, and action should soon follow. It doesn't take much, just an optimistic attitude.

I don't know about you guys, lately in some sub-scenes are definately on the up-rise, they're getting better djs(djs are getting better), finding better(some better than none) venues, and more people who used to be in the scene are coming back for seconds. The only shit party I've been to is Simple05, and that's my own fault to go to such a horrific massive party. I think this year things will pick up where they were at a recessing last year.

There will most likely always be problems like gossip, drugs, and violence but thanks to the freedom to choose, we have the freedom to stay away from all that.

cheers,
stina

[cubed]

Originally posted by Discord
You have your No name D.J's who think they are the best
you have your "no limits jungle crew what?" who think they are the best

you don't have any more kande kids (hardly)

Every one is to wraped up in there immature subculture to do any thing about any thing else.

to many classes.. it's about being liked.... and what you dress like and who your friends what. it's no longer about the music.

i think the "raver" culture is dead now. all that's left is a bunch of hardcore wanna be thugs. well almost.


i'm done with partying. no more for me, when you go to one and almost get beat up for being in a diffrent subculture, that's bad....

and all i ever wanted to do was hear the Trance Proffessors.


and form now on in the only reason i will be going to a party is to hear them again.

:310:

i remember a little while ago on Xtcity every one was saying..."it's dyeing"

NEWS FLASH
the culture you all knew and loved is dead

You have no idea what you're talking about.

cubed

[Jess_C]

I agree with Vesperstina! If you have such a problem then stop talking and take some action. The worst people in life are those who sit back and let others do the work for them. Stand up for what you believe in. If you don't like certain parties, promoters, what have you, then don't support them. People seem to think things are so beyond out of your hands, but they really aren't. The scene of course, is having a little lapse, but in time, it will weed out those who shouldn't be present and things will go on! Look how long the electronic music scene has been around...since many of us were born! I'm sure there were problems in the past, and you evolve out of them. There will always be problems such as scammers, politics, drama, drugs, liars, theives...but it's up to you to fall into that or take a stand against it. *shrugs* Nothing is impossible.

[Jess_C]

Originally posted by inkster


What kind of fucked up shitty parties have you been going to?

Christ.

][nkster

*snickers* totally agree!! :160:

[NinjaBoy]

Originally posted by Discord
You have your No name D.J's who think they are the best
you have your "no limits jungle crew what?" who think they are the best

What are you babbling about?

you don't have any more kande kids (hardly)

So, do something about it rather then leap on the back of another subculture please.

Every one is to wraped up in there immature subculture to do any thing about any thing else.

According to you. Most people have the balls to add to the scene, rather then consume.

to many classes.. it's about being liked.... and what you dress like and who your friends what. it's no longer about the music.

Where? when? I have never had that. What you dress like?

i think the "raver" culture is dead now. all that's left is a bunch of hardcore wanna be thugs. well almost.

What? It's dead? Thanks, I haven't heard that a thousand times in the past year.

But it's not. So there goes that idea.
But it could die.

Jim, dale, QUICKLY, to another sub culture!

i'm done with partying. no more for me, when you go to one and almost get beat up for being in a diffrent subculture, that's bad....

My ass you almost got beat up

Just like I was almost jumped at Jel-low right?

and all i ever wanted to do was hear the Trance Proffessors.

Did you hear them.

Don't think your next sub culture will be any diffrent, in a year, you'll feel the same way.

i remember a little while ago on Xtcity every one was saying..."it's dyeing"

NEWS FLASH
the culture you all knew and loved is dead

Whoa! Wa?!? You said it Miss. In tune with everything about the scene, so it must be true!

[SquiLa]

Originally Posted by high-dee

I think you have to take into account Vancouver's demographics. In comparison to Toronto, Florida or all of those big places, the scene is actually physically larger because they have more people, and therefore can cater to many different tastes.

Most of Vancouver is into the Top 40, so that is where clubs are going to gear there nights to. This is where the money is.

Honestly, Vancouver's scene isn't all that bad considering all of the political happenings. Parties and clubs still go on, and people are having fun.

It's hard to see that when you have been 'around' for awhile, and remember when the scene was 'great', or at least better then it is now. You just have to take what you get and make the most of it.

If you want the scene to improve, the worse thing you can do is take off, or get out. You should continute to support it, and talk to people, promoters, whoever and tell them what you want. The more people that make an effort to make change, the more likely it is for change to occur.

.... ^ Very good points here. Top 40, but now more than ever commercial rap - which is the new Top 40.

[SquiLa]

Originally Posted by Sir_K

I'd say our local scene here sucks for more reasons than just authority. Heres my shitlist:

1) The most vocal people

Not just those on the internet although here on F&K, LX and other boards it would appear that's where they all are. The most vocal people in our scene right now are people with one type of message. A negative one. Hellya, sure I've seen it directed at me, but that's not where it stops. It's directed at anyone and everyone. We've got loudmouth bitter, jaded people out spoiling the scene for everyone making sure anyone with a positive message gets an earful.

The massive amount of infighting hasnt exactly bolstered the general opinion of the promoters themselves, either.

Wake-up call, guyz

Good old points to consider from this guy ^ especially this one ... like I said yesterday: NEGATIVITY DRAINS. Oh well, what can you do. There it is. I'll have fun where I can and hopefully dodge the negativity.

[dabbler]

I blame FnK :P

[Senior]

Non Profit Will Save Raves!

[Ray!]

I think its the lack of venues available,
also some promoters are assholes.
:114:
:chomp:

[dapimpstress]

i *heart* vancouver's scene...


i dont know what ya'll r talkin bout.. i mean if ur talking about the CHANGE in the scene, then thats jus inevitable... however, if u just think it has always sucked.. thats a diff story...

its sick. RECOGNIZE.

[sNyx]

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The Vancouver scene does not suck, if anything it's thriving.
Its' the attitudes of 'majority within' which suck.. ;)

[hardstylin]

hmm from what i can see WAY to many posers, most people go there to look good rather then have fun and party, and the music is lame, house,trance and breakz theres no edge there it needs to get harder filter out some of the barstars who cant handle it.

[Van Tek]

In the end we all want the same thing and that is having more respect in the scene to "everyone"

from what I've been reading here, no two people on this board want the same things...

I tend to agree with the concensus... the scene here sucks... I'm from a small town scene though so my opinions are based mostly on the fact that I can't handle not knowing anybody at parties I go to... it's boring as fuck and since I don't do drugs any more I don't end up wandering around talking to whoever catches my eye... therefore I don't meet enough new people to feel like I'm a part of the scene... every party I go is a whole building full of new people that I don't know... if anything I think the solution to this kind of thing is to define the parties a bit more... there are people who like everything and there are people who like very few things (musically)... genrefication isn't a bad thing, nobody should be forced to listen to music they don't want to hear!

for example, if I was at a party that was mostly breaks DJs playing, then suddenly on the one and only stage at the party, the next DJ starts playing hardcore... I'm gonna walk out the door until his set's over...

seperate the scene into genres, I say... get the crowds of people attending them to be regular players... if you get bored of your crowd and style, then u can hit up another party instead of the ones u normally go to!

I know that some people think that would be a bad idea... but... I can't see why it would be! unless you like a genre of music that isn't popular enough to have a real crowd! in which case you can just as easily stay at home listening to it until your heart's content ;)

[Skyles]

i think the scene here rocks. no one takes it seriously, there is a hell of a lot of fun to be had outdoors, and lot less shit talking, backstabbing than others.

not to mention we have the mountains and beach 30min away from us in the downtown core. we have some great restaurants, beautiful women, and ultimately a friendly attitude. Plus alot of great concerts come in and out of this city!

guess i don't know what scene your talking about ;).

rave scene? yea it sucks, it was dead in 95, before i even got in it.

ciao,
Kyle

[automatic]

jesus f#ck...

get over yourselves.....this "scene" you all speak of, it's just a F#CKIN' PARTY isn't it? I mean, the days where "rave" could even come close to some claim of being some kind of "movement" are so long gone it's not even funny anymore. stop with all the serious bullshit and just have fun, and if you want to actually throw a party, just go ahead and throw a damn party, stop acting like being a promoter is the equivalent of being the f#cking president of f#cking oxfam. IT'S NOT F#CKING ROCKET SCIENCE!!! If you can organize a trip with you and your friends to go camping you can throw a party, provided you have a couple grand you can gamble with.

The main problem with the scene is sad cunts who seem to think that the "deeper meaning" behind them going out on a friday night and getting a little f#cked up has any sort of importance.

[narc]

the scene is what you make of it....

[Electroflux]

Pop quiz: How many of you notice the date on threads you reply to? (Not mocking or anything, just wondering if it's something you make a habit of checking)

[sNyx]

Originally Posted by Electroflux

Pop quiz: How many of you notice the date on threads you reply to? (Not mocking or anything, just wondering if it's something you make a habit of checking)

oh yeah, thats why I thought to comment.
it was so old, I couldnt resist!

auto your last blurb there made little to no sense :p