Why does Vancouvers scene suck..?

[Bitchin]

The minute I saw who had replied to this.. I knew it was an old thread.

I miss people freaking out on Sir K.

[cubed]

I don't miss calling him an idiot on a regular basis; it's one less moron I have to deal with.

[Psycho_Laughs]

it took a 2 year old tread for me to recognise the old infighting of raver message boards...

too funny.

[Mr Ektion]

damn you guys. i got all riled up and wanted to post back. =/

well, here it was in a nut shell:

First off, Who the hell uses more than 1 number list (or number list within a number list) to prove a point in a post?

I think the rave scene needs promoters who are willing to bring in more atrractions and entertainment along with genuine music talent. For instants... if promoters were to spend time to build custom props for each party, or brought in more live pa, or jugglers/circus clowns/stilt walkers (although it would be dangerous because of the water bottles he'd have to stilt through..), more parties filled with projections and large banners with logos and promoter names. The scene has to thrive off a positive reputation of itself.

We gotta be competing against one another as promoters on a creative scale because in truth, creativity and WOW factor and originality are the only things that the partiers can remember and take pictures of and post on forums and put in picture books. If we don't challenge ourselves as a scene, no one else will. we won't get better. Forget the humility, and the popularity and whatever whatever. All in all, most people won't know you, but the hardcore partiers will. Whenever i hear or read criticism, i don't take it offensively. But as an honest comment of criticism. We don't have to go off and blow up at one another because of the mean little things we say

People who throw and help market parties to the unknowing public need to diversify with more schemes and creative attractions. magicians, custume parties, foam parties, balloon parties, full moon parties, outdoor parties, warehouse parties, hall parties, house parties, club parties... just keep changing up your flavors. i swear to god. things will change if we compete in the right way and listen to the complaints and improve upon them without humility. and give away free candy. like lollipops. ravers love that. =)

[Senior]

UUUUUUuuuuuuuggggghhhhhh

[miss.myra]

...shuuuut uuuuup!

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Originally Posted by Senior

UUUUUUuuuuuuuggggghhhhhh

i didnt' read any of this thread but that ^^ is definitely how I feel about it. I'm going to change the topic:

bryan - "Nolan, you should buy me a season's pass to whistler, then we could go riding all the time!"

nolan - "What a great idea bryan, i'll go buy that shit for you right now!"

bryan - "Excellent..."

[dapimpstress]

i *heart* it cuz its PHAT.

































MAD werd.

[sNyx]

Originally Posted by Senior

UUUUUUuuuuuuuggggghhhhhh

Originally Posted by miss.myra

...shuuuut uuuuup!

Let people discuss as they please. Hummpt.

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by sNyx™

Let people discuss as they please. Hummpt.

^hahah mmhmmm.. i concur.

[Ms.Chop]

Originally Posted by .Forwerd

People who throw and help market parties to the unknowing public need to diversify with more schemes and creative attractions. magicians, custume parties, foam parties, balloon parties, full moon parties, outdoor parties, warehouse parties, hall parties, house parties, club parties... just keep changing up your flavors. i swear to god. things will change if we compete in the right way and listen to the complaints and improve upon them without humility. and give away free candy. like lollipops. ravers love that. =)

i agree.

it would be memorable if the set up's were more creative... sure the set up's are crazy.. but to me.. all rave set ups seem the same.. it doesnt cost much to get little props.. hell jus get a couple ravers to do them.. and in return give them glist or sumthin? that will make them a happy camper.
seriously.. diversify and be creative...

instead of the whole
rave=drugs
it could be something else..
jus change the image of YOU'RE parties...
who cares who else is doing it...
do it urselves and u'll see how many ppl will talk about, and come to ur parties.

think about it.

[SquiLa]

Originally Posted by Electroflux

Pop quiz: How many of you notice the date on threads you reply to? (Not mocking or anything, just wondering if it's something you make a habit of checking)

I specifically revived this thread exactly because of it's date. That was the most interesting thing about it. These opinions existed over 2 years ago and still....

and I still want to emphasize:

Originally Posted by SquiLa

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sir_K
I'd say our local scene here sucks for more reasons than just authority. Heres my shitlist:

1) The most vocal people

Not just those on the internet although here on F&K, LX and other boards it would appear that's where they all are. The most vocal people in our scene right now are people with one type of message. A negative one. Hellya, sure I've seen it directed at me, but that's not where it stops. It's directed at anyone and everyone. We've got loudmouth bitter, jaded people out spoiling the scene for everyone making sure anyone with a positive message gets an earful.

The massive amount of infighting hasnt exactly bolstered the general opinion of the promoters themselves, either.

Wake-up call, guyz

Good old points to consider from this guy ^ especially this one ... like I said yesterday: NEGATIVITY DRAINS. Oh well, what can you do. There it is. I'll have fun where I can and hopefully dodge the negativity.

Nothing more.

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Originally Posted by sNyx™

Let people discuss as they please. Hummpt.

Let people tell other people to shut up as they please. Hummpt hummpt! (I still love you though Myles, even though you had sex with my mom)

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Ms.Chop

i agree.

it would be memorable if the set up's were more creative... sure the set up's are crazy.. but to me.. all rave set ups seem the same.. it doesnt cost much to get little props.. hell jus get a couple ravers to do them.. and in return give them glist or sumthin? that will make them a happy camper.
seriously.. diversify and be creative...

instead of the whole
rave=drugs
it could be something else..
jus change the image of YOU'RE parties...
who cares who else is doing it...
do it urselves and u'll see how many ppl will talk about, and come to ur parties.

think about it.

No one is stopping any of you and your great ideas.

P.S. from what I hear there are all of the mentioned parties going on!

[QuanNeur]

Originally Posted by automatic

jesus f#ck...
it's just a F#CKIN' PARTY isn't it?

The main problem with the scene is sad cunts who seem to think that the "deeper meaning" behind them going out on a friday night and getting a little f#cked up has any sort of importance.

The main problem is just the opposite. Too many people see electronic music as entertainment, drugs as entertainment, conceptual environments as entertainment. Too many people fail to see the merging of these three elements for the synergy that they form. They fail to see that the path to true enlightenment lies in "partying" for days in the space bounded by these fundamentals, your spirit impaled on the intersection of the three, then split apart and disintegrated into an infinite number of incalculably small units to be scattered throughout the cosmos and returned to the source of all Being.

so, like, that's the problem.

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by sNyx™

Let people discuss as they please. Hummpt.

Myles, this thread was made two fing years ago.

and look how far that discussion got people! they want to rise it from the dead two years later.

beating the dead horse OK.

if the scene sucks, it's less productive to figure out 'why' than it is to like, change things.

[dapimpstress]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

if the scene sucks, it's less productive to figure out 'why' than it is to like, change things.

werd to miss myra over there. and dude, i LIKE it... no one seems to agree tho.. thats sad..

[SquiLa]

I hoped for nothing more (from me) but...

My only point here was that the negativity sucks. Whether it be on this board, between promoters, electronic genre's or even different types of music altogether, this city, heck why not even the whole of Canada!!

No but really, back to the Vancouver 'scene'. We ARE very lucky for what we have and I reckon were are definitely the the best in Canada for electronic music. Going back to the reason why we have so many DJ's who want to come here. There is something without fail going on every weekend. We should be happy shouldn't we? And support it and try and make it bigger.

On the other hand, I was just reading about Sydney's Big Field Day 2005 for New Year's Eve, an all electronic music party for 25,000 people. I just talked to my friend in Sydney and he informed me that it is already sold out. What in Canada is already sold out for NYE?!!! Check it at ----> http://www.spraci.com/events/36880/

But that's just an example; we aren't there. So we must be happy with what we have and support it. Period.

And, yes, we pretty much are beating a dead horse here. The scene isn't gonna magically become the utopia that it is in other countries. But, at least the infighting could be decreased. But then again that's probably the maggots on the horse and they gotta live too!

[decypher]

Originally Posted by Serotonin

All in all it has alot to do with all the "shit" talking people do behind each others backs. Fuck the "status" bullshit and just be "real" to each other.

"Seretonin, keepin' it real since 1996."

[T_D]

The scene sucks because 90 % of ppl who go to raves/clubs dont appreciate the music, they can have locals playing with horrible mixing and theyll still love it.

The rave companies run this town and they are making waaaay too much money to start caring about booking someone half decent or lowering ticket prices

Example: In calgary a much smaller scene, smaller venue will have Johan Gielen, Cosmic Gate and Guyver at an event with tickets ranging from 30-45 $ 45 being the max, here, in a much larger venue (almost 2ice the size), much bigger scene an event will have BT, CJ Stone and Kai Tracid, one expensive one isnt and the other one isnt even a DJ, and tickets will range from 60 STARTING PRICE (Never before in Vancouver) up to the hundreds


Dont listen to the bs that Solid say that their not making that much money, they did what they did on halloween to make Twisted lose ground and money, so they can take the real money on NYE, when the kiddies think that the PNE rave is gonna rawk and with one actually good live headliner they are gonna make serious bank


Union is trying to do what they can, booking people for their talent, and not commercialized cheese "Rave" status, but for some reason they dont get the crowd I expected they will, maybe with time, but to be completeley honest I dont see the Vancouver Trance scene getting that much better for about 5 years (When Trance SERIOUSLY hits North America in a commercialized way like other genres did before)


No point in bitching tho, the kids are the ones who suffer who have to fork out crazy amounts of money, because they cant go to clubs, and if they dont go to raves, they will experience nothing untill they are 19, and no one can wait that long


My 0.02$

[Serotonin]

Originally Posted by T_D

The scene sucks because 90 % of ppl who go to raves/clubs dont appreciate the music, they can have locals playing with horrible mixing and theyll still love it.

The rave companies run this town and they are making waaaay too much money to start caring about booking someone half decent or lowering ticket prices

Example: In calgary a much smaller scene, smaller venue will have Johan Gielen, Cosmic Gate and Guyver at an event with tickets ranging from 30-45 $ 45 being the max, here, in a much larger venue (almost 2ice the size), much bigger scene an event will have BT, CJ Stone and Kai Tracid, one expensive one isnt and the other one isnt even a DJ, and tickets will range from 60 STARTING PRICE (Never before in Vancouver) up to the hundreds


Dont listen to the bs that Solid say that their not making that much money, they did what they did on halloween to make Twisted lose ground and money, so they can take the real money on NYE, when the kiddies think that the PNE rave is gonna rawk and with one actually good live headliner they are gonna make serious bank


Union is trying to do what they can, booking people for their talent, and not commercialized cheese "Rave" status, but for some reason they dont get the crowd I expected they will, maybe with time, but to be completeley honest I dont see the Vancouver Trance scene getting that much better for about 5 years (When Trance SERIOUSLY hits North America in a commercialized way like other genres did before)


No point in bitching tho, the kids are the ones who suffer who have to fork out crazy amounts of money, because they cant go to clubs, and if they dont go to raves, they will experience nothing untill they are 19, and no one can wait that long


My 0.02$

i like the shameless plug for union in there werd bro!

[Tayfoon]

Go Union !
:D

[Seismic]

Originally Posted by T_D

The scene sucks because 90 % of ppl who go to raves/clubs dont appreciate the music, they can have locals playing with horrible mixing and theyll still love it.

The rave companies run this town and they are making waaaay too much money to start caring about booking someone half decent or lowering ticket prices

Example: In calgary a much smaller scene, smaller venue will have Johan Gielen, Cosmic Gate and Guyver at an event with tickets ranging from 30-45 $ 45 being the max, here, in a much larger venue (almost 2ice the size), much bigger scene an event will have BT, CJ Stone and Kai Tracid, one expensive one isnt and the other one isnt even a DJ, and tickets will range from 60 STARTING PRICE (Never before in Vancouver) up to the hundreds


Dont listen to the bs that Solid say that their not making that much money, they did what they did on halloween to make Twisted lose ground and money, so they can take the real money on NYE, when the kiddies think that the PNE rave is gonna rawk and with one actually good live headliner they are gonna make serious bank


Union is trying to do what they can, booking people for their talent, and not commercialized cheese "Rave" status, but for some reason they dont get the crowd I expected they will, maybe with time, but to be completeley honest I dont see the Vancouver Trance scene getting that much better for about 5 years (When Trance SERIOUSLY hits North America in a commercialized way like other genres did before)


No point in bitching tho, the kids are the ones who suffer who have to fork out crazy amounts of money, because they cant go to clubs, and if they dont go to raves, they will experience nothing untill they are 19, and no one can wait that long

My 0.02$

With all due respect to the people who put on Doomsnight but alot of the music played was 3 years ago (except for that asian dude who always closes those coliseum shows) and people loved it wtf is that i'm from calgary and i always thought vancouver was ahead of calgary's party scene but we had lineups like that 4 years ago seems like the only shows where i actually hear fresh tunes are from these union guys.The tracks at coliseum parties are cheese and people love it is anyone educated at these shows?
my $0.02

[~*tct*~]

the scene has its ups and downs but vancouver rox it all the way.

[Tayfoon]

^Hah
Coming from Surrey I guess Vancouver is heaven for you

Go anywhere else in North America which is not a shit whole town and experience a completeley difference vibe, atmosphere and a whole new world of Trance