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Jan 02, 02
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Why does Vancouvers scene suck..?
All in all it has alot to do with all the "shit" talking people do behind each others backs. Fuck the "status" bullshit and just be "real" to each other.
Almost glad i left.... Serotonin by the way the new years party i was at kicked ass no cops or security and 800 people in an indoor skatepark. 
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Jan 02, 02
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I agree with you Pete.
Another reason why I think everything sucks so bad down here is because poeple simply don't give a fuck about the music. There are many reasons for this,,, be it that they are pissed about the amount of 'no shows' in the past or they simply can't justify paying top dollar to see 'someone play someone else's music'. lol I don't see anything good happening with the 'scene' here in Vancouver until the bars/clubs can stay open until 4am or whatever. I think this will really help improve the nightlife after is goes into effect. I'm sick of listening to all the shit talking as well,,, it will be a nice change when I leave. Hopefully things will have taken a turn for the better when I get back. At least I'll have some new records and new talent with me when I finally get back here! peace. Last edited by D; Jan 02, 02 at 03:44 PM.
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Jan 02, 02
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i think unless you're doing something to change it you have no right to complain.
not being personal. but we have a scene which is pretty straight forward and onesided. right now is the time that we can do anything we want with it, where one or two people can seriously make a shitload of difference. try doing that in LA or florida or TO. other scenes are bigger, but they are also very corporate and policed. thier djs spin under clothing labels. water costs 5 bucks. fuck that. ill take vancouver's scene any day. are ya'll having fun? then shawddup. cuz until you live another scene you don't really know how good we have it sometimes. r.
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Jan 02, 02
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I think you have to take into account Vancouver's demographics. In comparison to Toronto, Florida or all of those big places, the scene is actually physically larger because they have more people, and therefore can cater to many different tastes.
Most of Vancouver is into the Top 40, so that is where clubs are going to gear there nights to. This is where the money is. Honestly, Vancouver's scene isn't all that bad considering all of the political happenings. Parties and clubs still go on, and people are having fun. It's hard to see that when you have been 'around' for awhile, and remember when the scene was 'great', or at least better then it is now. You just have to take what you get and make the most of it. If you want the scene to improve, the worse thing you can do is take off, or get out. You should continute to support it, and talk to people, promoters, whoever and tell them what you want. The more people that make an effort to make change, the more likely it is for change to occur.
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Jan 03, 02
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I would have to agree Pete! Vancouver's scene does suck and there is a lot of shit talking going around. Everyone is nice to each other's faces...but rude behind their backs...people are just fake...period...although you WILL find the drama wherever you go! So it's not like you can just escape it!! Personally I think every scene has problems, but Vancouver's is the most affected. Status...and who you are friends with doesn't matter in the big scheme of things people...neither does money or power. What really matters is staying real to you and those around you. Make it your ny resolution or something! Peace!
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Jan 03, 02
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Jan 03, 02
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FIRSTLY... No one has ever hired me for a job and *nailed* me thank you very much. All the work I have done has *never* involved sex, so I have no idea what you are talking about. I am not a nieve blonde moron...thanks but I'm very smart, am going to college, had straight A's...so drop that subject asshole. I have never been hucked to the curb by anyone I have done work for either. SECONDLY... Where you brought up this *crystal meth addiction* is quite entertaining. Considering I don't even touch crystal, I have never had a problem with it, and never will. I don't do drugs asshole, so drop that one too. I don't know who you are, but your assumptions of me are very wrong. Before you sit there and bash someone, get your facts straight about them!:211: Last edited by Jess_C; Jan 03, 02 at 08:04 PM.
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Jan 03, 02
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blondie_jess ..
he spelt naive right the first time. :Kam: just thoughtt it was funny...hehehahaha :310: lost soul_
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Jan 03, 02
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The reason the scene sucks here.
Well I'll be damned. People are actually talking about this now.
I've gotta say that I've made some mistakes here and there in the past but nothing close to what I've received. And I've received bad schlag for mistakes I haven't even made. I've seen THE WORST of the Vancouver scene, on an almost daily basis. I've seen this negative attention directed at me daily because of these facts: 1) I'm a nice guy who wants gives to the scene and make a positive impact 2) I love the music and spin 3) I have started a nonprofit promotion company and; 4) I promote for my promotion company I'd say our local scene here sucks for more reasons than just authority. Heres my shitlist: 1) The most vocal people Not just those on the internet although here on F&K, LX and other boards it would appear that's where they all are. The most vocal people in our scene right now are people with one type of message. A negative one. Hellya, sure I've seen it directed at me, but that's not where it stops. It's directed at anyone and everyone. We've got loudmouth bitter, jaded people out spoiling the scene for everyone making sure anyone with a positive message gets an earful. Some examples: 1) Me. I'm a damn good example. I'm trying to make a positive impact, bring the parties back to the music, and lower ticket prices. I've been flamed, insulted, jostled, ridiculed, and had my ass ridden several times per day publicly for MONTHS. Why? It's now fashionable. 2) Crunk-It Girls. These young girls wanted to start a production company. They went out and advertised it and threw a couple of events. They were bashed, flamed, ridiculed. Why? It's now fashionable. 3) Terminal Velocity. These guys wanted to throw a party to raise money for their high school band. Bashed, flamed, ridiculed, attacked. Why? Why? It's now fashionable. What's the alternative? A scene that works together will be the only scene that survives. We need to pull together and grow up a bit as a scene and realize that we're all in the same boat. We all like electronic music and the city's policies now have destroyed that. Oh yah. And a LOT more positive vibe. 2) The promoters Not to name any names, but "the gouge the partykids for all they're worth and then report to them about how much money we lost" trick isnt going to work anymore. Bad fiscal and business management isn't the atendees problem. Overselling venues, not spending enough time on ensuring counterfeit tickets are an impossibility (the technology is available) and playing chicken with the city are all some reasons to blame - which has gotten us to the point we're at now. It's gotten to the point where you can't throw a small party for small dollars legally anymore. Which means our scene has been nipped at the bud - the grassroots - and it's gotta go totally underground. The big parties are so over-legistlated that the remaining promoters with money are going to slowly pull out or go bankrupt. The massive amount of infighting hasnt exactly bolstered the general opinion of the promoters themselves, either. The alternative: Promoters who under-promise, over deliver and have some sort of customer service model. No more missing headliners and more authenticity with tickets, refunds, and capacities. 3) The drugs Obviously, drugs are always going to be a part of the rave scene. Unfortunately, here the drugs ARE the scene. If you go to a rave without doing any drugs at all you are the exception rather than the rule. The people in the city aren't stupid, and neither are the voters. They just can't condone parties like that unless theres something there other than drugs and expect to get re-elected. While the scene was small and hidden away from those out of the know, that was no big deal. But once it hit mainstream, 55 year old corporate types who had never even been to a rave knew exactly why kids had soothers in their mouths and wore facemasks. Which led to government action. The alternative: A festival-like atmosphere, music being the central focus, 19+ only beer gardens, something else to do. Anything that will give the government some sort of a feeling that this is going to be something they can actually condone rather than a room full of "drug-crazed kids". 4) The money Ravers are cheap. Perhaps its because they're usually younger and dont have high-paying jobs yet, but as a social clique they're notoriously known for showing up wherever they are and buying nothing except for a bottle of water if they've been forced to leave their favorite one at home. While raves aren't about money or spending, theres gotta be some backbone there for government, business, and the promoters. Want to see something die quickly? Get the entire community to boycott it and stop spending any money on it. It will go away very fast. Where we're at now: 1) Parties are totally illegal to throw unless you already have a ton of money 2) Parties are overregulated 3) Partykids are bitter and jaded because they've gotten the short end of the stick from promoters and the city both financially and with broken promises 4) Way too many drugs, especially very bad ones like methamphetamines How do we fix it? 1) Clean up our image as a community 2) Work together to get our scene back 3) Work to show the city that we can be responsible 4) Rid the "Rave=Drugs" image If we dont do these things (or variants of them), the rave scene as we know it will be as dead as Woodstock during 2002. Wake-up call, guyz
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Jan 03, 02
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you're an idiot. the so called "rave scene" has existed with that stigma for ages, and it exists and thrives in cities with much harsher *anti-rave* laws. You are not going to "clean it up" nor are some feeble laws and minor & occasional police interferance going to kill the "rave scene".
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Jan 03, 02
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1-4 can apply a host of people: oddmud, form+kaos... fuck even my crew. yet, these people don't recieve negative attention when their shows. how do you explain the difference? Quote:
2) they threw one event, which switched dates halfway through. not exactly reliable material. i do not believe people who do not have a member who can legally enter contracts should be throwing parties. i think the outcome was a perfect example. 3) i would not thow a kegger for a high school band to raise money. throwing a rave is just as irresponsible. Quote:
you are part of the problem. r.
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Jan 03, 02
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You're a fucking moron. Correcting someone's spelling is weak. Correcting someone's spelling and being wrong is weaker. Correcting someone's spelling, being wrong about it then editing your post so you'll look like less of an idiot is the weakest.
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michael ps I'll try not to hit you in the head with my cigarette butt when I flick it to the gutter
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Jan 03, 02
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Hey wickedhousparty guy
Don't front like you're doing jack shit for the scene. Doing a night at a restaurant and throwing parties in your backyard really isn't that special. Disappear off the face earth tomorrow and see if anyone can remember your name a week from now. You're totally disposable. So, if you don't like how you're being treated you can:
a) deal with b) change c) leave I'm rooting for "c" And I really don't like how you pretend to be Al's friend to his face but consistantly take pot shot's at him and LX on this site. michael Last edited by d.b.o.; Jan 03, 02 at 09:14 PM.
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this thread is getting fukking enteratining..
haha whp crew.. LOL everything turns into a fucking promo.. hahaha "i throw non profit 5 dollar parties! i am so much better than you all" ya right kris.. talk to you when you get your head of your ass.. :310: lost soul_
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Re: The reason the scene sucks here.
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The actual WORST of the Vancouver rave scene rarely gets discussed on such boards because if they were, some people's current views on things would shatter, and other people's lives would be at stake. It is certainly not a pretty world out there.... Quote:
6) I make a big deal out out of doing things that other people do as common practice. 7) I spam people openly and then get all uppity when the people I spam ask to be taken off of the mailing list. 8) I am a faceless corporate entity 9) I am the rave scene's saviour and there is a conspiracy to prevent me from gaining my rightful throne as RAEVMASTR!@#% Quote:
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1. They were sixteen. 2. They were extremely sketchy about their organization of the party. 3. They were sixteen. 4. Oh yeah, they were sixteen. "Fashionability" had nothing to do with this. Quote:
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