Canucks Sign Willie Mitchel

[KenJi]

I still don't think Nonis is doing as good a job as he can be doing.

but at least he got the sedins signed.

i honestly do not think mitchell deserves 3.5 million maybe 3 thats what said. but than again alot of GM's are paying their players too much this season thinking because the cap is going up they can

[Goodfellow]

fuck this. Willie is a solid D and everything, but Nonis is totally effing up our D-men.. losing baum, jovo, allen ... the chemistry for our new team is gunna be totally shot. We'll have Nassy up front with nobody, sedins and HOPEFULLY? carter.. then what.. not much in the way of Dmen.

[Chuck]

I think thats the idea, shake up the team because obviously, whatever flow we had, didnt even make the playoffs.

[KenJi]

losing Baumer is big in my opinion, as he will still get better as the this season and next go

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

/bourdon factor

That's a big 'un. But how soon can he step into the league? Allen was supposed to pan out for us too and that took years for nothing.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by KenJi

losing Baumer is big in my opinion, as he will still get better as the this season and next go

Come on! He was a journeyman player and is easily replaceable.

Originally Posted by Chuck

I think thats the idea, shake up the team because obviously, whatever flow we had, didnt even make the playoffs.

I just can't help but laugh because everyone in this city always sings the same song. If they had kept the team together everyone would have gone on about how Jovo sucks and Bert needs to be traded.

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Senior

Come on! He was a journeyman player and is easily replaceable.



I just can't help but laugh because everyone in this city always sings the same song. If they had kept the team together everyone would have gone on about how Jovo sucks and Bert needs to be traded.

No was a player getting better with each year 34 points +11 is a journeyman.

Though he really hasn't had a season like that yet. I think more than being a journeyman he is just hitting his peak later than some players 10 years into his career.

Plus the canucks have a tendency to trade players who end up excelling on other teams.

[KenJi]

point i like to make it i think GM's are paying players way to much solely based on the fact that the cap goes up by a whople 5 million.

3.5 for mitchell i think he should be nore than 3

luongo as good a goalie as he is i think he deserves no more than 24 million at 6 million a year.

what are ur thoughts on some of these salaries.

Now Doug Weight for 3.1 million is a good deal for the blues.

[Senior]

Originally Posted by KenJi

point i like to make it i think GM's are paying players way to much solely based on the fact that the cap goes up by a whople 5 million.

3.5 for mitchell i think he should be nore than 3

luongo as good a goalie as he is i think he deserves no more than 24 million at 6 million a year.

what are ur thoughts on some of these salaries.

Now Doug Weight for 3.1 million is a good deal for the blues.

I think that top tier elite players will always get paid more than they are worth so to say. In a couple of weeks from now when all the dust has settled on free agency I think we'll be able to see a clear picture on all of this. Maybe Nonis did over pay him but to be fair we'll have to wait and see.

[KenJi]

^ ya at least he's getting players for area's we have needed help in such as goaltending. That one he nailed on the board though the cost is quite alot. Luongo shouldn't be a flop like Khabibulan.

Point being he isn't going to some no name team like Chicago who even with the like of Kipper would prob still end up a bottom feeder team

[KenJi]

Now this is a trade Pronger for Joffrey Lupul, top prospect Ladislav Smid, Anaheim's first-round choice in 2007, a conditional first-round pick and Anaheim's second-round pick in 2008 to the Oilers in exchange for Pronger.

Given thats alot of Anaheims future they obviously had a pretty good team last year seeing as where they went in the playoff's.

Now they got Niedermayer and Pronger on their defense core.

We've never had a defensemen of that calibre ever as far as I can remember.

and no Jovo is no Niedermayer or Pronger

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by Senior

I just can't help but laugh because everyone in this city always sings the same song. If they had kept the team together everyone would have gone on about how Jovo sucks and Bert needs to be traded.

No, I was rooting for that all along. We needed to get rid of Bertuzzi badly. I'm happy that's out of the way and I think Luongo was a great pickup. He's a Team Canada goalie, ffs. Jovo still needs a replacement, though, and Cloutier has to move. There's lots of work to be done.

[KenJi]

^ definetly with Jovo gone we do still need to fill that void. An offensive defensmen albeit doesn't have to be a 50+ defensemen but a solid defensmen with who can put some decent numbers.

We got two defensemen now who can check the opponents best players though I think Ohlund will still get the brunt of the work. We also need a better centermen for naslund morisson already seems like he's past his prime lol

[Mangle]

^^^ Hell, we almost made the playoffs with a 35 point dman.

[KenJi]

we did make it for li ke 4 years straight. but last year the whole team minus the sedins were defensively just horrid.

but i think a lupal would have been a good fit for van.

but ya l.a has rob blake again even if he isn't as dominant as before still a steller player.

Anaheim has both Niedermayer and Pronger. Man Burke is really playing it well.

At least we got Luongo albeit this is gonna prove if he is a top 5 goalie or not. The real test will be the next few years. As no one knows how he is in the playoff's can he be that key position van always has sucking in the playoff's.

[Senior]

Burke got schooled on that trade unless Anahiem wins the cup.

[Hot Karl]

mitchell signing is a bit over-priced, but it's all relative to the market. a shitload of teams have huge holes on defence so it's jacked the prices up for everyone. ie: chara's bloated contract.

at least come next year if the cap goes up, mitchell's salary is easier to digest. we weren't there in negotiations. mitchell could easily have had other suitors and nickel & diming him wouldn't have gotten him signed.

we could have called his bluff but then we wouldn't even have mitchell.

here's the thing regarding luongo. does anyone really think he's going to fold up like turco? even if luongo is merely average in the playoffs, it's an actual improvement for our goaltending. his salary is high, but we're getting the best young goalie available at a long term deal. we've ended all doubt about a position that has caused all the doubt here for years.

bryan allen can't compare to bourdon. bourdon is an actual top rated prospect not just some kid we have in our system. right now bourdon is better then allen.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by Hot Karl

bryan allen can't compare to bourdon. bourdon is an actual top rated prospect not just some kid we have in our system. right now bourdon is better then allen.

Um...Bourdon was drafted 10th overall while Allen was drafted 4th in his year.

[BongMan]

Take into account the 98 entry Draft was considerably weaker then last years...

[Senior]

Originally Posted by Mangle

Um...Bourdon was drafted 10th overall while Allen was drafted 4th in his year.

He was a 4th overall pick but lost 2 seasons right away to injuries and contract problems. Bourdon almost made the Canucks at 19 and should almost be a lock for this year.

[Mangle]

Originally Posted by BongMan

Take into account the 98 entry Draft was considerably weaker then last years...

Time will decide that one. Eric Cole, Brad Richards, and Brian Gionta were taken in the third round in 1998. The point was Allen, weak draft or not, was a very highly rated prospect. Vancouver has a long history of weak draft choices. We can't rely on Bourdon panning out next year. We still need an offensive dman.

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Senior

Burke got schooled on that trade unless Anahiem wins the cup.

Depends on alot of circumstance one being the picks and who is who in the draft picks.

I wouldn't be surprised Anaheim has a pretty good team they did well in the playoff's. Of coarse alot of that was Ilya Bryzgalov.

but Pronger is a worthy player especially on the right team, but losing lupal is pretty huge too.

well see I guess. Anaheim is selling their future but they have a solid team now

[KenJi]

Originally Posted by Mangle

Time will decide that one. Eric Cole, Brad Richards, and Brian Gionta were taken in the third round in 1998. The point was Allen, weak draft or not, was a very highly rated prospect. Vancouver has a long history of weak draft choices. We can't rely on Bourdon panning out next year. We still need an offensive dman.

and look at where cole, richards and gionta ended up. they are solid veteran players already. Allen is still not as solid as he could be albeit he did improve quite abit compared to a couple of seasons ago.

Bourdon will put up some numbers. He is a good two way player and on a team like the nucks he will jump and put up some decent numbers if not good numbers.

Espcially considering he won't be taking on the best players on the opponents team cause we have ohlund and mitchell for that

[Goodfellow]

Originally Posted by KenJi

Now this is a trade Pronger for Joffrey Lupul, top prospect Ladislav Smid, Anaheim's first-round choice in 2007, a conditional first-round pick and Anaheim's second-round pick in 2008 to the Oilers in exchange for Pronger.

Given thats alot of Anaheims future they obviously had a pretty good team last year seeing as where they went in the playoff's.

Now they got Niedermayer and Pronger on their defense core.

We've never had a defensemen of that calibre ever as far as I can remember.

and no Jovo is no Niedermayer or Pronger

Man fuck pronger.. I honestly don't see what the hype is about him? Sure he's big and everything, but I think he's well outta his prime. Did anybody even pay attention to him the last 2 years? haha he makes soo many brutal mistakes and he's not very fast .. costed team canada a couple horrible goals right at the end too. He's just a big ogre now. He used to be good though.

[Hot Karl]

my bad on the specific spot allen was drafted.

but my main point is this, allen was drafted 8 years ago. he's about a top 4-5 d-man now. bourdon is where allen is now, minus the 7-8 year gap.

our draft history is very spotty, but that doesn't change the fact that this kid did what phaneuf did a few years ago at the juniors. and that's completely dominate the tourney. there's a big diff between a decent defenceman and a guy who is a tourney mvp.

i don't want to hinge our defence on this rookie, but he's going to better then anyone we can put into the 4-7th d spots.

*my only real gripe so far was i expected us to add something onto our 3rd line. with our current lack of defencemen, anson carter and a bertuzzi replacement i doubt a 3rd liner is any where near nonis' list.