So I went to the Cecil last night...

[mapleleaf4ever]

^ Where have I been? lol I've been living in Mississauga, Ontario since last October. lol

Dave, he's been working in the COQ. But soon enough he and I will be raising hell again. But not in the 604.

[MissMarz]

ACTUALLY...
i met a french stripper from france last night in the bathroom..
i was eyeing her out last night, cuz i was contimplating a lap dance, and she def stood out. teeny tiny little thing, with amazing blue eyes, long straight blonde hair and massive breastesses... very barbie i'd say but maybe like 5'2"
anyways, she was very nice, and sounded super smart when we chatted it up in the bathroom, and she barely spoke english which made it even hotter.
she really seemed to be enjoying what she did and seemed like a perfectly normal woman you'd find walking around on robson.


oh yeah if you're wondering if i got that lap dance i didnt, she had quite the line up waiting for her, every time i tried i got distracted by something turned around and saw some guy be led to the back room.


the funniest was when one came out after his private dance, and kept looking in his wallet most likely thinking, " fuck how much did i just give her?"

[Grapes]

Did you tell that girl about how oppressed she is?

[MissMarz]

yeah man, it was the first thing on my mind...

[Grapes]

And on hers as well, I'm sure.

[Grapes]

robyn says:
hmmmm

robyn says:
dave

robyn says:
i really wish you would stop being such a mysoginistic opressor

Grapes - If we have to fall out, we should fall out together says:
well

Grapes - If we have to fall out, we should fall out together says:
you're speaking from the perspective of someone who is habitually oppressed

Grapes - If we have to fall out, we should fall out together says:
being female

Grapes - If we have to fall out, we should fall out together says:
so I have to respect your wishes

Grapes - If we have to fall out, we should fall out together says:
I mean, you'll still be oppressed whether I respect your wishes or not

Grapes - If we have to fall out, we should fall out together says:
but it'll be slightly better

robyn says:
hmm

robyn says:
doesn't your judaism count for anything

robyn says:
?

Grapes - If we have to fall out, we should fall out together says:
it would've 60 years ago

Grapes - If we have to fall out, we should fall out together says:
but that's been nullified by Israel's actions in the middle east

Grapes - If we have to fall out, we should fall out together says:
and my white male ness pushes me well into the "oppressor zone"

Grapes - If we have to fall out, we should fall out together says:
hell, my love of strip clubs is a dead giveaway

Grapes - If we have to fall out, we should fall out together says:
the only thing I'm lacking is the corporate wealth

Grapes - If we have to fall out, we should fall out together says:
can I copy this onto FNK

[MissMarz]

bahahahahah!

[J o e l]

I saw an asian duo...SOOOO hot..guyz lined up for hours to get the double lap dance

I think they were the most liberated strippers Ive ever seen

[C_squared]

man when you try to have some fun there's always someone there to kill the buzz.

[zarlon]

Originally Posted by fable

And im most definetly not a person who has been taught my entire life that the only thing that makes me worthwhile is my ass and titts.

Funny, neither am I... nor are most of the women I know.

Strength of self my friend.

[SmokeOne]

Originally Posted by Kraig

How the shit do you peeps do that? Stay up till 4AM drinking and then go to work early in the morning? Sheeeiiiiit.

Lots of practice :) and pain and suffering..lol

[fable]

[quote=cubed]So because I don't agree with your views on this subject it makes me ignorant?

Not at all, but you write like someone who is. Your a really funny guy, but sometimes, i scratch my head trying to figure why your witmaster 2000 is always set to broil?

By all means continue doing so, but in no way should you think you have any idea of what it's like for all women in this society. That's the problem with a lot of these activist movements, it's the voices of few trying to speak for the masses. When really they have no clue about what the masses want to say

.

Do you really think the problem is that a "few activists" are disconnected from the "masses" or could it perhaps be because of other reasons? Nonetheless YOU ARE RIGHT, I do not know whats its like to be a women intimately.

SEE MY GRAY WORLD COMMENT EARLIER IN THE THREAD.

DEATH TO GRAY!!! But I do admit a little more subtley could be a positive.

Good on your mother and sister, and it's a shame they had to experience that.

No doubt.

Familiarizing and grandstanding are two separate things. In no way should you be speaking on behalf of the females out there doing these things. It's not your place to tell them what is right and wrong. This is a decision that should solely be left to the individuals.

SO true!! Hence why I mentioned to Miss Marz in my second post, that I got got some really awesome women that she might want to meet. Do you really think i was trying to grandstand?

ONCE AGAIN SEE GRAY WORLD POST MADE EARLIER IN THIS THREAD.

Damn grey!

That is probably one of the largest ad hominems I've ever seen you spout off. I'd say my understanding on the difficulties for women is pretty good. I was raised in a single parent family for the better part of my life by my mother. In no way do I feel the need to subject my thoughts on how these women choose to live their lives. Not once has my mother been subjecated because of her sex in the workplace. After years of work she holds a prominent position in the administration at the UBC School of Music, it was her hard work that put her there above many males.

But youre not a women right? And whether you think your mother was subjegated or not is irrelevent. Im not going to counter you on that statment, shes your moms afterall. What I am going to counter with, is if we understand that we live in a world of a specific oppression, what helps, and what harms? Sensitivity or dismissal of said oppression?

The only one degrading women in this thread is you.

Weak james, really weak. I wrote a couple of posts, countered your glib bullshit, and suggested to the person i was talking to, that if she ever wants to meet some cool women I know, in leadership and political organizing roles, that she should come out to an event sometime. Nothing more, nothing less.

[fable]

Originally Posted by C_squared

man when you try to have some fun there's always someone there to kill the buzz.

Yeah, thats exactly what Im trying to do 'los. Kill your buzz.

[fable]

Originally Posted by zarlon

Funny, neither am I... nor are most of the women I know.

Strength of self my friend.

So the problem with oppressed, exploitated, abused women is that they are just weak? WOW! Why didnt I realize that?

[fable]

Miss Marz: James did raise an extremely relevent point, and that revolved around the fact that as a man I should know my particular roles, and where and when I should intercede or interject. I just wanted to drop an alternate idea, but in no way was I, or would I, make a value judgement on your freinds, or people you know that are involved in stripping. The best I can do, and should do is support women in THEIR struggle. But with saying that, I connect gender oppression with class oppression and racism, both of which I am very familiar with.

Like I mentioned before, It would be cool to see you out a political event sometime, and I could introduce you to some really cool heads, but if it aint your thing, then it aint your thing.

pc.ez
shak

[fable]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

Soooo basically because he's a White Anglo-Saxon Male that makes him ignorant?

/devils advocate

Well mr devil, Im curious to what YOU think?

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by fable

Its kind of scary, how we as a society can accept such an exploitative sexist establishment.

words of a man who's never been to a peeler bar with a chick before.

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by fable

Well mr devil, Im curious to what YOU think?

I think it's all been pretty much summed up by everyone else already.

Why flog a dead Horse?

[C_squared]

Originally Posted by fable

Yeah, thats exactly what Im trying to do 'los. Kill your buzz.

please don't though... I happen to enjoy peelers.

[sNyx]

I saw 5 posts in a row up there fabs, I usually step out at 3. Your pushing the budget. Step away with the fact you layed down solid thinking, not how you attempted to battle evry person on FNK who ever enjoyed the skin bar. Relax, go watch some p0rn.

[Skitzo_Style]

Originally Posted by fable

Miss Marz: James did raise an extremely relevent point, and that revolved around the fact that as a man I should know my particular roles, and where and when I should intercede or interject. I just wanted to drop an alternate idea, but in no way was I, or would I, make a value judgement on your freinds, or people you know that are involved in stripping. The best I can do, and should do is support women in THEIR struggle. But with saying that, I connect gender oppression with class oppression and racism, both of which I am very familiar with.

Like I mentioned before, It would be cool to see you out a political event sometime, and I could introduce you to some really cool heads, but if it aint your thing, then it aint your thing.

pc.ez
shak

I for one am not for strip clubs, but i can defiantly say that this guy is in dire need to get a lap dance.....

jesus christ man! it's great that you want to change the world and make sexism a thing of the past, but did you ever even take a moment to think that maybe the best way to make a change in the world is from the inside, not the outside?

girls can become strippers, strippers can become managers, managers can become investors, investors can become guess what? owners! and owners can change the rules to what they see fit. did you know that there is an increasing number of burlesque houses and strip clubs that are primarily female owned? and ran? at least these woman are making a killing of a living off of their "so called" oppressors.

you want to talk about REAL female oppression? start a thread about women's right's in the middle east and all of the acts of atrocity and oppression that occur every fucking day out there! don't come into a thread about a girl who went to a strip and had a good time.

ya wanna fight the good fight? fine, but stop being such a fucking parasite on threads that do not require self-righteous bullshit!

and for fuck sakes, GET LAID MAN! you're estrogen levels are waaaay to high!

[SmokeOne]

I say all to it if a girl wants to go to the peelers..actually I have lots fo gf's that like going to them..and they all hava n awesome time when we do..Just caouse the is a girl up there dancin naked it doesnt automaticaly (say shit i have personal issues in life so this is what i am going to do)..I know a few strippers and they are some of the most level headed girls I know..Just cause they dance naked makes them less of a human being..fuck what ever..it is just the human body..people dance at a clubs all the time granted they have cloths on ..but really what the fuck is the difference..its all self expression..if that is the way they (strippers) like to do it then so be it..Dont rip on them just because of what they are doing for a job or lifestyle..It is ultimatly their choice...I love the peelers and I will probably always go not to just look at hot naked women..but just for something different to do. As for Maggie screw what some guys think if you like going go.

[MissMarz]

Skitzo and Smoke One... I'm not even going to bother to quote, but basically couldnt have said it better myself. Done and done.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Skitzo_Style

and for fuck sakes, GET LAID MAN! you're estrogen levels are waaaay to high!

Haha, that doesnt even make sense!?!?! But nonetheless steady sex is all good, but thanks for the concern.

Your comment about the middle east is one sided, somewhat loaded, and whether you like to think it or not, has been propegated from racist mainstream media

The remark about women working from the inside is interesting though. Ill think on that one!

peace/ez
shak

[fable]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

words of a man who's never been to a peeler bar with a chick before.

Me and the Cecil/No5 and a few close friends (now either dead or lost) have a very torrid history. Your comment is just assumption and irrelevency. How does knowing female freinds who enjoy a lap dance or two or more, disprove or negate any of the ideas I brought up?