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Feb 12, 04
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Abortion and Suicide
So I read an article recently that said a woman who has had an abortion is 4 times more likely to die than a woman who has given birth.
Basically, it said women who have an abortion are more likely to get murdered or commit suicide than women who have had children or had a miscarriage. Being that I am pro-choice, this study bothered me. I thought "How can they say that? This is stupid." But then I started to think about it in depth. Abortion is a HUGE deal for someone. Pro-Life people can say what they like, but women who choose abortion aren;t just readily doing it. It's not like they can get rid of a fetus and not think twice about it. It is a HARD decision with no easy answers. Abortion is a touchy issue. It is complex. But sadly, I agree with the pro-life people that abortion makes some women suicidal. Having to live with the guilt of ending something's existance is HARSH. It's depression, you'd think. I think the guilt and the sadness and the anger and the confusion is enough to make someone take their own life. The depression after such trauma seems to be too much. http://www.afterabortion.org/PAR/V8/n2/finland.html (that;s the article) What are your thoughts? 
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Feb 12, 04
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BIG PISS OFF
Okay - so there is a higher chance of suicide , post abortion rather then post chilbirth no surprise there what this study can never show is the fact that women who have had abortions have felt that they could not have the baby for whatever reason - they have a made a choice So if those who chose to have abortions had magically been forced not to - does that mean they would not have committed suicide? that can't be answered the question isn't usually 'what is safer for a woman - abortion or birth?' It's not normally 'safety' that is the driving factor behind a womans choice to have a baby or not How many abortions are linked to rape? to one night stands? to sex that should have never happened? What about the quality of life for those children if the woman didn't have a right to choose? how many of them would grow up and be someone how less then productive members of society..how many more children would be forced to live in poverty? How many more single mothers would there be (the largest poverty striken group in our country is the single mother) the thing that really pisses me off about studies like this is that Pro-life people will take it and use it as evidence about the evils of abortion "the increased risk of suicide after an induced abortion may therefore be a consequence of the procedure itself."(6) - rather then seeing that this as evidence that abortion is a huge emotional ordeal that requires funding for post procedural conselling - especially when the group that appears to be most effected is teens who are already facing such challenging emotional times. The end of the study points out many of it's short comings..so I don't have to
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then again i've never been in that kinda situation, but if i were to ever get pregnant before turning 25 i'll be booking an appointment. the study isn't surprising tho, most the girls i know who've gotten abortions got issues...and drinking and whoring themselves out is how they like to deal with them.
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i don;t think whoring yourself out and drinking and doing drugs to deal with the abortion is a concious thing.
i think that the pain is just too much, and people drink and do stupid shit when they are sad. hooray depression and post traumatic stress syndrome!
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like putting a dog down... are u kidding?
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personally I think people should have the choice
if someone feels that they arent able or dont want to care of the child, then why bring another unloved baby into this world. It wouldnt be fair to the child growing up knowing their mother didnt want them (in the case of adoption) and what about rape victims that get pregnant would it really be fair to force them to have the child? Im not saying abortions are the right thing to do always, but people should still have the choice
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i think its different for each person. there are some chicks out there that use abortion as a form of birth control... and i really dont think that is ok at all.
but there are many females out there who need that option. what if you are a sixteen year old, its your first time condom breaks and you get pregnant? a child cant raise a child, and they should have the option of abortion. what if a woman is raped by a man with dark hair when she is blonde, and her baby is born with dark hair and dark eyes, can she look it in the face? i knew of a girl who gave birth to her baby after being raped, and she couldnt look her baby in the eyes, and it was hard for her to attatch ehrself to it. however she felt she couldnt handle the guilt of abortion. but back to the topic, diffferent women handle it differently. some feel guilt, others feel nothing. personly i would find it harder to give a child up for adoption then to have an abortion.
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^ you can be as responsible as you want, it doesn't guarantee that you're safe against pregnancy. the only way you can protect yourself 100% against pregnancy is to not have sex at all.
adoption isn't always about the mother not wanting the child. it can just as easily be the mother simply wanting her child to have a good life and good parents that can give the child what she can't. Last edited by charly; Feb 12, 04 at 07:07 PM.
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Feb 13, 04
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Personally, I think that it totally depends on the person, just like in any other situation. Each different individual will react differently.
My mom had an abortion at 19 - no counselling - and she was and still is 100% sure of her decision. Not to say that she didn't feel bad/guilty, but she made the right decision for herself at that point in her life. However, I know that if I were ever put in her situation, and I chose to have an abortion, I would definitely need some sort of counselling and/or therapy because I tend to be very emotional, easily depressed, and I also tend to question and hesitate to make big decisions for fear of making the wrong decision. Cheryl, adoption is all well and good in premise, but so many children who are put up for adoption are never adopted and they just float from foster home to foster home throughout their childhood, never really having a 'real' family, or a 'real' upbringing. Personally, I would rather not be put through that, or put anyone else through that.
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Feb 13, 04
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Head games, Head Games, Head games......Anyone...I repeat Anyone who commits suicide is just not right in the head. Even though and abortion must be an extremly stresfull experience at the same time you must consider the up bringing you will give to that child because bottom line it aint fair to have a child when you are a child because you kid will end up with a warped sense of right and wrong and be a menace to society. Having a child there is no easy answer but commiting sucide is just stupid. Anyone who commits suicide is simply weak and not physically weak but mentaly weak.
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DEAR ASSHATS: CAUSALITY NOT EXPLAINED BY ANY ETHICAL RESEARCH PERTAINING TO THESE TWO VARIABLES.
Correlational research can make no claims on causality, whether abortions cause suicide, whether suicide causes abortions, or if both are caused by some other factor. So unless they're taking women, giving half of them abortions and half of them not, then not telling them whether or not they had an abortion then seeing which ones off themselves, any spin or claims that anybody's putting on this is thoroughly a) unscientific and b) biased.
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It just doesn't help if they've got pro-lifers comparing them to Hitler at all. I'm pro-choice, but I really REALLY don't think anybody should make that choice until they have to. It's really naieve to simply look at it as that simple. Keep that in mind.
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you dont know until you are there.
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It's a tough senerio to be placed in no doubt. I have been placed in this situation with one of my ex girlfriends and we basically spent several days talking about it and going over all possible angles and we figured t that time in our lives it just wasn't the time or the place in our lives where we felt we could handle that resposability and preassure. It's a huge, nope, massive undertaking that should be well and I mean well thought out in advance. Pro Choice. And remember there's always people at FNK that care.
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