DJ's ain't real musician's

[normal josh]

wow... what a conversation, as a person who likes to call himself a dj, who also played the drums (and absrtact bass) i dont really care what you want to call me (only speaking for myself). yes there are dj's that are nothing but jukeboxes like top 40's dj's in a pool, like pool west, where they give you records and tell you what to play. then there are those who scratch, (witch as of last year the technic 1200 is now recognized in some prestigious university in the states as a musical instumant) then yes you are a musician. if you mix records then yes i belive that you are a musician, through your creativity over what some one else in the world has done you take what you like and then leave the rest and you use that with something else that you like, then you are also a musician

as the dictionary says a musician is someone who preforms music then all dj's would be considered musicians, altho they are not preforming it in the clasic sence of having a guitar up on stage, but they are onstage making music come out therfore they are musicians

[Mr.Dave]

Originally posted by kid icarus:
as the dictionary says a musician is someone who preforms music then all dj's would be considered musicians, altho they are not preforming it in the clasic sence of having a guitar up on stage, but they are onstage making music come out therfore they are musicians

I think your interpretation of perform is a little weak. By that I could be considered a musician for turning on my car stereo.

[Wood]

Originally posted by kid icarus
as the dictionary says a musician is someone who preforms music then all dj's would be considered musicians, altho they are not preforming it in the clasic sence of having a guitar up on stage, but they are onstage making music come out therfore they are musicians

i think that's taking the definition a little too loosely, i'd only consider someone a musician if they are performing in a way that a) requires at least some basic knowledge of music theory, or b) involves creating tones or rhythms that are not played back from a previous recording. So i would consider most turntablists to be avant-garde musicians, but a DJ mixing records... no. It's a skill and an artform unto itself but it is not musicianship.

[normal josh]

Originally posted by Mr.Dave


I think your interpretation of perform is a little weak. By that I could be considered a musician for turning on my car stereo.

well like i said i was only speaking for myself, and the whole point i was trying to make was that calling someone a misician is like calling someone an artist and who am i to call anyone an artist

and yes if you turn your car stereo on, and play a jonny cash tribute then yes you are a musician

[Akeel]

this topic has been beat to death endlessly.

dj's suck.

[Bevvy Swift]

wow! what a heated argument over such a small statement! what do we consider musicians these days? is someone who plays in an orchestra (but doesn't write any music) a musician? but of course, we think. they are playing an instrument. so a musician is someone who plays an nstument, right? therefore, the real question is: are turntables instruments? you DAMN RIGHT they are! but for a dj to be considered a musician, he must use his turntables to create his own sound i.e. scratching. THEREFORE, ONLY DJ'S WHO CAN SCRATCH ARE MUSICIANS!

[soma]

k.....

Never have I once played a track I've made in a dj set. the day I do I'll consider my self a producer.

how ever

I play 4 insturments and read and right music so how can you make your

"DJ's ain't real musician's "

with out being comletely ignorant...

I guess cuz we are posting on a public forum and you don't know me or (once a again I'm just guessing) a lot of the peeps on this board.

and if we were musicians why the hell would we call our selves djs...

[Sean]

Wood said it best!

[DJ Schmikel]

prop's to soma haha, think about a transition, not only does it take skill/time&patience/and the creativity in your own mind. but what is beat matching? making two sounds not just match but be translinked, into forming a new sound, new experience, for those listening. You have some musicitional touch if you can do what it takes to learn your own style on how to use whats in front of you.

why does a musician play a part solo in an orchestra from the rest of the group at one point in the song there playing? because he or she has musical talent from the next person that would do a solo playing someone else's written music and putting there own clash of creativity heart and soul into it.


if i called myself a musician would it bother you?

[Akeel]

^
if you were just mixing records together, yes.

[baby_bluez]

Originally posted by everone666
That's right.

What do ya'll got to say about that eh?


Exception to producer's of course.

Luv Ever. :c-tard:

I dissagree with you on one condition. A GOOD dj IS a musician. Because in order to be good with beatmatching and knowing WHEN to mix a song etc... you have to have some sort of musicianship in you. For some mixes it takes a lot of careful calculating and a very good ear to get it right. The Dj's that are just "mixing" tracks... maybe aren't musicians but the ones that take pride and care and put lots of practise and dedication into spinning are. :keebler:

[mugsy]

so if a dj isnt a musician does that mean a photographer isnt an artist?
even the crappy djs are musicians. i dont truely know how to play the guitar, but i'll pick it up and start playin on it making music, it wont be good but its still music. i sure as hell dont know how to dj but ill get up there and try to mix two songs together, i wont succeed but im still making music.

[Akeel]

^
i have to disagree there...crappy dj's are exactly that and nothing more.

is a top 40 mobile dj a musician? i dont think anyone will argue that one....

[Ryan Ross]

IM GOING TO BEAT A DEAD HORSE!

A turntable is an instrument when used like one. ie. crazy scratching, beat juggling and any sort of dmc madness.

For me theres an iffy line for djs who just mix, theres a whole spectrum of what people can do when blending 2 tracks together that varies in creativity and musical know how. So im not going to make a blanket statement saying a dj is or isnt a musician.

point to think about---> for people saying people who do dmc stuff are musicians, im assuming its because they make new rhythms and hense create music (like a drummer). So wouldnt a dj who brings in only certain beats and sounds (cutting highs or lows ect...) from another record at certain times to highlight the track thats playing, putting emphasis on new beats and creating a new feel then also be creating new rythms while just mixing 2 tracks together?

Im still torn on the issue, just something to think about

[ƒORM]

Well if the ppl who blow into bottles to create different sounds are called musicians then I'm Dj Mozart :D

[rawb]

DJ's have far to many regular gigs and get paid way too much to be considered 'musicians'.

[Rytalin]

bla bla bla

Look ma
I can shit out my mouth too

DJs= DISC JOCKEYS ok?

[mugsy]

ok i go back to my origional statement...

is a photographer an artist?
(is a DJ a MUSICIAN?)

its the same sort of question, with the same sort of answer, with varied opinions.

[Wood]

^how is that the same? Does a photographer take other peoples finished works and overlap them slightly? What does a DJ do that's similar to photography?

both are artists, neither are musicians. and...

he plays the trumpet when spinning and thats fucking talent right there.. so wahtever everyones entitled to their own opinions but if anything theres a dj taht is a counter example

well i don't think anyone would dispute that a TRUMPET PLAYER is a musician... regardless of whether or not he's also DJing....

[Wood]

Originally posted by DJ Schmikel
but what is beat matching? making two sounds not just match but be translinked, into forming a new sound, new experience, for those listening. You have some musicitional touch if you can do what it takes to learn your own style on how to use whats in front of you.

"translinked"? "musicitional"??

I CALL BS

[Sean]

lol

[soma]

^"boom ka boom boom ka, boom ka boom boom ka, the next station is...."

[mugsy]

ok but a photographer does not create, they take what is already there and reuse it, taking pictures, reformating the image. are they still an artist even though they dont create the image?
or how about a painter who paints stright from a picture, they are not creating something new but are they still an artist?

maybe im just nieve and walk around with m hands over my eyes, but in my heart i think djs are musicains and are artists.

art is art, music is music. hell music is art. look up the futurists, it was a movement that totally broke down the meaning of music and noise and what is was to create it. how music simply borrows sounds we already know\recognize somewhere, and how the baby in the crib that bangs his rattle against the crib making a beat is making music.

again, maybe im wrong, but i belive this is a topic that is totally meant to have different meanings to different people.

[Wood]

^very good points, but i think what i was getting at was that being a DJ doesn't neccessarily make you a musician, just as taking a photograph doesn't neccessarily make you an artist. Either can be done artfully, and turntables can definitely be used musically - i just don't think the act of simply mixing track to track can be considered a performance of musicianship. I mean really it depends on how you define 'music' - i don't agree with the futurist definition, because then any act of making a noise is considered music so what's to distinguish an act of making music (by the traditional definition) from any incidental sound.

[Akeel]

i heard wood plays the oboe.