House & Trance

[MissMarz]

the majority of fnk members are into house, breaks and speed garage therefor they always represent room 2s or second stages. The only reason vancouver brings down so many trance headliners is because at raves, its majority goes for the trance. Not trying to be racist, but have u seen the main room at parties? 90% what race? u can take a guess. These people dont come on fnk, most of them anyways. And they are the ones that buy most the tickets to raves,and therefor they get trance headliners because that is what they want! House headliners are absolutely everywhere - just not at raves. The vancouver house and breaks scene club wise is unbeliveable this year! Have u seen the people they are bringing down? Its unbelievable. So that is why people bump room 2 on fnk. Plain and simple.

[b0ld]

Originally Posted by wizzfish

im siding with alje here.....electronica structure is found in basically all structured forms of....electronica. Trance is there, house is there....only thing i'd say breaks free of it would be IDM and organic stuff.

heh believe it or not breakcore which some people try to categorize as IDM does indeed have a beat structure.... its not a 4/4 signature... its actually considered as a 7/4 beat structure..... infact if you take a look at pink floyd's track "money" it is also a 7/4 beat structure

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by b0ld

heh believe it or not breakcore which some people try to categorize as IDM does indeed have a beat structure.... its not a 4/4 signature... its actually considered as a 7/4 beat structure..... infact if you take a look at pink floyd's track "money" it is also a 7/4 beat structure

oops i forgot to through in the "standard structure" yes idm has structure, just very unique (therefore if you WERE to dj it for the first time it may through you for a bit of a loop i'd imagine).

[mapleleaf4ever]

^ Look at the people that make IDM. It looks as if most of them have gone through a few Loops themselves. lol

[r a m a z e]

guess you people didnt hear me say not all the time. but most of the time.....

[FeelGood]

Originally Posted by projectone

No no little boy. You didnt just come in here and say "I like Trance Better!" You had to come in here and say that Trance DJs are better then House DJs.
Had you come in here and said that, no one would have cared. You would have just been another person who likes trance. There are lots on here who like trance and we all get along!

THATS what got me mad!

You need to go back to Nexopia or www.ilovetiestio.com or something and talk on there.
I think WizzFish made you a nice little forum! http://www.fnk.ca/board/showthread.php?t=95210

pardon my french but, shut the fuck up.
quit ragging on the new guy because it doesn't make you look any cooler.

[FeelGood]

Originally Posted by MissMarz

the majority of fnk members are into house, breaks and speed garage therefor they always represent room 2s or second stages. The only reason vancouver brings down so many trance headliners is because at raves, its majority goes for the trance. Not trying to be racist, but have u seen the main room at parties? 90% what race? u can take a guess. These people dont come on fnk, most of them anyways. And they are the ones that buy most the tickets to raves,and therefor they get trance headliners because that is what they want! House headliners are absolutely everywhere - just not at raves. The vancouver house and breaks scene club wise is unbeliveable this year! Have u seen the people they are bringing down? Its unbelievable. So that is why people bump room 2 on fnk. Plain and simple.

thank you. that was well said.

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by b0ld

heh believe it or not breakcore which some people try to categorize as IDM does indeed have a beat structure.... its not a 4/4 signature... its actually considered as a 7/4 beat structure..... infact if you take a look at pink floyd's track "money" it is also a 7/4 beat structure

all the breakcore i've ever heard has been 4/4 - don't know what tunes you've been listening too...

[Shoreih]

Come on guys....Trance must be the hardest to mix!! Look how much trouble Ben Shir has! ;)

[ppcock]

Originally Posted by Decibel

K so what Ive noticed from posts is most of you guys seem to like House music over Trance.........your always talkin about second stage! Then why are they brining trance Headliners and puttin trance in the mainroom when it sounds like it should be the other way around. I mean I like all types of music......I spin trance but there are times when you just need to listen to house. So whats the verdict house or trance?

Acid techno

[ppcock]

Originally Posted by MissMarz

the majority of fnk members are into house, breaks and speed garage therefor they always represent room 2s or second stages. The only reason vancouver brings down so many trance headliners is because at raves, its majority goes for the trance. Not trying to be racist, but have u seen the main room at parties? 90% what race? u can take a guess. These people dont come on fnk, most of them anyways. And they are the ones that buy most the tickets to raves,and therefor they get trance headliners because that is what they want! House headliners are absolutely everywhere - just not at raves. The vancouver house and breaks scene club wise is unbeliveable this year! Have u seen the people they are bringing down? Its unbelievable. So that is why people bump room 2 on fnk. Plain and simple.

nice post.. I'll be imagining you spinning trance naked tonight.


Its actually funny, when stan brought out yoji biomehanika. A good chunk of the main room left. The super headliner.

I dont think people actually go for the trance, miss.

People go to parties today cause its the thing to do, they dont understand the music at all. There's maybe 10% of total party population that actually know what's going on.
I've had people come up to me after a set (at a trance party) and say "you spin good techno"

trance people.. NOT TECHNO.

and techno is not eiffel 65

techno is....
http://www.bangingtunes.com/mp3/prmt064_a.mp3 some acid techno
http://www.bangingtunes.com/mp3/bpatt005_a.mp3 banging techno
http://www.bangingtunes.com/mp3/csk008_a.mp3 hard techno (schranz)
http://www.bangingtunes.com/mp3/cannibal003_a.mp3 another great track, schranz

THAT my raver friends is what techno is!

[FeelGood]

Originally Posted by Shoreih

Come on guys....Trance must be the hardest to mix!! Look how much trouble Ben Shir has! ;)

add blank and jones to that list.

[ppcock]

Best trance dj ever live.. taucher or sakin.

taucher know's how to control the crowd

sakin cant speak any english but he knows how to make a set sound wicked.

[MissMarz]

Originally Posted by ppcock

nice post.. I'll be imagining you spinning trance naked tonight.


Its actually funny, when stan brought out yoji biomehanika. A good chunk of the main room left. The super headliner.

I dont think people actually go for the trance, miss.

People go to parties today cause its the thing to do, they dont understand the music at all. There's maybe 10% of total party population that actually know what's going on.
I've had people come up to me after a set (at a trance party) and say "you spin good techno"

trance people.. NOT TECHNO.

and techno is not eiffel 65

techno is....
http://www.bangingtunes.com/mp3/prmt064_a.mp3 some acid techno
http://www.bangingtunes.com/mp3/bpatt005_a.mp3 banging techno
http://www.bangingtunes.com/mp3/csk008_a.mp3 hard techno (schranz)
http://www.bangingtunes.com/mp3/cannibal003_a.mp3 another great track, schranz

THAT my raver friends is what techno is!

yeah even if they dont know wtf is going on... if u put a house dj up on stage in room1 people would fucken bottle the poor soul. they want trance, wether they know it or not.

[MissMarz]

Originally Posted by ppcock

nice post.. I'll be imagining you spinning trance naked tonight.

Not in your wildest dreams!

[ppcock]

dreams
imagination

same diff.

I prefer playing the smaller parties. They understand the music and the dj can play anything... as long as the track selections are top notch.

[nabs]

Well Said, bravo!!!

Originally Posted by DetN8R

House and Trance are different in NAME ONLY. Both do the boring 1234 2234 3234 4234 over and over and over. Both can sound boring when mixed PvD robot style. Both can be trainwrecked just as easily Paul Joakenfold lookatmeidid18linesofblow style. Both can sound great and be mixed very creatively Eddie Halliwell threedeckswhilescratching style. The trick is not to limit one's self to one style and say i'm a trance dj and i only play hard euphoric uplifting bouncey yourmom style trance. That shit is boring. I respect DJs more who spin a wide array of music and don't just MIX well (technically, to the bar, 4,16,32,64,128,256,512 steeze), whilst incorporating the odd cut, scratch, or beatjuggle, but pay attention to flow and make their sets a 'journey' so to speak. Anyone can say they play multiple genres and go from house to trance or vice versa, but anyone who mixes from yoji biomehanika to ian pooley is straight up laughable.

In short, NO, trance is not harder to mix than house, NO, house is not harder to mix than trance. Some people just try to justify the fact that they can't mix better and couldn't mix house to save their life (or trance). You have to have a real ear for music to understand what sounds mix well together and which ones clash. No, I'm not talking about beatmatching, I'm talking about melody, and the KEY of a track. Mixing is EASY, mixing WELL is hard. Anyone can beatmatch, but few people can keymatch and blend tracks, let alone different styles easily.

Think about that shit before you say one is EASIER to mix than the other.

[nabs]

i know a lot of people that think techno is everything, haha. any kind of electronica is techno to them. lol.

[Bevvy Swift]

Originally Posted by MissMarz

the majority of fnk members are into house, breaks and speed garage therefor they always represent room 2s or second stages. The only reason vancouver brings down so many trance headliners is because at raves, its majority goes for the trance. Not trying to be racist, but have u seen the main room at parties? 90% what race? u can take a guess. These people dont come on fnk, most of them anyways. And they are the ones that buy most the tickets to raves,and therefor they get trance headliners because that is what they want! House headliners are absolutely everywhere - just not at raves. The vancouver house and breaks scene club wise is unbeliveable this year! Have u seen the people they are bringing down? Its unbelievable. So that is why people bump room 2 on fnk. Plain and simple.

outposted. i was gonna say the same

[ppcock]

actually


i beg to differ with that.

Trance can be easy to spin..

As long as you know where to put your tracks, beatmatching and mixing is one thing. Track selection and the ability to create an atmosphere that will hold dancers on the floor is the most important part in my opinion.

Unfortunetly, when you get to the slow, dark, progressive stuff.. That usually clears it.


But, if a trance dj can work from really light fluffy progressive to full on butt rock goa trance (and make it sound good), he/she gets my kudos and a boat full of weed.

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by DetN8R

In short, NO, trance is not harder to mix than house, NO, house is not harder to mix than trance. Some people just try to justify the fact that they can't mix better and couldn't mix house to save their life (or trance). You have to have a real ear for music to understand what sounds mix well together and which ones clash. No, I'm not talking about beatmatching, I'm talking about melody, and the KEY of a track. Mixing is EASY, mixing WELL is hard. Anyone can beatmatch, but few people can keymatch and blend tracks, let alone different styles easily.

Think about that shit before you say one is EASIER to mix than the other.

Theres a slight difference, House is more sensitive to pitch bends, but trance also has its share of sketchy points...

Not to rag on ya Alje, I think you misunderstand the word key hehe, essentially no one can keymatch unless you can reproduce the track on the spot and put the melody and everything in a diff key, with records alone the key changes cuase the pitch affects the key slightly... just to clarify for everyone who doesnt know what is being said... in music the key of a melody (or tune as some other muscians like to call) is generally the first note of a melody, and that determines what key the bassline should be started in aswell (e.g. the first note)... aswell as any other element in the track.

With mixing there is key clashing but most of the time its avoidable, especially if you can mix properly. A good dj would test out EVERY record with every possible record combination to know what tracks clash and not to do those mixes live.

I however think true skill is determined by a dj that can compensate for a fucked up mix quickly, or also know the cue points of the track. Also to add some mid-phrase cue points. That coupled with good mixing, generally any playing around of the tracks (beatjuggling, backspins, scratching etc,) should be left for breaks since its more flexible to play with and usually is dubbed as the "Hip-Hop" of Electronica.

[BenGiovanni]

Originally Posted by MissMarz

Not in your wildest dreams!

But I recall you being in my wildest dreams....
oooo0000000000ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
hahahhaha oh wow your soo gonna hit me at Darude for that one...

actually, heres a proposition... ill let you spin one track at Darude ;)
and it has to be trance... none of that shit I hear on the radio either.

[Bevvy Swift]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

A good dj would test out EVERY record with every possible record combination to know what tracks clash and not to do those mixes live.

i disagree. a good dj has too many records to try every combination, thus he uses his intuition to know what will work or not without having to try it first.

[MissMarz]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

But I recall you being in my wildest dreams....
oooo0000000000ooooooooooooooooooooooooo
hahahhaha oh wow your soo gonna hit me at Darude for that one...

actually, heres a proposition... ill let you spin one track at Darude ;)
and it has to be trance... none of that shit I hear on the radio either.

oh no u didnt!
i'm gonna play hit my heart by dht just to totally piss u off! bahahaha
- joke people.

[project.one]

Originally Posted by MissMarz

oh no u didnt!
i'm gonna play hit my heart by dht just to totally piss u off! bahahaha
- joke people.

Id come to see that!