House & Trance

[nabs]

Trance Trance, blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah , trance trance, cuz these are the lives we love to live, cuz blah blah blah blah, trance trance. trance trance.


im bored.

[Allya]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

Theres a slight difference, House is more sensitive to pitch bends, but trance also has its share of sketchy points...

Totally untrue. Trance being the more melodic of the two is just as susceptible to pitch bends. That's why you can tell when a mix has gone bad when the melody changes pitch like crazy as the shitty dj slows down or speeds up the track frantically to keep the two in tempo.

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

Theres a slight difference, House is more sensitive to pitch bends, but trance also has its share of sketchy points...

Not to rag on ya Alje, I think you misunderstand the word key hehe, essentially no one can keymatch unless you can reproduce the track on the spot and put the melody and everything in a diff key, with records alone the key changes cuase the pitch affects the key slightly... just to clarify for everyone who doesnt know what is being said... in music the key of a melody (or tune as some other muscians like to call) is generally the first note of a melody, and that determines what key the bassline should be started in aswell (e.g. the first note)... aswell as any other element in the track.

With mixing there is key clashing but most of the time its avoidable, especially if you can mix properly. A good dj would test out EVERY record with every possible record combination to know what tracks clash and not to do those mixes live.

No, I know what 'key' means. Maybe I didn't make my meaning clear. Tracks that are in the same or a similar key can better blend together. Listen carefully to one of Taucher's sets and you'll know what I mean.

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

I however think true skill is determined by a dj that can compensate for a fucked up mix quickly, or also know the cue points of the track. Also to add some mid-phrase cue points. That coupled with good mixing, generally any playing around of the tracks (beatjuggling, backspins, scratching etc,) should be left for breaks since its more flexible to play with and usually is dubbed as the "Hip-Hop" of Electronica.

If a DJ is truly skilled as you say they shouldn't have fucked up mixes in the first place. If a DJ is able to recover from a trainwreck, kudos, but it still happened. True talent comes not from memorizing cue points but from anticipating cue points. Giving a DJ two tracks they've never heard and hearing them mix flawlessly because they were able to anticipate where a melody would start or stop, where a drumline would kick in, etc. Anyone can memorize cue points, but not everyone can intuitively know when to mix.

As for scratching, tricks, etc, fine, traditionally they are hiphop and turntablism elements. But you say leave them to breaks? I think Eddie Halliwell would beg to differ, my friend. Can I do it and make it sound good everytime? Hell no, I have yet to teach myself that inate skill. But can it sound good? Most definitely. Watch one of Hirshee's sets for example. Techniques be they mixing, turntablist, fire-blowing a la dj swamp, or otherwise, should not be limited to one genre or sub-genre of music IMO.

[Skitzo_Style]

Originally Posted by BenGiovanni

A good dj would test out EVERY record with every possible record combination to know what tracks clash and not to do those mixes live.

there is an exception to this rule, and that is if you spin hard house/ trance/ hard trance/ hard-on trance/ hard style or whatever the fuck people are calling that repetative shit that they had to re-named so fuckin frequently because it sounds so fucking dumb, due to the fact that you can pick up a trance record and throw it on a turntable and mix it into another trance record, even if you have never heard either of the tracks before, and mix them without flaw (trust me, i've done it before.)

now before all of you trance dj's get your vagina's tied in a knot, i just wanted to let you all know that i'm happy for you guys. someone has to spin the less-intellegent electronica in vancouver, and i couldn't be happier than having you fine people provide this civil service. it's kinda like jury duty: nobody wants to do it, but the unlucky ones have to.

[ppcock]

a good dj wouldnt plan his sets either.

[Sykonee]

You know, reading this thread, something struck me regarding the massives with multiple rooms...

It seems folks tend to migrate to the rooms where their favorite style of music is being played, so if that's the case, why would anyone want to spend an obscene amount of cash to go to a massive where they'll only be hanging out at the smaller rooms anyways? Headliners for those rooms, I suppose, but wouldn't it make more sense for those promoters of those styles of music to just get their own venue, and throw a cheaper, more intimate party? Or am I just missing something regarding having parties in Vancouver in general?

[Tayfoon]

lol


Raves are shit

Trance is for kids

Thats why you see all the house djs in clubs

[Tayfoon]

Originally Posted by Big R

trance is harder to spin then house cus most house songs use that simple
1234 2234 type beat where as trance is so versatile hence makin trance djs more skilled..but tthats not true in come cases but most of the time

Bullshit

Trance is always the same fomulatic shit and its the easiest thing to mix out of any genre

House has different elements in each track


Get a clue then talk

[Skitzo_Style]

Originally Posted by Big R

trance is harder to spin then house cus most house songs use that simple
1234 2234 type beat where as trance is so versatile hence makin trance djs more skilled..but tthats not true in come cases but most of the time

you really don't believe that bullshit you wrote there do you?

cause no one else will.

think before you speak, dude. (well in this case, write.)

[Clayton.]

Originally Posted by Tayfoon

lol


Raves are shit

Trance is for kids

Thats why you see all the house djs in clubs

This why i won't be attending any raves in the near future.

[Skitzo_Style]

amen.

[b0ld]

Originally Posted by Big R

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trance is harder to spin then house cus most house songs use that simple
1234 2234 type beat where as trance is so versatile hence makin trance djs more skilled..but tthats not true in come cases but most of

your kiddin me right??? please do your homework before you post again....

[r a m a z e]

i was jokin

[project.one]

Originally Posted by Big R

i was jokin

bull fucking shit you were joking. youve been trying to defend yourself at every turn as hard as you can. just cuz you know you fucked up dont try to pull out with "it was just a joke!"

and stop posting "........." in every thread!

[Tayfoon]

lol@ back peddling

[tBl0w]

hahahahah^^ vagina in a knot, hahahahaha ^^

anyways trance is like the sludge at the bottom of the shit heap... house is over trance anytime...
~~one word here thats were missing.... 'breaks..!'

[Tayfoon]

This thread has some of the dumbest posts in fnk history

People who dont have a clue shouldnt talk like they are professionals

Pulling shit out your ass doesnt make you look cool

[MarcelM]

A wise Philosopher from Germany said 1 century ago: ( my own translation so it´s not perfect... ). You have to be quiet over issues you don´t know shit about... Or if you don´t know what you are talking about you better be quiet.
( Ludwig Wittgenstein)

[ppcock]

Originally Posted by Tayfoon

Bullshit

Trance is always the same fomulatic shit and its the easiest thing to mix out of any genre

House has different elements in each track


Get a clue then talk

Now you guys know me and im all about not backing up idiots. But, i think he means the way trance is spun.

A lot of dj's who spin other genres, are constantly mixing. Its deffinitely harder to mix if you dont plan on leaving the song on for the whole 5-10 minutes.

Techno, breaks, dnb, hardcore, speed garage, the list goes on.. you can totally start mixing in 30 seconds after cueing in the record.

Goa trance.. not so much though, there is tons of different elements that complete goa and mixing in after 30 secs - 4 minutes is extremely difficult, i mean its possible.. but the chances the mix is going to sound good are really, really poor.

So in that sense, yes.. trance is extremely difficult to spin, have a 2x4 or spin with 3+ turntables.
And if that's what he wasnt getting at.. then yes, idiot.

[r a m a z e]

Originally Posted by projectone

bull fucking shit you were joking. youve been trying to defend yourself at every turn as hard as you can. just cuz you know you fucked up dont try to pull out with "it was just a joke!"

and stop posting "........." in every thread!

not about that about the 1234 stuff..

[ppcock]

fuck trance, spin acid techno.

[mapleleaf4ever]

Originally Posted by Big R

not about that about the 1234 stuff..

Most of it is 1234 stuff.

oh


my


god...


Are you still trying to speak?

[r a m a z e]

yessir!

[mapleleaf4ever]

Okay, then can you still quit while you've already had your Ass handed to you?!

[ppcock]

tiesto is still pretty good, his sets are great, but his own personal tracks are just ass.

One really awesome artist "back in the day" was ferry corsten.. i stopped listening to him during his fetish for making faggy gay disco trance, but now System F is teh backs.. just picked up sublime, holy shit bats. That's a great track.

The thing why people jump to conclusions about trance being gay is cause they're listening to.. well.. the gay shit. The shit they play at raves is like bif naked fuckin some song she did trance remix.
when i walked into a party that will remain nameless, i was blown away about this poor ass music. That shit isnt even trance. Highschool music.

But unfortunetly, since this is all people know.. will not allow it in a club. Its unfortunet that union's night shut down.


so really, the only good trance in town is organix at the moment.. but, sometimes you'd rather enter a club and chill out to a different style.


I'm not dissing house at all, house is great. fun to spin, acid house mixes in awesomely to breaks, the flow in it is awesome, unless the dj cant spin... which in vancouver, wow!

ok, well im done now.. im pretty baked. WORDS OF WISDOM!


Here's a good track, its on banging tunes..
http://www.bangingtunes.com/mp3/ttx2056_a.mp3
Remo Con - G-sigh
This track is just nuts. The build up so disgustingly crazy.

if only yoji had played the track at imf, i would've ran around with shit coming out of my pants, hug him until security comes out and beats the shit out of me.

It was very suprising that yoji's crowd wasnt that big.

[-evil-duerr-]

^i've neglected trance for quite some time. but that song was dope, man