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Sep 30, 02
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I told her that most of the lyrics you hear on the radio are probobly worse then goign to a rave or listenign to the music. Her whole basis was just that the scene was not good... I just wanted some opinions... Thanks for all the opinions and replies pplz. I personally love raves. They RoxorZ! So yeah her whole basis was just the environment. If I was to get into the specifics of the bible and the testimonies and such there would be many bad issues with going to parties coree ... if you wanna know more i'l ltalk to u on icq about it. but I was just pondering in a general aspect and just craving for some feedback. THanks guys. 
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jeezus do i have to spell it out AGAIN?
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christianity is about dominating other religions and alternative mindsets. that's a pretty stereotypical view of Christianity. are you even a Christian? christianity is about exclusion. who can get into heaven, and who can not. who is part of "god's" kingdom, and who is not. who is a sinner, who is a blasphemer. christianity is only about inclusion when you are being assimilated into christianity. excuse me? Christians are actually reminded that it is not their job to judge who will go to heaven and who will go to hell. they are taught forgiveness and to learn to see the good in other people. I think the negative stereotypes that you see are not exactly due to Christianity itself, but humankind's imperfections. christianity does not promote the exploration of ones own religious and spiritual views or lifestyle. who says? have you never met a Christian who's open enough to hear the religious beliefs of another? Christians are also taught to love their neighbours are they love themselves. no where does it say to be a bitch to thy neighbour lest yee be a Christian as well. the bottom line is: Christianity is about CONFORMITY. jesus is called a shepard for a reason. the ideals of rave are the exact opposite. *chuckles* conformity is everywhere my friend... not just with Christians. even people who try to not conform are just practising another form of conformity ("I'm different! look at me! I'm cool!"). anyways... what I'm trying to say here is that you can't exactly just define Christians into one stereotype. do you know for yourself what their teachings are about? have you personally read the Bible yourself? do you even realize how many demoninations of Christianity there are in the world? in my opinion, the characteristics you use to describe the beliefs of "ravers" and Christians are purely stereotypical. I don't believe they're exactly as dichotomous as you believe them to be. --Joanne :P
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Sep 30, 02
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I had an interesting class today. The speaker described what has happened to Christianity as "churchianity." A lot of problems people have with Christianity isn't really with the spiritual aspect or the basis of it, but with the church itself. Dancing in a lot of cultures is an act of worship. Blame the europeans for taking it out of the church.
Someone said something along the lines of "Christianity is about comformity..." That would be wrong. It could be broken down as follows; Christianity, following Christ. Believing that Christ is the son of God. Believing that he died and rose again. Christianity is about faith. It is about making Jesus Christ the model for how one lives their life. Christ spent a lot of time with prostitutes, lepers, outcasts. He broke a lot of cultural and racial boundaries. It is true, he used those opportunities to teach. Christians who go to raves most likely don't take the opportunity to share their faith. I don't know the reasoning behind a lot of people's purpose for attending raves. For myself, I haven't had much time or opportunity to attend them, but they are something I have an interest in. These are my reasons; I love music. I love to dance. For me, movement to music is a healing, and somewhat spiritual experience. What I had heard of raves was always positive..."it's all about the music...people are so friendly...everyone is so accepting..." You could say that as the church has been corrupted by the people, so have raves been corrupted by the people. But what other places offer movement to music in a somewhat uplifting atmosphere? Final comments; Don't blame God for the problems of the church.
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WELL....IM NOT CHRISTIAN BTU MY MUM IS AND I USED TO GO TO CHURCH SUMTIMEZ AND I DO BELIVE IN SUMTHING HIGHER BUT NOT QUITE SURE IF ITS GOD....BUT UMM I THINK IF URE CHRISTIAN AND DO DRUGS ITS NOT RILLY GOING AGAINST URE RELIGION CUZ DUZINT IT SAY THAT GOD LOVES EVERYONE? AND GOD FORGIVES PEOPLES SINS???? I AGREE THAT SOME RELIGION CAN BE BULLSHIT BUT I THINK ITS UP TO THE PERSON TO DECIDE WETHER ITS GOING AGAINST THERE OWN BELIEFS!!! PEOPLE SHOOD BE ABLE TO DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES WETHER THERE RELIGION WOOD ACCEPT WHAT THEY DO.....UNLESS OF COURSE THEY ARE HARDCORE ITNO IT AND IN SOMEWAYS DONT "PRACTICE WHAT THEY PREACH"
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Sep 30, 02
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No one on here is blaming God for anything. Here's how it is. Religion, in theory is about all thats good and right. Sure Christianity is about accepting, forgiving and seeing only the good in people. Sounds good to me. However just like many other great ideas, it only works in theory. Jesus may have taught all these amazing things, but that doesn't mean that these ideals are always correctly presented through the church. Religions that believe in only one true god will always be swayed to convince/force people to believe in what they do. In trying to do this they often overstep the moral boundries set forth by their own religion in attempt to promote it and make it the dominant belief system... I'm not just talking about chritianity here, I'm not saying that your preacher is teaching "evil" or what have you, so don't get all defensive. However, I do believe that being taught only one way of thinking, only one way of seeing right and wrong from a very early age does create closedmindedness among many religious people. I think it's this point that Junglet was talking about, and I do agree that this does go against the general philosophy of "ravers". Does this mean a christian can't be a raver. No. Each person is different, not all religious people are closed minded. But, for the most part I think Junglets right.
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there's nothing wrong with a christian person being a raver. it's there choice right?
i don't know all that much about the religions, and i have no problem with normal people and whichever religion it is they choose (Whether or not i agree with it), it's the obsessive, closedminded fundamentalists that i have a problem with. they are the ones who bother me. i wish they would shut up.
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You make no sense.
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i was raised as a mennonite (sp?) myself. i fear the Lord. although that has no point here. i'll just get back to the topic at hand.
when i go to a rave i see evil all around me. sure it's all plurry and shit, but look at the people around you. they're all fucked. for all you "christians" out there...do you bother to do anything about the sin that rules these parties? if not then you're not a true believer... i know i didn't explain myself to well here, but i'm a lazy bastard and i didn't feel like explaining myself to you.
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^^^basically don't hate the christians. fuck there are good AND bad christians.
the only thing a real christian might have against raves are the drugs.
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Oct 01, 02
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My question was how does the fact that Christianity is based around the concept of a single God relate to his argument. Perhaps I should have been more clear, I thought it would be fairly obvious.
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Oct 01, 02
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I thought his response to that was fairly obvious though. He is saying that since christianity revolves around one god, in their view it is only their god that could possibly exist. This would make them closed minded to the possibilities of other gods and other belief systems.
So in effect, I felt he did answer your question.
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Oct 01, 02
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^^
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Oct 01, 02
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it's kind of funny how people can make negative assumptions towards a group they can hardly begin to define and then to proceed to compare it to another group that they also cannot fully define.
*cough* but on a side note, I think it would be tough for Christians to be "ravers". church would be a real bitch to sit through during sketchy sundays..... --Joanne :P
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Oct 01, 02
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This doesn't make you close-minded, nor does it mean you have to frown upon people with other beliefs. A lot of Christians do, sure, but they're not good Christians ^^
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