cartoons these days.....wtf

[omega_image]

[Revolver]

thats sick..

ill let my kid watch that.

[baby-phat]

The message at the end is pretty disturbing, esp for a kids show.

[-evil-duerr-]

that was awesome! haha ha..

when I was little we had shit like fred penner, mr.dressup and under the umbrella tree.

This is what children should be watching so they can avoid all dissapointment from high expectations and become jaded malcontents before kindergarten.

[wishbone]

Kids shouldn't be exposed to that?

Christian kids read the Old testament...and really, there's a lot of similarities.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

when I was little we had shit like fred penner, mr.dressup and under the umbrella tree.

WORD!!!....those are the exact same shows i grew up on...

ahhh...nostalgia.

[EPID3MIK-7]

I found it interesting, but i don't think kids can get past the creepy visuals or even comprehend what it's about.

[kir mokum]

i fucking love this. best depiction of "satan" i've ever seen because s/he's not evil. s/he's curious. s/he questions. and that's exactly why s/he was condemned. and i think it's perfect for kids. well, maybe pre teens.

[dabbler]

want to rip the audio from this. are there others?

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by kir mokum

i fucking love this. best depiction of "satan" i've ever seen because s/he's not evil. s/he's curious. s/he questions. and that's exactly why s/he was condemned. and i think it's perfect for kids. well, maybe pre teens.

is there even such a thing as evil though? Or is evil only the absolute depravity of good? If God is good, and Satan is deprived of any of that good, does that entail that he is indeed evil?

[Speechless]

This cartoon is awesome, I'm going to watch this when i'm feeling lonely, or mean girls, that ditzy brunette will always have a special place in my heart.

[esoter1c]

I watched that show when I was a kid like 10 times.

I thought it was dope.

[gnosis]

I've seen that before.

Some animation fest.

Frosty
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[Drazkers]

Is this truly a children cartoon or is it an independent animation and some dude just said its been banned when he threw it up on youtube?

[kir mokum]

Originally Posted by wishbone

is there even such a thing as evil though? Or is evil only the absolute depravity of good? If God is good, and Satan is deprived of any of that good, does that entail that he is indeed evil?

well, i don't believe in evil. or god. or satan. i think they're ridiculous concepts so i'm kind of a bad person to ask. from my understanding of the popular understanding of satan and his/her role and characteristics is that he/she is the definition of evil. what do you mean by "only the absolute depravity of good"? sounds like the definition of evil to me.

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by kir mokum

well, i don't believe in evil. or god. or satan. i think they're ridiculous concepts so i'm kind of a bad person to ask. from my understanding of the popular understanding of satan and his/her role and characteristics is that he/she is the definition of evil. what do you mean by "only the absolute depravity of good"? sounds like the definition of evil to me.

well is evil in itself a substance, or is evil only the absence of good? just like "cold" is the absence of heat/energy, for example.

[GSG9]

anyone saying kids should be watching that is just fucked up.
i agree with leaving them to their innocence untill they are deemed old enough to make mature decisions in life. making kids ask questions about whether they even exsist or not is a great way to get them cutting themselves before they can even tie their shoes.


as for the animation itself... fucked up. interesting. i wouldnt wanna watch it on mush or 'cid tho i dont think haha. that spells bad trip.

[kir mokum]

so i guess it's better that we just lie to them until they're 18 about the realities of the world and also misdirect their attention from that reality with santa, the easter bunny, jesus, the trickle down effect, your vote counts, and police are there to help you. and anyway, in development, you don't start to question the world around you and your own existence until your mid-late teens.

well is evil in itself a substance, or is evil only the absence of good? just like "cold" is the absence of heat/energy, for example.

i don't see how evil can be a "substance" in of itself. good and evil have always been presented as the opposite sides of the same coin. but again, i don't know why you're asking me as i think "evil" is a fairy tale.

[wishbone]

i wasn't asking you in particular, I'm just flexing nuts of my religious philosophy studies.

[kir mokum]

flex harder.

[decypher]

You can't have absolute truths such as good and evil because they are societal conventions that are facilitated through the communicative process.

In one society you have a set of standards that are the village conventions. Sometimes these social laws get codified as the Jews did and this helps create societies, standards, and social orders.

So the definition of what is Good or Evil blends into the question of what is Vice and Virtue. These notions change from society to society and from one religious standard to another. So in fact what is "Good" and "Evil" is just a reflection of the dominant ideology of any particular community and the personal biases we all hold within us.

[wishbone]

I agree with the fact that there cannot be absolutes of good and evil, that they are relative just as is morality (which is often tied into the whole good and evil).

But despite their absolutism or relativism, (to make my question a bit clearer) is there just varying degrees of good as opposed to good and evil?

[kir mokum]

you have to define your terms before you can answer or discuss that question.


personally i think morality is relative and objective. there is objective morality that are universal and immutable which are defined by, well, physics, biology, and ecology but there are also relative morality defined by culture. people, specifically civilized people, tend to ignore the universal morality and try to replace them with their relative and cultural morality.

[wishbone]

not being an ass or sarcastic, and in no way am i all that knowledgeable with philosophy, but what morality is brought from physics, biology, and ecology? Can that even be considered morality? Would people argue that what's found through nature is "God's morality"? (go with the possibility of God's existence to argue that one).

[decypher]

Originally Posted by wishbone

I agree with the fact that there cannot be absolutes of good and evil, that they are relative just as is morality (which is often tied into the whole good and evil).

But despite their absolutism or relativism, (to make my question a bit clearer) is there just varying degrees of good as opposed to good and evil?

To say that there exists varying degrees of good is to take the relativist lens and absolute truths would mean something is intrinsically good or evil. So i guess varying degrees then. My interest lies in the forces that construct these meanings rather then pegging a definition on it. For me Good and Evil is tied in with morality and that core is subjective. It's subject to cultural forces, mass society and technology. This method answers a lot more questions as to why people think what is good or bad at any given time.