Legal Question Regarding Tipping

[wishbone]

i didnt read anyof this thread

if it's clearly stated somewhere visible at the beginning of the restaurant, on the menu, or you were informed by a hostess, waitress, or when making a reservation of the 15%, it stands.

if they try and put it on there without making you informed, that's illegal. There must be effort to make both parties aware of the circumstances.

It's like if a car park doesn't clearly post signs saying to take valuables with you, you can sue (might be successful, might not be) that they were negligent in informing you of the risk. THere are precedents for this, however today's common sense might null those precedents and have them overturned.

just sayin.

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by cubed

I'd say it wasn't so much Tarantino's writing that sold that scene, but more Buschemi's delivery.

steve buscemi's work in the 90s painted one of the most epic careers in the business. That guy was an integral part of some of the best damn films around, too many to even list!

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by wishbone

i didnt read anyof this thread

if it's clearly stated somewhere visible at the beginning of the restaurant, on the menu, or you were informed by a hostess, waitress, or when making a reservation of the 15%, it stands.

if they try and put it on there without making you informed, that's illegal. There must be effort to make both parties aware of the circumstances.

It's like if a car park doesn't clearly post signs saying to take valuables with you, you can sue (might be successful, might not be) that they were negligent in informing you of the risk. THere are precedents for this, however today's common sense might null those precedents and have them overturned.

just sayin.

not quite. legally you are not required to tip, regardless of being warned or not

[askdjasd]

if they add it on the bill more power to them. I wont tip out any further.

If i get shit service - i dont tip
if i get shit food - i dont tip
if i wait too long for food, but the food is good. I barely tip.
If I get good service, good food, not a lot of wait time, friendly service.. I tip way more than 15%

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by askdjasd

If i get shit service - i dont tip
if i get shit food - i dont tip
if i wait too long for food, but the food is good. I barely tip.
If I get good service, good food, big boobs, not a lot of wait time, friendly service.. I tip way more than 15%

Standard

[decypher]

Originally Posted by esoter1c

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lwqtaKRS3IE

PS: I do tip.:P

lol @ clip, "I'd go up to 12% for that..."

[decypher]

yeh i don't tip on pick-ups unless there's some process involved. The sushi place near me gives you tea and stuff while you wait so there is some service in there. When i do finally eat-in at the place i tip double just because i frequent there.

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by dabbler

not quite. legally you are not required to tip, regardless of being warned or not

a place can dictate that their service alone warrants 15% of the goods and that this will be paid as a separate service.

it's not a tip, it's a service charge masked with the word "gratuity" to make it sound more pleasant.

you're right, legally you're not required to tip. but if a place charges a 'service fee', that's legal ;)

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by wishbone

a place can dictate that their service alone warrants 15% of the goods and that this will be paid as a separate service.

it's not a tip, it's a service charge masked with the word "gratuity" to make it sound more pleasant.

you're right, legally you're not required to tip. but if a place charges a 'service fee', that's legal ;)

No it's not. If they're billing you more after the fact than they're advertising on their menus, then that's outright highway robbery.

That's suable. Any company that practices that is downright rotten.

If someone refuses to accept payment beyond what was advertised, take them to small claims. That's complete and total bullshit.

[e_BoY]

Originally Posted by bebu*funfun

my question is.. do you tip when you go pick up take out food?

No. I only usually do it when I get change back. Lets say my total was $18 and I had a $20 then id usually tell them to keep it depending on the place and stuff. I don't feel you need to tip on take out as they did nothing. It's like saying do you tip at Mc Donalds or Burger King? No rite? I don't see a difference in ordering take out and ordering from the food court.

[miss.myra]

the most frustrating part about the auto grat is those restaurants that ENCOURAGE large parties to come to their restaurant and advertise their establishment as a great place for group reservations, yet, the management or whoever never manages to staff their restaurant sufficiently to accommodate for your reso, even if made WELL in advance. Just because you have a larger party doesn't mean that poor service should be standard.

For excellent service, imo the auto grat should be topped up as much as possible.

[azazel]

i pretty much tip regardless. habit i guess

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

No it's not. If they're billing you more after the fact than they're advertising on their menus, then that's outright highway robbery.

That's suable. Any company that practices that is downright rotten.

If someone refuses to accept payment beyond what was advertised, take them to small claims. That's complete and total bullshit.

but in my original message I did say they must "advertise" it, aka inform you in some sort of way before the meal (re: transaction/contract) begins to take place.

even restaurants are allowed fine print, albeit it's usually better displayed than nopurchasenecessarycontentsonlyavailable tousresidentsonlyformoreinformationvisit ourwebsite

[Lush]

Originally Posted by askdjasd

if they add it on the bill more power to them. I wont tip out any further.

If i get shit service - i dont tip
if i get shit food - i dont tip
if i wait too long for food, but the food is good. I barely tip.
If I get good service, good food, not a lot of wait time, friendly service.. I tip way more than 15%

Are you kidding me?... you do realize that the amount of time it takes for the food to be prepared isn't in the servers hands right?
Did it occur to you that sometimes, on a busy night at a restaurant or bar the kitchen gets backed up and the food might take longer than normal?
We have a pager system at my work so I get buzzed when the food is ready but in no way is the amount of time you have to wait the servers fault (not in my experience anyway).
The quality of the food isn't in the servers hands either, if I'm bringing out a dish and I notice it's cold or the presentation is off i'll ask the kitchen to reheat it or add something but I can't take a bite out of the dish to make sure it's prepared to your standards.

You need to seriously take those factors into consideration the next time you go out, if you have no social grace maybe you should stay home.

[Erin]

Originally Posted by dabbler

and if you randomly show up at a busy restaurant with 15 people and no reservation, and expect excellent service - then you should just not go out. With reso then at least they knew you were coming and could have scheduled extra staff for you

I could kiss you right now.

[Erin]

Originally Posted by Lush

Are you kidding me?... you do realize that the amount of time it takes for the food to be prepared isn't in the servers hands right?
Did it occur to you that sometimes, on a busy night at a restaurant or bar the kitchen gets backed up and the food might take longer than normal?
We have a pager system at my work so I get buzzed when the food is ready but in no way is the amount of time you have to wait the servers fault (not in my experience anyway).
The quality of the food isn't in the servers hands either, if I'm bringing out a dish and I notice it's cold or the presentation is off i'll ask the kitchen to reheat it or add something but I can't take a bite out of the dish to make sure it's prepared to your standards.

You need to seriously take those factors into consideration the next time you go out, if you have no social grace maybe you should stay home.

And not only that ^ if the food takes forever and you don't tip, the kitchen STILL GETS TIP OUT. Therefore you are making YOUR SERVER PAY THE KITCHEN OUT OF HER POCKET. This means you are COSTING THE SERVER MONEY TO SERVE YOU. Dick.

[askdjasd]

well, i guess im the bad one here.

Let's see..

I guess 60% of my post is a little harsh, i'll give ya that.
So, i'll change the quality of the food, or the waiting too long.

But there have been times where I've been waiting more than 20 minutes for my bill. Now, Hopefully you dont get mad at me and make up some shit excuse where "the printer ran out of paper"
Or where i've waited a long time for a freakin drink.

If you're going to give me "that's the bartenders job" bullshit, then that's the weakest excuses i've ever heard.

[Erin]

Originally Posted by askdjasd

well, i guess im the bad one here.

Let's see..

I guess 60% of my post is a little harsh, i'll give ya that.
So, i'll change the quality of the food, or the waiting too long.

But there have been times where I've been waiting more than 20 minutes for my bill. Now, Hopefully you dont get mad at me and make up some shit excuse where "the printer ran out of paper"
Or where i've waited a long time for a freakin drink.

If you're going to give me "that's the bartenders job" bullshit, then that's the weakest excuses i've ever heard.

If there's a bartender, then the servers aren't allowed behind the bar. So, yes. It is the bartenders fault. AND they will still get their tip out. Dick.

[askdjasd]

if it's shared tipping.. then im right and everyone is wrong

jerkface

[TR1P]

if the host does their job, even if they dont say much, i tip pretty generously. if they act like they dont want me to be there or i feel disrespected then i dont tip shit i just leave a couple pennies, maybe even three

[Carrie]

people with jobs that arn't in the service industry don't get a tip when they do their job.

I have undertipped or not tipped at all because of bad service, the food was also mediocre.

The servers job is to provide fast and friendly service and they are the front man/woman for the kitchen staff. They are getting paid their wage whether or not they do a good job. Tipping is for those servers who do excellent jobs at making their customers happy.

If no tip was given to the server, then the server shouldn't have to tip out to the kitchen staff. How can you tip out of your hourly pay? you don't. The tips are added up weekly/biweekly and tipped out to various parts of the restaurant.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

I'm gonna say a little of both. But yes. Buschemi stole that entire scene.

You can't "steal" a scene when you have all the dialogue

[Grapes]

This is only somewhat related to this thread, but it does have to do with tipping so whatever.

For the first time in memory, I paid a cabbie w/ no tip this week.

I always throw in a couple of bucks for the ride. I don't know if that's standard or what.

This guy picked me up at the delta hotel in richmond, near the airport. My ride had flaked out on me so I needed a cab to hop me to my warehouse near River Rock casino. It's about a 5 minute drive.

Over the course of my ride he repeatedly tried to go the wrong way, and managed to endanger my life twice. He tried to go the wrong way into a one way street (Those "DO NOT ENTER" signs apparently were no deterrent). And he answered his cell phone just as I was trying to tell him to get in the right hand lane, then proceeded to dart into that lane without noticing the car sitting right in his blind spot. I don't know how he didn't hit him, I was busy cringing and bracing for impact.

The fare was $8.75. I asked for my buck and quarter back. He was lucky to get paid at all.

Parting words: "Drive SAFELY!!!"

[Erin]

Originally Posted by Carrie

people with jobs that arn't in the service industry don't get a tip when they do their job.

I have undertipped or not tipped at all because of bad service, the food was also mediocre.

The servers job is to provide fast and friendly service and they are the front man/woman for the kitchen staff. They are getting paid their wage whether or not they do a good job. Tipping is for those servers who do excellent jobs at making their customers happy.

If no tip was given to the server, then the server shouldn't have to tip out to the kitchen staff. How can you tip out of your hourly pay? you don't. The tips are added up weekly/biweekly and tipped out to various parts of the restaurant.

Wrong. You tip out based on how many sales you do. So if you sold $1000 in a night, you tip out based on that. If a table doesn't tip you, then you are tipping out of your pocket to serve that table. It would be nice to only tip out based on if you were tipped on a table or not, but it isn't like that. If you don't tip, you are costing severs money. Don't be cheap. :)

[Erin]

Originally Posted by askdjasd

if it's shared tipping.. then im right and everyone is wrong

jerkface

No you aren't. If the kitchen fucks up your food 3 times and you don't tip your server based on that, then the server is still tipping out to the kitchen. MEaning the kitchen staff are still getting tip out EVEN THOUGH they fucked up your food 3 times. Meanwhile your server that didn't do anything wrong, even gave you fast friendly service is still paying out of her pocket because you didn't tip because the kitchen fucked up. Idiot.