Legal Question Regarding Tipping

[brit]

this thread makes me hate people lol.
I think that if someone is coming with a party of 20 or more there should be an automatic %20 tip added on.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Grapes

You can't "steal" a scene when you have all the dialogue

You're forgetting about Tarantino's opening rant then?

[stephen_c]

next time order take-out.






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[Grapes]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

You're forgetting about Tarantino's opening rant then?

Fine, he steals the scene from a guy who can't act.

Why don't you just say he's damn good in it and leave it at that?

[Lush]

Carrie, the whole concept of the service industry is that you deal with a really shitty hourly wage and you rely on your tips as income.

Erin knows what she's talking about, you are absolutely required to tip out to the kitchen and the bartender. I work at Toby's on the drive and we have to tip out 2% of our sales to the bartender, 1% to the kitchen and between 1 and 2% to the bar back depending on how helpful we felt they were during our shift.

So let's say there is a UFC fight and the whole establishment is packed and the kitchen is backed up and my tables are waiting for their food because they're dealing with several orders... is it my fault that the food is taking longer?
I have to tip out to them regardless and it's the same issue with the bartenders, it's not my fault if the day bartender is flirting with a girl at the bar and taking his sweet time to make your drinks. I can only thank the customer for their patience and hope that they're reasonable enough to realize that the time it took wasn't in my hands.

And no the tips aren't added up weekly and biweekly, we tip out directly to the bartenders after our shift and put the kitchens tip out in our cashout and that is then added up and distributed evenly to each member of kitchen staff.

[fritz]

entry level jobs are filled with greedy people that have developed an entitlement to a higher tier of pay instead of earning it. 100 pages of justification will never change an entry level job into something else.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by Lush

Erin knows what she's talking about, you are absolutely required to tip out to the kitchen and the bartender.

Except when you're not, like in the example d1va talked about earlier in this thread.

Or weren't you paying attention?

[Lush]

Oh please, what is that one restaurant out of how many that doesn't require you to tip out to the kitchen?

On that note I have never heard of a restaurant or bar that doesn't require you to tip out to the bartender. The majority of restaurants and bars require you to tip out, that's just the way it works.

fritz do you really think it's possible to sustain a living on $8 an hour? Especially with the cost of rent and tuition fees? It's just the way the service industry works and your'e more than welcome to go sit in a restaurant and not tip but really you're only making yourself look like a douchebag. Standard gratuity in Canada is 15%, in the states it's usually around 20% but that's because their base pay is often even less than 8$.

[Erin]

Originally Posted by Grapes

Except when you're not, like in the example d1va talked about earlier in this thread.

Or weren't you paying attention?

I'm sure there are those that don't have a tip out. However that is almost un-heard of. I have never heard of a place not haveing tip out. Even the high-class places where they pay their staff more then min wage has tip out. So with that in mind, please make sure you tip everytime you go out to eat. If the service sucks, you will make way more of a difference by letting managment know what about the service you didn't like. After you've done that, leave a small tip (5%) which will still show the server that you weren't impressed. :)

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by Lush

Oh please, what is that one restaurant out of how many that doesn't require you to tip out to the kitchen?

On that note I have never heard of a restaurant or bar that doesn't require you to tip out to the bartender. The majority of restaurants and bars require you to tip out, that's just the way it works.

I don't have a problem with you saying that the majority of restaurants operate in that way, I just don't like the way you paint your own situation as the be all and end all of all situations.

"You are ABSOLUTELY required to pay to kitchen"

Better qualify your absolutes or risk sounding self centered.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by Erin

I have never heard of a place not haveing tip out. Even the high-class places where they pay their staff more then min wage has tip out. So with that in mind, please make sure you tip everytime you go out to eat. If the service sucks, you will make way more of a difference by letting managment know what about the service you didn't like. After you've done that, leave a small tip (5%) which will still show the server that you weren't impressed. :)

I always tip as long as the service is adequate. More if it's good, less if it's bad. This isn't fucking rocket science, I can't believe we're having this discussion for so many pages.

That said, you can't say you haven't heard of a place not tipping out, because you just did 2 pages ago.

I understand you mean "until now", it's just that when you don't tack that on, it sounds like you're trying to ignore d1vas post because it doesn't fit with your argument.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by Gusto

i worked in restaurants for about 5 years as a cook and we always got screwed on tips. at the three places i worked, the wait staff got to decide how much they wanted to tip us out and were generally greedy about it. our wage wasn't much higher either. i guess it varies a lot from place to place and franchises probably have some rules around it too.

Oh and I think Gusto's post is pretty relevant here too.

Surprise! Not everything necessarily works exactly the same in your world as it does elsewhere!

[fritz]

Originally Posted by Lush

fritz do you really think it's possible to sustain a living on $8 an hour? Especially with the cost of rent and tuition fees? It's just the way the service industry works and your'e more than welcome to go sit in a restaurant and not tip but really you're only making yourself look like a douchebag. Standard gratuity in Canada is 15%, in the states it's usually around 20% but that's because their base pay is often even less than 8$.

I don't have to think it's possible, I know it is. 40h/week at mininum wage pays 1165/mo after taxes. You could put 500-800 of that into rent (depending on location and roommates), 200 into food, and burn the rest over an oil barrel for heat, or maybe invest it! I don't factor in tuition as it's not part of sustaining a living, and I think it should be subsidized by the government via student loans and grants. Obviously this math leaves little for luxury, but welcome to society and your reserved spot at the bottom.

Minimum wage sucks, that's why it's minimum wage. That's why they pay it to people who don't get better jobs.

[lildonkey]

I always tip huge when i go out, especially if the person serving me is older... I feel bad if someone in their 30's is serving me my food, so i try and help out a bit... plus they appreciate it, and next time you come in do everything they can to give you the best service.. which is important when you eat out as often as me


p.s. i noticed a few times that on my pizza bill there was a charge of like 3-4 bucks for delivery.. i asked the driver about that cause i was curious what it was.. and asked if it was some type of added tip to the bill or if it was for the gas that the company gives him back later for his car or whatever... he said they dont pay for his gas and none of that money goes to the delivery driver.. seemed kinda stupid.. think he was bullshitting to get a double tip, or do pizza companies really screw their delivery drivers like that?

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by lildonkey

I always tip huge when i go out, especially if the person serving me is older... I feel bad if someone in their 30's is serving me my food, so i try and help out a bit... plus they appreciate it, and next time you come in do everything they can to give you the best service.. which is important when you eat them out as often as me

eeeeeeeew :sick:

[lildonkey]

Originally Posted by esoter1c

eeeeeeeew :sick:

eeeeeeew what? that i eat out every day?

I'm too lazy to cook meals and clean dishes.. I enjoy cooking... but fuck cooking 3 meals a day

[Lush]

Originally Posted by Grapes

I don't have a problem with you saying that the majority of restaurants operate in that way, I just don't like the way you paint your own situation as the be all and end all of all situations.

"You are ABSOLUTELY required to pay to kitchen"

Better qualify your absolutes or risk sounding self centered.

Well at my work you ABSOLUTELY are... seriously does this whole condescending thing e-validate you? Get over yourself

The whole starving student thing is bullshit and it sucks, working in the service industry makes it a bit more comfortable. Everyone has to begin somewhere and if you choose to be cheap and not tip when you go to restaurants that's fine but again you're only making yourself look bad.
These are all jill jobs and if anyone chooses serving to make their lives a little bit easier good on them.

Reserved spot at the bottom? Oh that's right i'm 21 and working towards an education that i'm certain is going to gaurantee me a job and a salary that puts yours to shame.

[fritz]

My point was minimum wage jobs have to start at the bottom, which means the least amount of money. Finding justifications that entitle someone to be paid more than minimum wage for these jobs is motivated by what?

Of course you can move up, I hope everyone does. No need to get personal.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by fritz

My point was minimum wage jobs have to start at the bottom, which means the least amount of money. Finding justifications that entitle someone to be paid more than minimum wage for these jobs is motivated by what?

Of course you can move up, I hope everyone does. No need to get personal.

Tips are what these staff live off of. They get shit wages for work that's no fun. Only way to really go up is to work in places that have people that tip better. That's why the lowest of the low in food service is McDick's. Minimum wage and no tips. However, if you move up in food service (service, not prep) there are very few wage improvement opportunities. Your real cash and raises comes by the appreciation you get from your patrons, ie tips.

Minimum and surrounding wages it isn't the bottom for food service, it's par for the course.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by lildonkey

eeeeeeew what? that i eat them out every day?

I'm too lazy to cook meals and clean dishes.. I enjoy cooking... but fuck cooking 3 meals a day

Read your quotes carefully...:P

[robyn]

k everyone complaining post up avg monthly tips, cause i'm making an extra $600 working p/t with a tip jar which would basically cover shared rent in coq or where ever. i can only imagine someone actually serving is making substantially more.

[robyn]

and a pushy lesbo regular just brought me dinner

[Carrie]

Originally Posted by Erin

Wrong. You tip out based on how many sales you do. So if you sold $1000 in a night, you tip out based on that. If a table doesn't tip you, then you are tipping out of your pocket to serve that table. It would be nice to only tip out based on if you were tipped on a table or not, but it isn't like that. If you don't tip, you are costing severs money. Don't be cheap. :)

well then you shouldn't be in a business based on paying someone out of your own wage when they get a wage themselves.


if a server does an excellent job, i will tip and then they don't have to tip out to the kitchen. if they did a shitty job then it's their loss that they have chosen a job that punishes them for not getting enough tips.

[Carrie]

Originally Posted by Lush

Oh please, what is that one restaurant out of how many that doesn't require you to tip out to the kitchen?

On that note I have never heard of a restaurant or bar that doesn't require you to tip out to the bartender. The majority of restaurants and bars require you to tip out, that's just the way it works.

fritz do you really think it's possible to sustain a living on $8 an hour? Especially with the cost of rent and tuition fees? It's just the way the service industry works and your'e more than welcome to go sit in a restaurant and not tip but really you're only making yourself look like a douchebag. Standard gratuity in Canada is 15%, in the states it's usually around 20% but that's because their base pay is often even less than 8$.

you can't sustain a living on 8$ an hour, but it's not my responsibility to top you up to 10$ an hour out of MY hourly rate. Do you think it's fair to take my money that I've earned? Your job is to serve me. My job is to be an accountant. It is not my job to pay you. Ask for a raise, if you don't get one then reconsider your career choice.

no offense to anyone in the industry, this is my opinion.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by Lush

Oh that's right i'm 21

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

n/m then