Coalition government

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

prorogue granted :-\

nice. now we have to endure over a month of shit-slinging - especially from the cons - while absolutely nothing gets done in parliament

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

Parliament Suspended till January:

GG agrees to suspend Parliament

Way to be on the cutting edge :p

[dj_soo]

What I've gathered from this whole mess so far is that every party leader is essentially a huge douchebag who values partisan politics over the good of the country.

[ebbomega]

ZOMG POLITICIANS WHO WANT POWER?

WHAT'LL THEY THINK OF NEXT?l

[Alex]

The voters didn't want Stephane Dion as Prime Minister. I *know* we elect MP's not a PM, but most Canadians don't think that way. Stephane Dion was very unpopular nation wide.

Also, the Liberal Party has lost faith in Stephane Dion, and they don't even want him to lead the party. They're holding a leadership race in May(I believe..).

So if niether the Canadian people, NOR THE LIBERAL PARTY, has faith in Stephane Dion, how is it logical for him to become the Prime Minister?


Also, I believe this coalition government won't happen. Michael Ignatieff has stated he is AGAINST it. Mr. Ignatieff is estimated to have the backing of roughly 50 Liberal MP's. If only 9 no show at the confidence vote I assume will now be in January, the Conservatives retain power.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by miss.myra

no kidding!

in a time of economic CRISIS the last thing i want to do is give the government a one month paid vacation while harper does NOTHING but spend millions of dollars on attack ads.

we're not really in a crisis, quit buying what thhe alarmsts feed you.

worst thing that'll happen in canada is a real long recession like the one in 80-82

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Alex

The voters didn't want Stephane Dion as Prime Minister. I *know* we elect MP's not a PM, but most Canadians don't think that way. Stephane Dion was very unpopular nation wide.

Also, the Liberal Party has lost faith in Stephane Dion, and they don't even want him to lead the party. They're holding a leadership race in May(I believe..).

So if niether the Canadian people, NOR THE LIBERAL PARTY, has faith in Stephane Dion, how is it logical for him to become the Prime Minister?


Also, I believe this coalition government won't happen. Michael Ignatieff has stated he is AGAINST it. Mr. Ignatieff is estimated to have the backing of roughly 50 Liberal MP's. If only 9 no show at the confidence vote I assume will now be in January, the Conservatives retain power.

that just goes to show that dion has nothing to gain, i dont think this is much of a power grab for him as it is for jack layon, dion knows he'll be gone in a few months.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Alex

The voters didn't want Stephane Dion as Prime Minister. I *know* we elect MP's not a PM, but most Canadians don't think that way. Stephane Dion was very unpopular nation wide.

Jesus Christ, your understanding of the situation is horrid. The voters didn't want Harper either, what makes him so special?

And the "Canadians don't think that way" argument makes no sense. It's not the government's fault that Canadians don't take the effort to understand their own constitution, and that doesn't change the constitution in any way, shape, or form. Don't encourage people to be ignorant of what their vote means. If we want the vote to mean something else then we should change our constitution so that it does. But in the meantime you don't get to complain when politicians take the vote to mean what it is defined to mean.

God, it's not like our Constitution is so archaic everybody's forgotten what it says. It was written just over a quarter-century ago!

Also, the Liberal Party has lost faith in Stephane Dion, and they don't even want him to lead the party. They're holding a leadership race in May(I believe..).

So if niether the Canadian people, NOR THE LIBERAL PARTY, has faith in Stephane Dion, how is it logical for him to become the Prime Minister?

He'll only be PM until he gets ousted in the leadership race.

Thing is the Liberal party DID have confidence in him, but then he screwed over this election so he's stepping down. But that's not the Libs losing confidence in him, that's him losing confidence in his ability to effectively lead the Libs. But he's still the chosen party leader at this time, and therefore the most poised to lead a coalition.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

that just goes to show that dion has nothing to gain, i dont think this is much of a power grab for him as it is for jack layon, dion knows he'll be gone in a few months.

Or maybe it really is that the opposition parties don't support Harper's plan and this really is just the only way that a working government will happen without another election.

God forbid people actually mean what they say. What kind of a fucked up political practice is that?

[Some dude]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

prorogue granted :-\

nice. now we have to endure over a month of shit-slinging - especially from the cons - while absolutely nothing gets done in parliament

Remember during the elections when the opposition parties had nothing to say but "blame harper" and "green shit"?

Near as I can tell, the conservatives and bloc are the only parties that actually have their shit together. Hopefully those other douches will think things over during the break.

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

He'll only be PM until he gets ousted in the leadership race.

If he gets the coalition ball rolling, then maybe he wouldn't get ousted because there's proof he's capable of actually doing something?

[ebbomega]

^ Except that he's not running in the leadership race.

[wishbone]

oh. i see.

[Alex]

I don't see how anyone is shocked about the cutting of funding to the Parties(1.95/vote)

It's nothing but a tax payer bail out. If the Cons are AGAINST bailing out failing corporations, why would they be FOR bailing out failing political parties?

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Alex

I don't see how anyone is shocked about the cutting of funding to the Parties(1.95/vote)

It's nothing but a tax payer bail out. If the Cons are AGAINST bailing out failing corporations, why would they be FOR bailing out failing political parties?

cuz nazism is so 1945.

sorry for the hyperboyle.

[C_squared]

some refered to the coalition party leaders as the "old boys club". Which makes sense... these babies just want a crack at the PM spot. That's obvious.

Even though the coalition is part of the game and is within the law, only problem I see is the type of dictation that the Bloc will have in this. Gilles Guisspe (sp) is older than dirt and his policies are wack.

Harper is scared silly. That tv spot he did seemed desperate.

[Alex]

Just a little perspective

new Ipsos Reid poll says

-Nearly 75% of Canadians are 'truly afraid for the future of the country'
-60% of Canadians would "Prefer another election over the Coalition lead by Stephane Dion taking power"
-46% of Canadians would definitely vote Conservative if another election were called, that's clear majority waters people
-60% of Canadians think the Conservative plan is the best to manage the economy.

[Alex]

Also 60% of Canadians would prefer the Cons stay in power compared to 37% who would like the see the Coalition Govern.

Compare that to 50% of Quebecers who want to see the Coalition Govern

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by Alex

Just a little perspective

new Ipsos Reid poll says

-Nearly 75% of Canadians are 'truly afraid for the future of the country'
-60% of Canadians would "Prefer another election over the Coalition lead by Stephane Dion taking power"
-46% of Canadians would definitely vote Conservative if another election were called, that's clear majority waters people
-60% of Canadians think the Conservative plan is the best to manage the economy.

"Now, here are some results from our phone-in poll: 95% of the people believe Homer Simpson is guilty. Of course, this is just a television poll which is not legally binding, unless proposition 304 passes. And we all pray it will."

[Alex]

Obviously a poll isn't as reliable as an actual vote, but it gives an idea of general attitude towards a situation.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Alex

Just a little perspective

new Ipsos Reid poll says

-Nearly 75% of Canadians are 'truly afraid for the future of the country'
-60% of Canadians would "Prefer another election over the Coalition lead by Stephane Dion taking power"
-46% of Canadians would definitely vote Conservative if another election were called, that's clear majority waters people
-60% of Canadians think the Conservative plan is the best to manage the economy.

link?

[Gusto]

Majority (68%) Of Canadians From Every Part Of Country Supports Governor General’s Decision To Prorogue Parliament

[Alex]

thanks

[NinjaBoy]

Originally Posted by Alex

Obviously a poll isn't as reliable as an actual vote, but it gives an idea of general attitude towards a situation.

Pretty much.

In my opinion it's political suicide for the Liberals. They've had trouble with public perception lately, but now it's even worse...

[Courtney]

I just think quebec should seperate
damn frenchies

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Courtney

I just think quebec should seperate
damn frenchies

The one aspect of Canadian culture that differs from the states, and you want to get rid of it?

Shaaaaaame