Gay Marrages, Continued...

[ebbomega]

Originally posted by Antenna_Boy


Prove that God created people...what does god want u to do? Your no jesus yourself.

Didn't I just say that wasting away our time trying to decide what God wants us to do is exactly what I believe God _DOESN'T_ want us to do?

Christ almighty you're thick.

[SomeGuy]

Ok first off, I do believe in GOD in the sense that GOD is a higher being that is encompassing all the universe and it's beings. I do not believe that GOD would create homosexually inclined people without purpose. The bible say's that "And on this day God created man" - Genesis.. He created man and that all man is equal is also part of the bible. Is a gay person not a man? Is he not equal? Is a woman not equal? Dj_Zyx are you leading me to believe that YOUR GOD, the same GOD that created man, this same god that has to be at the very root of everything created in this universe has no part in the creation of homosexuals and if he does, he only created all human beings to have us segregate ourselves based upon sexual preference and ostracize those that are of a different preference from the masses. This same god that say's all men are to be treated as equal. I just don't get these contradictions, maybe you can explain these to me? Maybe we should all just begin lynching Negro's again.

[neoh]

Originally posted by FlorpIncarnate
Yes, homosexuality in the animal kingdom is a common, widely documented and studied phenomenon.

It is not clear whether the behaviour is genetic or based on evironmental factors, however. It seems to me that those who assume that people can only be born homosexual may be touting the politically correct viewpoint rather than actually studying the issue. The flipside of this is the religious right, which assumes that homosexuality is only caused by environmental factors (and that people can be "cured" ); again this is too black and white. More likely it is brought about by a combination of the two factors.

Well, believe it or not - from my own observations into homosexuality, I find that most homosexuals (I have several homosexual friends) - they did not have a positive male row model in their life. In fact, ALL of the homosexual friends I have were raised stricly by their mothers, or had no connections with their fathers. Which in their mind women are considered more of friends then factors of sex. I honestly don't think that homosexuals are "born that way." In fact, Ottawa is trying to pass a bill that allows Kindergarden teachers to teach kids around the age of 6 to masturbate so they are 'in-tune' with their sexuality. (yeah, it's fucking bullshit.) It won't get passed, but can you believe them damned liberals are trying for it? This is an extremely taboo subject.

[Havok79]

Well, guess I may as well weigh in on all this.

Honestly, if I were gay and couldn't get married legally I'd probably be pretty pissed.

I like to think of myself as an equalist, don't know if this has any meaning beyond what goes on my own head, but as far as I'm concerned, what it means to me, is every one person deserves the same rights as the next. Reagrdless of Race, Gender, Ethnicity and Sexual preference. No more no less. I don't see why they should be prevented from being bound by their love. Aside from being held to a book of moral values written a very long time ago.

I respect the bible, I've read it. I also believe in god and have been confirmed and all that and I suppose when and if I am judged, I can be judged as someone who has lived their life having discriminated against no one.

[Rytalin]

^yeah but who really cares about getting married 'legally'?

If you really love someone, and want to be with them for the rest of your life, there's nothing stopping you from taking a vow with them.

Marriage is SUPPOSED to be a natural, spiritual binding between two people. The law really has nothing to do with it, when you boil it down.

All your missing is the contract that says you get half of your spouses assets when you divorce.

[Havok79]

^ True enough, completely agree, but to some that marriage, just the actually going through the motions wedding is really important and I don;t think its right for someone to invalidate that happy feeling by saying it ain't legal cause your relationship doesn't count. My sister got married to her boyfriend a couple years ago, they'd been going out for like 6 years and living togethor for like a year or two so the wedding was really just a formality, but to her it was this day that was incredible and special and all that. That and the open bar was pretty cool too :). I guess were I'm going with this is, to some people just going through the wedding, signing that marriage certificate in front of their family and friends is really important to them and theres no reason I can think of that it should be denied to any one person. BUt its definately one of those topics were you're firmly entrenched on one side of the fence or the other.

[Sammy Skillz]

Originally posted by neoh


Well, believe it or not - from my own observations into homosexuality, I find that most homosexuals (I have several homosexual friends) - they did not have a positive male row model in their life. In fact, ALL of the homosexual friends I have were raised stricly by their mothers, or had no connections with their fathers. Which in their mind women are considered more of friends then factors of sex. I honestly don't think that homosexuals are "born that way." In fact, Ottawa is trying to pass a bill that allows Kindergarden teachers to teach kids around the age of 6 to masturbate so they are 'in-tune' with their sexuality. (yeah, it's fucking bullshit.) It won't get passed, but can you believe them damned liberals are trying for it? This is an extremely taboo subject.

well now you know of one homosexual who has had a constant male ROLE model (not row)....me. i was raised by both a mother and a father. so your little theory has pretty much been thrown to the wind. next arguement?

-s.

[dj_zyx]

Thats weird! Im sure one of them must have deep rooted sexual disorders... God probably hates them too


Blunted has attached this image:

God didn't create dear in his image.

[Sean]

His theory was based on the observation of his small handful of homosexual friend; it was hardly something that needed refuting.

Have whatever religious or moral beliefs you want about homosexuality, the fact of the matter is there's a separation of church and state and as a result the law shouldn't figure into the goddamn equation when it comes to marriage.

[NeVeRLooKBacK]

Originally posted by Sean
His theory was based on the observation of his small handful of homosexual friend; it was hardly something that needed refuting.

Have whatever religious or moral beliefs you want about homosexuality, the fact of the matter is there's a separation of church and state and as a result the law shouldn't figure into the goddamn equation when it comes to marriage.

damn right

[Ryan Ross]

Originally posted by dj_zyx


God didn't create dear in his image.

He speaks! Interesting that thats the only thing you have to say after all of this. Glad to know you are thinking for yourself, blind ignorance sucks eh?

Regardless of the fact that it makes no sense that god would create creatures to behave in an "sinful way", whethere human or not, thats still not the argument. You can believe whatever someone tells you is the truth based on their interpretations of the interpretation of the "word of god", just piss off with trying to restrict other peoples rights because of it.

[Ryan Ross]

Originally posted by neoh


Gay marriages should not be tolerated, period.

(I have several homosexual friends)

Im sure your gay "friends" think its so caring of you that you think they are an abomination of god and shouldnt be allowed to commit themselves to an equal status relatinoship.

I know i pick my friends based on their hatred for me! I say, hi im Ryan, I go to school, I have blue eyes and brown hair, if you think i have any moral rights then piss off! If not, heres where you sign up! doesnt everyone else?

[dj_zyx]

Marriage is between two people of the opposite sex. And the Catholics / Christians have the right to defend there marriage rules because the bible say’s two people of the opposite sex joining together for holy matrimony. That's it.

If you don't go by the rules laid down in the bible than you cannot marry. By changing the rules according to the bible you are as follows...

We know these laws are good when they are used as God intended. But they were not made for people who do what is right. They are for people who are disobedient and rebellious, who are ungodly and sinful, who consider nothing sacred and defile what is holy, who murder their father or mother or other people. These laws are for people who are sexually immoral, for homosexuals and slave traders, for liars and oath breakers, and for those who do anything else that contradicts the right teaching that comes from the glorious Good News entrusted to me by our blessed God 1 Timothy 1:8-11 NLT

[miss.myra]

Dj_Zyx sure knows how to make friends on this site...

[Ryan Ross]

Originally posted by dj_zyx
Marriage is between two people of the opposite sex. And the Catholics / Christians have the right to defend there marriage rules because the bible say’s two people of the opposite sex joining together for holy matrimony. That's it.

If you don't go by the rules laid down in the bible than you cannot marry. By changing the rules according to the bible you are as follows...

How fucking dense are you!! Jebus, save this kid! Have you read ANYTHING that people have been posting?? You can defend your right to not marry homosexuals all you want, good for you for creating another underclass of people as the christian faith is so good at doing! No one is saying that a particular church should be forced to act against their beliefs and marry gay couples, just like no church should force everyone else in society to follow its views! Get a fucking clue, or a mind of your own

[*spacecase*]

^i love you ryan.

IF YOU WERE A GIRL, I'D MARRY YOU!!!!!

:c-tard:

[dj_zyx]

How fucking dense are you!! Jebus, save this kid! Have you read ANYTHING that people have been posting?? You can defend your right to not marry homosexuals all you want, good for you for creating another underclass of people as the christian faith is so good at doing! No one is saying that a particular church should be forced to act against their beliefs and marry gay couples, just like no church should force everyone else in society to follow its views! Get a fucking clue, or a mind of your own

so much hate I feel in you... for what reason? let's talk civilized and not bring swears into matter. The church don't force there beliefs on people, people force there beliefs onto themselves. In respect to this the church is has just laid out some basic rules to follow by. I do have a mind of my own thank you. I'm just basically putting out a message about gay marriage. I've done some research and I wanted to put my input about the whole gay marriage debate.

I have gay friends, that's fine they can do whatever they want It's freewill, but to get married under the rules of the church and break the churchs vows that's wrong.

[*spacecase*]

^ research?

[Ryan Ross]

Im sorry for my foul language... The only hate i feel is for people who try to impose their beliefs on others and take a moral high road when revoking other peoples rights, im sure you can see why... Your "research" consists of a weak theory based on a couple gay friends that you have, maybe you should write a book?

You are missing the point totally here. Let me spell it out one more time, reply to this for me.

Your church has rules that says gay marriage is wrong, therefore no one is saying that you should be forced to marry gay people under the rules of your church. Make sense?

Now heres the kicker, yours isnt the only belief system in our multicultural society! So why should what your church tells you is right and wrong impact EVERYONE ELSE who doesnt share the same beliefs as you?

As had been pointed out, our society lives by seperation of church and state, so the church shouldnt be all up the the states business. If you are going to argue that seperation of church and state is a bad thing... then thats a whole other issue

[miss.myra]

Originally posted by dj_zyx




I have gay friends, that's fine they can do whatever they want It's freewill, but to get married under the rules of the church and break the churchs vows that's wrong.

So is yo' haircut.


OH SNAP

[Chet]

Originally posted by dj_zyx


so much hate I feel in you... for what reason? let's talk civilized and not bring swears into matter. The church don't force there beliefs on people, people force there beliefs onto themselves. In respect to this the church is has just laid out some basic rules to follow by. I do have a mind of my own thank you. I'm just basically putting out a message about gay marriage. I've done some research and I wanted to put my input about the whole gay marriage debate.

I have gay friends, that's fine they can do whatever they want It's freewill, but to get married under the rules of the church and break the churchs vows that's wrong.

makes sence to me
it's a-ok for ministers and the rest to touch and rape little boys behind the scene, but is some completely normal gay person wants to get married the church will not allow that

like jesus didn't get a little bi-curious while hanging out with the 12 apostles

[Sean]

Goddamn, this thread is like a car accident.

If you don't go by the rules laid down in the bible than you cannot marry. By changing the rules according to the bible you are as follows...

You follow whatever rules you want to follow. Fact of the matter is, Canadian society is not ruled by the Bible, it's ruled by Canadian law. If you have a problem with that, go form your own society; you can be like the Mormons or something.

To add to that, you seem to be using legal marriage and Catholic marriage interchangeably. You do realize you can get married at City Hall right?

[Rhianna]

Originally posted by dj_zyx
Marriage is between two people of the opposite sex. And the Catholics / Christians have the right to defend there marriage rules because the bible say’s two people of the opposite sex joining together for holy matrimony. That's it.

If you don't go by the rules laid down in the bible than you cannot marry. By changing the rules according to the bible you are as follows...

As I said before marriage is also a leagal thing now too and they are allowed to do it so you're going to have to live w/ it. There are so many ways in which marraige between a man and a woman is not holy and hasn't been for a very long time, but I'm not going to go there right now.

To those people that think it's how boys grow up that think makes them gay. What's wrong w/ you? My brother had NO male role at all, it's all women in my fam. Oh but wait he's NOT into pen, he likes women. So what do you think they want that lifestyle? To have things made even harder for them? Who would pick that? I also know gay people that have had both god fearing catholic parents rais them and they're as gay as can be.

Also to those of you that think they pick this lifestyle out or that you can be "made" gay. Is there anyway or annyone out there that could ever make you want to have sex w/ some one of the same gender as you? No, I didn't think so. I bet that even makes you feel kinda sick doesn't it? Well now you know how gay people feel about the opposite sex.

Who you're attracted to isn't something that can be changed around. It is what it is.

[Rytalin]

Originally posted by miss.myra



So is yo' haircut.


OH SNAP

BOO YA
!

[Rytalin]

Originally posted by dj_zyx


so much hate I feel in you... for what reason? let's talk civilized and not bring swears into matter. The church don't force there beliefs on people, people force there beliefs onto themselves. In respect to this the church is has just laid out some basic rules to follow by. I do have a mind of my own thank you. I'm just basically putting out a message about gay marriage. I've done some research and I wanted to put my input about the whole gay marriage debate.

I have gay friends, that's fine they can do whatever they want It's freewill, but to get married under the rules of the church and break the churchs vows that's wrong.

if you want to put your input in on the whoel gay marriage thing, then do it.

So far all I've really seen is you throwing down chunks of scripture.

put shit in your OWN words, if you actually do have a brain.


Christ wouldn't have wanted it any other way.