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May 01, 04
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As far as union dues go, you claim them on your taxes and get most of it back at the end of the year, just a heads up. 
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May 01, 04
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No body's making 30/hour cleaning toilets, buddy. Seriously, i think you should go and read the contract before replying to this thread anymore. I'm not going to comment on the BC Ferries situation, because I don't know anything about it, but the kind of work that hospital cleaners do it NOT a 9/hour job. It's not an 18/hour job either, but I know what it takes to clean a hospital room in between patients and make sure the next patient wont catch whatever the previous patient had. Ugh, you people don't get it at all. Either way, educated and skilled workers are being affected by these cutbacks as well, and that's what bothers me the most. And yeah, I know you can claim union dues on your taxes at the end of the year, that doesn't change the fact that they're being taken off of each paycheck if you don't make alternate arrangements with your employer.
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May 01, 04
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How's about you post a link to this beloved contract of yours, Hoffa?
Just answer me this one question. Where do you expect this money to come from to fund this pay raise? Taxpayers? Hell, 60% on the dollar already goes to health care. Education? Roads? Should we sell off BC Hydro? Clear cut some more? Policing? I agree that skilled workers with an EDUCATION shouldn't get the shaft. But the folks schlepping in the cafeteria, laundry room and shit like that? C'mon. The gravy train isn't going to be around forever, time to think about getting a real job, not just being a mindless drone. I'm tired of this province being held captive by unions and their overly self righteous employees while I bust my ass daily, work hard and do my best to get ahead instead of sitting back on my laurels in some drab, remedial union job. Argue with me all you want, that's my stance, no amount of picketing, megaphoning and disruption of service will change that. In fact, it will re-enforce it.
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May 01, 04
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you people bitch and complain about people fighting over a decent standard of living and the fight to keep healthcare away from privatization.
THe healthcare system is undermanned as it is. What you may or may not remember: it wasn't too long the government cut a couple thousand jobs in healthcare by eliminating the position; essentially "its not a problem if there's no one to treat it". there's no point in arguing with you people about this shit. the amount of ignorance around this thread is fuckin disgusting.
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May 01, 04
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What's the matter with your fingers? Can't you do a simple google search? I have the exact URL right in front of me, but I want to see if you can manage to find it yourself. You can find all the collective agreements on here. http://www.bcgeu.bc.ca/ Quote:
Fuck, I'm not even pro union, i'm just pointing out a few facts that some of you seemed to have missed. PS. Why all the hostility? Sheesh.
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May 01, 04
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Everytime someone bitches about the fact someone doing menial work for more pay and less paid education than university grads just cracks me up.
If these public sector workers who clean our streets, buildings, and facilities didn't do it, who would? Privateers? They'd charge just as much in the end (just hire out a maid one day to find out how expensive it is). And, despite what the 'highly educated' think, these grimy jobs are neccessary to keep sanitation from escalating out of control. Anyone remember the garbage strike? Garbage collectors have a very important job, despite the lack of education really needed for it. Until mankind can create robots to do all of our menial tasks, we will always depend on manpower to do it for us. But it isn't going to get done for free. These people deserve to be paid for their hard work, no matter how menial it may seem. If it consumes most of their free time, then it becomes their career, and, as such, deserve to be paid enough to live off of. In the Lower Mainland, one needs to make at least double digits hourly in order to make a living as the standard of living here is quite high.
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May 01, 04
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Its not the workers who are putting the public on line... ITS THE GOVERNMENT!!!
I wont dare read the provice because its practicly owned and under control by the government... Compare the province/sun to the Georgia straight. Jsut this week the Straight went off about Gordans cut backs that are effecting so many woment. You would barly here anything about that from the sun/province.... because? The media and papers are so manipulating... you have to think out side of the box when listning to that stuff or youll be blaming the wrong ppl. And if they ever do finaly point fingers at the the root of the problem (the government) it would be done on a very light note. My carreer is put on hold becuse of this... but thats a union... and because of that I know ill have ppl backing me up if my job ever gets into trouble.
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May 01, 04
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I have a lot of hostility towards unions for a lot of reasons. Remember the garbage strike a few years back? Postal strike? Transit strike? Dock workers? Ferry workers? Now the goddamn health care workers? C'mon, this shit is ridiculous. Like I say, I'm tired of all these whiny fuckers who feel that more is owed to them than they deserve. I know a guy who makes $66000 a year to drive a forklift. He has no education at all. Starting wage at Saskatchewan Wheat Pool to sweep the floors is $38/hr. One hotel I worked at (union shop) a dishwasher made $25/hr and had 8 weeks of holidays a year. He made $8/hr more than me, a journeyman chef with 7 years (at the time) exp. It's a fucking joke what unions and their employees get away with, it's time they get a wake up call and join the real world and get payed what they deserve to make, whatever it may be. Not to mention the whole "not my job" mentality. Obviously educated workers are another thing, but if you don't like the deal you are getting, here's a thought: go get another job. Don't sit around on your apethetic ass waiting for someone else to look after you, because it won't happen. But you know what I love? The fact that the BC government gave the health care workers a shittier deal than the one they turned down. I love it. I also love how the more they strike, the more money they lose, the more they piss off the public. It's amazing what kind of shit we put up with in this province.
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May 01, 04
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Now before I hear more crap like, "well, why don't they get better educations so they can get better jobs", I just want to say that it's really fucking hard to go to school and support children at the same time. 1/5 children in this province live below the poverty line. That makes me so incredibly sad. It's amazing that no one has mentioned that the Premier promised not to touch the previous contracts, but is now going back on his word. Maybe he should get a 15% pay cut. Maybe then he wouldn't be able to get shitfaced and get arrested for drinking and driving in another country. Our governement is such a fucking embarassment.
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May 01, 04
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"If a worker in the HEU would give up one of their nine weeks vacation and decided to go to a 40-hour week, there would be no hit on their paycheque." - Campbell quote from this article
9 weeks vacation? 36 hour work week? is that for real? holy shit dream job.
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May 01, 04
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vacation with pay: 1 years continuous service .....................15 work days 2 years continuous service ......................15 work days 3 years continuous service ......................16 work days 4 years continuous service ......................17 work days 5 years continuous service ......................18 work days 6 years continuous service ......................19 work days 7 years continuous service ......................22 work days 8 years continuous service ......................23 work days 9 years continuous service ......................24 work days 10 years continuous service ....................25 work days 11 years continuous service ....................26 work days 12 years continuous service ....................27 work days 13 years continuous service ....................28 work days 14 years continuous service ....................29 work days 15 years continuous service ....................30 work days 16 years continuous service ....................31 work days 17 years continuous service ....................32 work days 18 years continuous service ....................33 work days 19 years continuous service ....................34 work days 20 years continuous service ....................35 work days taken from http://www.bcgeu.ca/bbpdf/health-community.pdf I think this includes the HEABC (health employers association). You can also get info about wages here http://www.heabc.bc.ca/public/wages/...es/apr1-03.pdf http://www.heabc.bc.ca/Public/CAs/FCA2001-2004heabc.pdf Nurses wages if anyone was interested This isn't classified information people, it's all online.
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May 01, 04
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i know this because i have an aunt that lives in the united states and works as a lab tech in a american hospital, most of the nurses there are not union members, and besides, unions dont have nearly as much power elsewhere in north america then they do in b.c. the reason RN's have to have a science degree is because the nurse's union is a self regulating body and they want to keep competition from cheaper less educated but equally capable. they also want a reason to justify the huge pay raises they ask for every 4 years. i find it funny that all those middle aged nurses with families were threatening to take their services elsewhere if they didnt get the raise the wanted 2 years ago...haha yeah right, like they gonna get their entire family to move into another country for an extra 5k a year...i call their bluff.
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May 01, 04
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Most nurses don't belong to unions down there, but oddly enough, they make a shitload more than the nurses in unions over here. I've had an american work permit for a year now, and i'll have my greencard within a few months. Your wrong about the nurses union being a self-regulating body. RNABC is different from the BCNU. RNABC is the self-regulating body of the nursing profession. That means that they're accountable to the public while the nurses union is accountable to their members. Do you know anything about nursing at all? The reason things have changed to a 4 year degree is because that's the growing trend everywhere else. Most provinces have or are phasing out the two year diploma programs. Most hospitals in the united states want nurses with degrees, and most states wont license nurses without a 4 year degree. Why would the US private sector want to pay more money if they could get people to do the same job with less education? It's because they can't.
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May 01, 04
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The average age for a nurse in BC is 47. 10-15 years from now, they'll be getting ready to retire. It wasn't really about the older nurses. It was about being able to recruit and retain new grads to stay in the province and country once they graduated. They got an extra 6k a year to start, btw.
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May 01, 04
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And yes, he is an overpayed drunk.
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The standard of living here is higher than most provinces...yet the Government compares BC wages to the rest of Canada. Sure, wages here are higher than, say, someone in Alberta doing the same job...but when you think about it, WE PAY SALES TAX, THEY DON'T. Housing prices here are rediculous compared to the rest of Canada...This Government is overlooking these details when they try and justify comparing wage rates. Thus...not a valid benchmark.
But then again Mr. Campbell has an MBA from Simon Fraser...it all comes down to dollars and cents...the province is his company. You're all gettin' the shaft. My thought? I support the union in their fight for what they bargained for. Because I am a unionized employee, on top of becoming a job steward soon, I understand the importance of unionized work in Canada. Mr. Campbell has violated international labour laws...and he chooses to ignore it. He's ripped the HEU agreement to shreds, which in his pre-election campaign promises he said he would not. Most people who have ever been in a unionized workplace would understand the importance in maintaining the wages, benefits and articles in place. Maybe this Government needs a General Strike on their hands. There's always power in numbers... Last edited by EMERGENCE; May 01, 04 at 09:34 AM.
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May 01, 04
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The problem with BC is that everybody here compares themselves with Alberta.
Hey, kids. Guess what. Alberta has a shitload more money than us because they have a shitload more natural resource than us. We're not Alberta for crying out loud.
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May 01, 04
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Where have you been for the past year? We're talking buying, not renting. Of course the owners of the house you were living in couldn't charge anyone more than 1000/month to live in a crappy basement suite--in Burnaby, no less. http://www.bcrea.bc.ca/news_room/in_the_news.htm Least affordable province to buy in
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