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Apr 30, 04
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Going on Strike.
"For a housekeeping aide or hospital cleaner, the legislation reduces the $18.90 hourly wage to $16.07 -- a $2.83-cent-an-hour cut Bruce called difficult but reasonable." -vancouver sun article.
What the FUCK are these people on strike about at $18.90/hour (WITH benefits) cleaning a damned hospital? ? ? FUCKING stupid society that we live in. and i'm sure some of you people actually agree with them too. people who spend 4-6 years in business school might not even make that kind of money. go somewhere else to work if you think 19$/hour is not enough money. if you have friends or family who support the strike, tell them to fuck themselves and God' s not happy. 
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Apr 30, 04
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anyway...i have studied alot of health care policy/economics in school and although its inmportant to realize that universal public healthcare is the best system both in terms of efficincy, value, and equality..its high wages for services that are not essential for the provision of health services that is killing health care(well one of the most prominent factors amongst a whole bunch of fucked up mindblowing shit, you wouldnt believe how crazy things get with relation to health care) that is killing healht care, so i find the arguement that they are fighting for healthcare a selfish/misinformed lie in the best of circumstances..they are quite simply fighting for their over paid jobs. personally i beleive aqll of the cleaning, administrative, cafeteria, and all those other bullshit support jobs should be contracted out to private firms, who will do the work based on a lump sum price stipulated in their contract rather then a fee for service. then all the money saved can be directed towards more important health services(however that wont solve anyhting do to the aforemenetioned fucked up mindblowing crazy shit relating to healthcare.) disclamier:im drunk as fuck so if an otherwise meaningful post was reduced to garbage because of my inability to express myself in a professional fashion...well ya'll can suck my dick. hahaha p.s i know a chinese mother fucker would agree with me on thsi shit.,....hollah!
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Apr 30, 04
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It's not just janitorial and kitchen staff, fuckface.
Lab techs, Pharmacy techs, and X-ray techs are also part of the HEU. These people went to school for a long time (some lab and x-ray techs go to school for 4+ years to end up with their shitty jobs). And they don't start at that wage, people with like, 20 of seniority make that much. I don't think any unskilled worker should be making that much money, but the public reaction to this situation frustrates me soooo much. No janitor should be getting paid as much as what some of the HEU janitors are making, however, so say that paying someone $9/hour to clean a hospital is fair...that's just ass. 40% of patients who are hospitalized end up with an infection that's totally unrelated to their conditions. This happens because it's really fucking hard for someone who doesn't know what the fuck they're doing to clean a room in between patients. The second a hospital bed is vacated, someone on the cleaning staff has a minimal amount of time to get the room sanitized and ready for the next patient. I don't think people fucking get how important it is to do this job properly at all. Fuck, I hope we get privatized health care soon; I never want to get sick in our present health care system. Educate your ignorant ass about the situation before commenting on it, ok? Thanx.
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Apr 30, 04
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But yeah, I think a lot of public sector jobs should be contracted out to save money--but they should only be contracted out reputable companies who have experience in dealing with health care.
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Apr 30, 04
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Apr 30, 04
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How are the cleaning/janitorial services not essential in a hospital? Do you want to go into a dirty hospital? I don't think so. The people they contract out to do this shit don't even know what they're doing.
Or how about being beat up by security when you're in the hospital next time? They've done it already and broken a patient's arm. Another thing that pisses me off is the 15% paycut.. not only are they cutting pay [i'm talking with the nurses here], but it's also retroactive to april 1!
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Apr 30, 04
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Unions are what created the middle class. Considering the middle class in BC is one of the highest standards of living in Canada, it comes as a real shock to one's financial situation when they are forced to take a pay cut.
However, as people in Third World countries prove, you can stamp out an existance for yourself with what you have, even if it is a pitance. Hnn... Most of the unions these days are just trying to get into the political game. What they don't realize is that the Liberals have been doing politics for most of their careers. It's a battlefield not many unions have the resources to combat because, in the end, there will always be someone out there willing to do the job more effectively for less amount of pay. The HEU had their chance to secure their jobs last year. But they got greedy and now their jobs are at risk because of it.
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Apr 30, 04
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I have to listen to those fuckers protest all day. Drives me nuts.
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Apr 30, 04
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isn't that the most pointless union job around?
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Apr 30, 04
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my 2 cents:
my mom found out tonight from the news that she may not be going into work tomorow meaning we dont get money fro our bills because someone else is complaining. shes a janitor making $18 an hour, she doesnt complain. hospital admin almost killed my dad twice. they sent him home early with a deadly infection where he then had to have emergency surgery at 6 am (after teh first hospital wouldnt accept him saying he just couldnt handle his pain from surgery, thank god the ambulance drivers did tehir job properly and took him to the next hospital) then they get my mom to sign the to give blood or not to give blood papers during surgery. we dont have any religous beliefes against it so of course my mom said give blood, and she signed the papers.... they gave her the wrong papers to sign. its 6 am, her husband is deathly ill and they tell her "well you should have read teh documents befor signing" i cant express how thankful i am that my dad didnt need blood during the surgery. if hospital admin are teh ones running teh hospital, im scared. its sad that a misplaced peice of paper can kill someone, and if they want a pay raise, then they need to be more efeciant. to top it off, my mom has one more type of treatment to go in for her cancer shit. because they dont consider this part of the treatment life threatening, its been postponed. my dad, jsut gettin over cancer himself, has other medical problems that have popped up, and they could be life threatening, but because of the strike, the doctors say they are gonna wait. i have faith in that the doctors wouldnt put my dads life at risk, therefore waiting isnt truely a problem.... but with all the possibilities, its seems stupid. my mom injured her knee the same way our goalie in the canucks did, seh needs surgery, but her wait has been made even longer for this, and so she has to go back and work until she can see the surgeon and set a date. this is becoming absolutly rediculous. i am one person, and its affecting me on all sides. i can not imagine how hard it must be on families with elderly relatives who need care, or people with small non-life trheatening injuries. it must be so frustrating. my dad makes basically the same amount of money my mom does, hes a salesman for pepsi cola, a big ass corporation. hes not striking for a pay raise, cause if he does, he gets fired. i realize this is the benefit of being in a union, but could you imagine if everyone had the right to strike? my dad has spent 25 years to get to the position he is at, and get the money he is getting. my mom took a four month course, received a certificate and is now a caretaker at a school making $18 an hour. yes, my mom works hard for her money, but like i said, she doesnt complain. she feels she makes enough money. and now because someone else is complaining, shes outta work. this needs to be solved, and people need to stop being selfish. maybe im jsut bitter from bad circumstances, but liek i said, my circumstances are not even that bad. it must be horrible for others. my heart goes out to them, not to the people standing on a curb bitching.
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Apr 30, 04
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anyways, if you think about it. $9/hr to start, probably a 3 month probation before you can cash in on the benefits... work accidental benefits, dental , doctor, eyewear, free or REALLy cheap medicine.. etc... it's alright as a trial period to see if you are fit for the job. the problem is, we're paying too much for a system that's not very efficient. according to your "statistic," 40% of patients get infected with something unrelated to their conditions.... i dont' wanna pay more for some experts cleaning my bed let alone pay $18 if i have a 1 in almost every 2 chances of gettin infected. as a result... schools staff is planning on goin on the picket line as early as friday april 30th... now. Last edited by ty:rone; Apr 30, 04 at 02:59 PM.
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Apr 30, 04
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Pfff dont you kids see whats happening? The goverment is widening the gap... my mom lost her job due to cut backs in the hostpital and bloody rights they deserve those wages. When you have to deal with body flueds that could contain HIV or work in a room that had pacients with SARS...
dam straight you deserve benifets and a DECENT wage to help suport your family... Maybe if some of you grew up in a low income house hold you would have some more respect for jobs such as these being cut because the majority of the workers take those jobs so they can feed and cloth their kids. Why is it ok for the nurses and Dr's to get raise increases and the other staff have decreses? Funny how it costs us more in the budget to make Dr's richer? I cant belive this country/provice with its low paying jobs and lack of benifets... doesnt make sence with cost of liveing going up. Last edited by Ree Fresh; Apr 30, 04 at 04:54 PM.
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Apr 30, 04
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i grew up in low income housing, i have experienced my mom loosing her job.
i have also experienced my mom loosing wages because other people were striking. these people take the job knowing the risks and knowing the pay. i work with kids, should i take a strike cause they carry alot of germs and i may get pink eye? should i strike because im not paid enough to deal with kids that cause problems? no. i knew what i was applying for, and i knew what my job would bring. i see whats happening, and i dont like it. i just think that putting other peoples lives in danger is not a good way of solving a problem. i also have bad experiences with these hard-working under payed individuals, maybe im just unlucky.
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Apr 30, 04
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Im actualy going through the prosses of starting on the North Vancouver School Board... And yes when im hopefully asap put on the list i will be a part of CUPE. This strike is going to make me wait even longer to start my new carreer. So im not emprest. However I suport unions and belive we need better fair paying jobs with benefits. Also watch who you blame!?! The government made the disition to mess with the buget effecting the union... So lets no bitch at ppl tryign to keep their job and fight back with them agaist the government who rather increes their own over paryed sallery from those trying to servive inflation.
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not to quote myself or anything.... but cut backs happen every. in each workplace, and yes its terrible, and i hate the gov't just as much as any other student\tax paying person out there, however, its not fair to put other peoples lives in jepordy. its not an attack, its an opinion. if it was an attack, i'd be vicious, for real. i got alot of beef with the medical system right now and all the workers within it. i could go off on how terrible the gov't is, trust me im getting screwed from various directions and angles by them, WE ALL ARE. should i jepordize other peoples lives because of this? i remember feeling like a tool to the teachers when they were striking, all the students were were objects. it was terrible, mad eit seem like the teachers saw us as paychecks. and its the same way i think we should feel now. basically what the medical care workers are saying is you dont give us what we want, we'll jepordize the health care system, and im sorry but i cant justify this.
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my mom is a nurse and is getting a 15% paycut. on top of that, the 15% paycut is retroactive to april 1, so when the pay change occurs in two weeks, she has to pay back the 15% of her wages all the way back to april 1. it's stupid.
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May 01, 04
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you should probably check out the previous collective barganing agreement on the HEU website to get your facts straight. don't believe everything you read in tabloids like the province. Quote:
I brought up that point because when it comes to janitorial staff, hospitals can't be treated like offices or schools--they're not.
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May 01, 04
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People are making the argument that the people receiving the pay cuts are not as educated as private sector employees making the same wages, but since every RN now has to have a 4 year university degree, that argument can't really be made against them. They'll never give RNs pay cuts. Shit would really hit the fan then. This whole fiasco is making me think of moving down to the states more and more each day the second I graduate. Or Alberta, actually.
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