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May 01, 04
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werd......maybe i'll drive by and yell out... "i'm rick james bitches... go back to work!!" 
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May 01, 04
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i'm not even complaining about the rollback. i was talkin about the $20/hour wage that aids and cleaners get. i wouldn't complain if i got $20/hour because that's a fair wage. why? because i'm not a nurse, techncian, researcher.
if they all went back to work with the rollback in effect, half of 'em would probably not even "work" work, cause more havoc and say, "it's gordon's fault." of course it's his fault. when have you ever said the government was right. now with the rollback bein legislated, cupe and other union members are planning to strike by monday. and THAT is wrong. if schools and the skytrain go on strike, i'd be pissed off. i'm not saying that gaining public support to reverse Bill37 is wrong.. bill 37 IS wrong. but HEU shouldn't have gotten everyone involved with their problem, which wasn't really a problem to begin with. diva: sean!'s not in nursing school nor is he going to begin. he's in another field of study so please don't think of him as an idiot just because he knows nothing about nursing. you know your shit, he knows his, and i know mine. it's called specialization. you can change our views and enlighten us. no need to spread evil karma because what we see is wrong. chill. lamz.. i'm down.
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May 01, 04
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Enough with the union slagging. The HEU members are simply getting ripped off. These people deal with horrible conditions, last time i checked hospitals weren't the cleanest place. Also, when u pay someone 9 dollars an hour how confident are u this person is going to stick around, there would be sooo much job turnoever. Imagine if sars blew up in vancouver, u think some cleaner will stick around? Most of the people in the HEU have been there for a long time, they actually take their job with all the difficulties.Next people who make 18.50 actually pay taxes and contribute to soceity. how do u expect someone to actually afford living in this city for 9 dollars an hour, these poeple have families and bills. i loved how the liberals in their first week in power they gave themselves raises...wow i wish i could give myself a raise. Pretty much it boils down to the fact that the liberals are so one track privatisation that the only difference down the road will be some company will be picking up the profit and our government will be writing checks to victims of negligence caused in the reduction of services. all u have to do is look at the british system, they are reverting back from privatisation. keep in mind when one group of people doing a shitty job get paid low, don't suggest that they bring their wages down, suggest that the other groups making low money seek more money. -it's 5.00am and i'm so tired...night*
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May 02, 04
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he used to be a real estate developer and he lives in shaunessy, his wage as a premier is a pitance compared to what he used to make. P.s if you want to go to work in the states so much then quit talking about it, and complaining about the situation here and go do it. Last edited by SEAN!; May 02, 04 at 03:38 AM.
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May 02, 04
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Smart girl... you deserve to be legal :P I was lucky enough to have a teacher in grade 12 who tought us how manipulitive the papers can be... especialy when it comes politics/campanes etc... You cant belive the news/parpers... however the Georgia Straight isnt isnt bought out by the govornment *note the big article about Gordan this week???* you would never see a stink like that aloud in the Sun/Provence PS Robyn: Sorry, your right nurses are getting a pay cut... however I was refering to the last big strike with nurses wanting a raise... looks like Gordan thinks he can do what he wants agian >=(
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May 02, 04
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May 02, 04
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-to tell u the truth my family is well off we live in kits my dad owns a business. so when the liberals came in we saved a ton of dough on our taxes, but the irony is only 8% of the province actually saved lots of money. it simply is not fair that our government is catering to a small minority of the population...doesn't canada seek some financial equality among it's citizens?
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May 02, 04
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Way to make a valid point there. And yeah, if I want to go live with my family in Oregon, or move to anywhere else in the world for that matter, I will. I don't get what point you were trying to make there. I brought up the health care situation in the States to refute the arguments you made in your previous reply. Last edited by diva; May 02, 04 at 04:24 PM.
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May 02, 04
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unions began to enforce better working conditions. then the people wanted more money, so the unions enforced that. then the people wanted job security, the unions enforced that. and so on and so on.....
in a perfect world, unions are a great thing. unfortunately we dont live ina perfect world. unions have given non-middle class jobs, middle class wages. and before you start biting my head off, my mom is a janitor for the school board, she has one of these jobs, she is forced to strike, and is not going to the picket lines, doesnt seem right to her. anyways, back to my point, now that the gov't has decided to take these jobs and give them the wages they infact deserve, thus taking the middle class out of the middle class making them uncomfertable. yes this is awful, but this happens. as for job security, isnt it grand? gee golly whiz i sure do hope that after i drop over $10,000 on my education i can get job security too ... oh wait, no. id have to be in a union, and my occupation doesnt really have unions. so im going to be living int he real world, under real working condtions. unions are great things for 3rd world countries to help improve things like working conditions and ensure that the workers get enough money to survive. we live in canada, we have pretty good working conditions now, and we have a little something called minimum wage and also we have a little something called welfare. yes what i am saying is harsh, but its the truth. the gov't doesnt just start taking money away from people for no reason, its not like gordo woke up one morning and thought "i think im gonna go steal some money today" and yes, alot of the money has been dealt with in not so pleasant ways, but look what they have to clean up after, the fuckin NDP. they totally slaughtered bc's finances and everything else to do with it. the liberals cant snap their fingers and make everything better. steps have to be taken, punches have to be taken. yes this is awful, but true. id much rather blame the ndp for digging the hole we are in, then blame the liberals who are on their to help us out. it seems that unions have now become about the person rather than the people.
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May 02, 04
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one more thing, the unions are trying to get the support of the general public right? the voters so as to get angry angainst the gov't?
well it seems the general public is more likely to back gordo tellin the unions to go back to work, then to back the unions striking. there are alot of families that rely on the bus, what will the do on monday? be inconvienced due to someone else complaing? kids are not going to school.. where will they go for day care? people who do not even back the cause are being shut outta a day of work. kids are having afterschool activities taken away (anything run by teh city is down on monday) this makes me not want to support the unions.
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May 03, 04
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May 03, 04
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People working for minimum wage and people who are on welfare live below the poverty line. There's a reason why we have decent working conditions now. I'm talking private sector, not public sector. I will agree with you on the fact that unions have given non-middle class jobs middle class wages. That's not right either. I think the amount of money someone makes (especially in the public sector) should roughly be decided on according to how much supply and demand there is for their profession/job description...and how much skill and education it takes to do that job.
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May 03, 04
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who's telling u that the majority of the people will back Gordo? The mainstream media who are all owned by the Asper Corporation, the same peeps who donated 35,000 dollars to his campaign? obviously the hundreds of thousands of unionized workers and people who are sympathetic to social causes don't agree with his stupid ill consived ideas that are going to destroy our province. hey here's news for u, what about the HEU workers who have families all 43,000 thousands of them if they accept the role back do u think they will EVER be able to afford after school care for their kids?? i don' think think so. why are people trying to justify the reduction of quality of life for people(financially speaking??). This province isn't going broke, the only difference is the province is going to lose roughly 64 million is taxes after the people start making significantly lower wages...lower wages=lower taxes
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May 03, 04
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The provincial legislature (79 seats in total) consists of a whopping 77 elected liberal party members. I'm thinking a lot of the province had to back this party to have such landslide results produced. And you know what, all of this stuff to do with privitization, cutbacks, etc. were not exactly secrets that the party held during their campaign. It's been well known for years that these were strong issues for the party, and it's been known that these were their intentions. It's sad, it's been a long time since there's been any kind of a viable political option in this province.
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May 03, 04
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income=expenditure=revenue...the money given to those people will simple be re allocated somewhere else, and wherever else its allocated will be taxed just the same....all varibl;es held equal the government will not loose any tax revenue. they might even gain more revenue as they will hire better trained and paid health care workers who occpy a higher tax bracket. secondly you fail to relize that these healthcare worker's wages are governemtn expendiutures, the returns from their wages are marginal compared to the expenditures the governemtn makes to pay them diva...take some economics or commerce courses thats where you will learn "about how the world really works." the faculty of science is for a bunch insolar geeks who dont have a clue....then maybe you can move to the states and youd have a whole shitlaod of other problems to bitch about on the internet. p.s werd to miss myra, ill still vote liberal..who else is a viable option..the ndp, their a fuckin joke and their pandering to public sector unions is what got us in this situation in the first place. Last edited by SEAN!; May 03, 04 at 09:05 AM.
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May 03, 04
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im sorry if my words seem bitter and harsh, but this strike is affecting me in many many ways, and not only is it hurtful, but its also agrivating. why would the comon people back the gov't? because they are tellin the people to go back to work. im sorry but my dad needs treatment, people need their surgeries. i cant support people who put others health at risk. and the province is in debt. you can not say that it isnt. this whole argument is just bothersome now. i guess if it doesnt affect you it doesnt matter, and youll support the people who are standin on the lines. funny how it went from a strike to a protest. i wanna prtoest my wages too, unfortunately, i can not. and i also have something called PASSION for my work. i would do my job for 5 bucks less an hour (i make about 10) id do it for free. i thought working in the medical system ment you had compassion, i guess not.
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May 03, 04
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And while we're on the subject of name calling, what would an upper-middle class white boy from Coquitlam, know about how the real world works? It must really suck to be a member of the least repressed group on the socio-economic ladder. Econ and commerce courses are open to science students, what makes you think that I haven't taken any? And even if I hadn't, the immaculately landscaped fortress that is UBC is not the only way of educating oneself about the intricate workings of the real world. RACE YOU TO THAT MBA!
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May 03, 04
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Forget about even being able to buy those rave tickets.
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May 03, 04
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hi, my name is meghan, and i dont attend raves.
how would i feed myself? by getting another job on the side. i grew up with my dad working insane hours, and my mom working at least two jobs the majority of the time, so i know that this is indeed possible. and my $10 an hour... isnt that less then most of the heu anyways? and it isnt really enough to live off of hence the reason im on the search for another job. i love working with kids, and would never stop because money was an issue. please do not make assumptions about my lifestyle. and do move to america and help the already growing problem of the supposed need for more medicare workers.
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May 03, 04
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and to add, diva its funny how you have avoided everything i have said about the general public who are being affected by this in medical ways.
whats your opinion on the people waiting longer for surgery? whats your opinion on people have cancer treatments postponed? is it a good thing because its making a point? using sick people as pawns.... RIGHT ON.
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