The stupid lock on the thread about the Pope being just some dude that died..

[cubed]

Originally Posted by dabbler

it's FAR older than the roman's.

No really dabs????

The roman ruins are merely a grounds where one can see them in person.

At no point did I state that they were the starting point.

I'll give you a 9 for effort.

But that damn French judge is going to give you a 6.5 for reading comprehension.

[dabbler]

yep, you're right. i'm too tired to read things properly.

[wikid]

honestly - I agree with one of the earlier posts. my grandmpa was a great man juss not as publicized - and not nearly as many peoples cared about his death - betchya if I posted that on fnk the the thread wouldnt get locked out.

honestly to me - the pope is juss another guy.

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by Sniper

James you make alot of good points....and so does everyone else.........personally I agree with points made on both sides.......the pope was a great man and believed in what he and the church preached......however in a way he was no different from any other leader......President, Prime minister or Dictator.........the amount of control he had over the people of the church and his followers was great enough that he could have done and lead them to do anything he wanted........so inturn the whole basis of the religion while he was pope was his interpretation of what the bible means......if you look back at history the Catholic church were the ones who condemned Jesus so it may just be me but I'm alittle confused as to how they can now say that they can represent him and god after thinking him mad so long ago..........these are just my thoughts and as such I don't expect everyone to share them or even agree in any way with them.......having said that please respond to it how ever you want though do not condemn me for my views and beliefs.....everyone is intitled to thier own



The swastica was originally a budist (sp?) symbol (can't quite remember what it meant) and was fliped and drawn the oposite direction that hitler had it

the judaizers were the ones who persecuted jesus,not the catholic church,infact catholisism wasnt even around in those times mu fucka so shut yo mouth!
The judaizers betrayed jesus because jesus spoke poorly about them,and quite frankly if the shoe fits wear it and those sunsabitches did.

so until you learn yer bible,dont speak about it OK?!

thanx.

[Sniper]

^ sorry for my lack of knowledge on that fact.....but all you had to do was politely corect me in saying that I was wrong you didn't have to be such a bitch about it..........so I was wrong oh well.....I have taken that part out of my last post......but just because I don't study the bible and make a mistake because of that fact is no reason to be a bitch......I gave up on even attempting to study the bible years ago when I realized that there are too many "facts" about the religion, and all religions for that matter, that I can question....don't get me wrong I still believe there is a god and a devil because I feel that something must have put us here and like to think that there is someting after death, whether it be something good or bad.....and I was brought up as a kid with the values and morals that I got from the christian religion

I have no predgeduse (sp?) against anyone who follows and deeply believes in thier chosen religion just don't expect me to have your same views or beliefs.....the thing that most bothered me was that in most religions they say that if you don't follow thier believes you will go to hell......in my mind that is taking away our god given free will to choose our own paths.....I believe that if you feel the neec to follow a specific religion to get to heaven more power to ya.....just don't try and force it on me or anyone else not of that religion and try and keep an open mind that your religion isn't the only one and though it may be your path, that doesn't mean it has to be everyones path

[Asheai]

Originally Posted by ~*goddessa*~

the judaizers were the ones who persecuted jesus,not the catholic church,infact catholisism wasnt even around in those times mu fucka so shut yo mouth!
The judaizers betrayed jesus because jesus spoke poorly about them,and quite frankly if the shoe fits wear it and those sunsabitches did.

so until you learn yer bible,dont speak about it OK?!

thanx.

As sniper said, you could have just politely informed him of his mistake... it's not the end of the world, nor is it personally offensive... I don't understand the level of unacceptance that sometimes arises here... People need to learn that this is just a forum, and the internet is not a facade to hide behind to make rude and quite harmful comments to others. I'm sure if you were talking in a discussion other than the internet you would not be quite so judging... anyways, peace
~ asheai

[Sniper]

^Thanks......it's good to know theres atleast some one on this forum that trys not to be an ass when talking

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by Sniper

^ sorry for my lack of knowledge on that fact.....but all you had to do was politely corect me in saying that I was wrong you didn't have to be such a bitch about it..........so I was wrong oh well.....I have taken that part out of my last post......but just because I don't study the bible and make a mistake because of that fact is no reason to be a bitch......I gave up on even attempting to study the bible years ago when I realized that there are too many "facts" about the religion, and all religions for that matter, that I can question....don't get me wrong I still believe there is a god and a devil because I feel that something must have put us here and like to think that there is someting after death, whether it be something good or bad.....and I was brought up as a kid with the values and morals that I got from the christian religion

I have no predgeduse (sp?) against anyone who follows and deeply believes in thier chosen religion just don't expect me to have your same views or beliefs.....the thing that most bothered me was that in most religions they say that if you don't follow thier believes you will go to hell......in my mind that is taking away our god given free will to choose our own paths.....I believe that if you feel the neec to follow a specific religion to get to heaven more power to ya.....just don't try and force it on me or anyone else not of that religion and try and keep an open mind that your religion isn't the only one and though it may be your path, that doesn't mean it has to be everyones path

suck it up princess! jesus christ!

btw what i said wasnt pro christianity or catholisism either,and by what i said i wasnt forcing either relgions on you. All i did was correct your misconception/assumption and make you feel really stupid:)

I see it worked!

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by Asheai

As sniper said, you could have just politely informed him of his mistake... it's not the end of the world, nor is it personally offensive... I don't understand the level of unacceptance that sometimes arises here... People need to learn that this is just a forum, and the internet is not a facade to hide behind to make rude and quite harmful comments to others. I'm sure if you were talking in a discussion other than the internet you would not be quite so judging... anyways, peace
~ asheai

sorry but if someone is a fucking retard and doesnt know wtf he/she is talking abut,im going to tell them they r wrong,correct thier mistake and then tell them to stfu.
I do it to everyone,even my mom&dad:)

[Sniper]

Originally Posted by ~*goddessa*~

...btw what i said wasnt pro christianity or catholisism either,and by what i said i wasnt forcing either relgions on you. All i did was correct your misconception/assumption and make you feel really stupid:)

I see it worked!

If you had bothered to acctually read and se even a little bit of your brain to understand what I was saying you would have realized that the first part of the first paragraph of my last post was meant for you and the secound part of it was so other ppl wouldn't bitch at me and so they don't think I contradict myself in my secound paragraph........which if you had used some form of intelligence you would have realized that it wasn't intended for you personally in any way but rather it was a general statement about ppl I have encountered that are harsh religious..........so why don't you stfu yourself and try not to be such a bitch

[Ragga_Wh0re]

this just in:

YOURE UGLY AND YOURE WRONG!

[Sniper]

^WOW!!!! now theres an inteligent come back :24k:

[Asheai]

Ok, kids, settle down now :P. lol. What ever happened to friendly ravers?
~ Asheai

[dabbler]

does this mean val is religious?

[Sue Bitch]

what I really want to know is how they managed to attach him to the board while going down thoese stairs in his ceremony, would have been horrible if he slid right off.

[Veni*C]

:261:
wow...this is some heavy shit.....

everyone is intitiled to their own opinion/belief.. so i do agree that it was silly to lock down the one thread.. but on the otherside of things... your pretty much taking other peoples opinions/beliefs and telling them theyre wrong.... and when it comes to something like religion... imo.. there is no right or wrong... people have their own belief and choose to follow certain religions for a reason..... it suits their own values.. lifestyle.. ect ect...
im not an avid follower or roman catholic or christian faiths.... but i do belive in a "god".... i look at it more from a spiritual aspect though... but unless.... someone asks me about it.. i dont go around talking about it.. or talking trash about other peoples religions.... cause as most people know religions is a super sensitive subject.. and getting into arguements about it is really pointless and gets nowhere.....
and finally... IMO... i think the pope was just as man.... who acomplished many greats things in his lifetime... and because he was "famous" so to speak.... his accomplishments were recognized....and i can totally empathize with you about losing someone great...
ayways... play nice kids.

[Tayfoon]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

I also believe that the pope's popularity even led him to believe that he was a god of sorts..

Source ?


In other words, you can shuv your theory's up your ass where your brain is


PS: Im not catholic or even christian

[Jen-E-03]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

The swastica prior to it being the Nazi symbol, you know like the one wum wears on his shoulder, actually stand for goodness, somewhat of a peace symbol..I'm not quite sure who exactly created the symbol...

the backwards swastica is a buddhist symbol...many ppl get them mixed up

[lou_belle]

Originally Posted by ~*goddessa*~

the judaizers were the ones who persecuted jesus,not the catholic church,infact catholisism wasnt even around in those times mu fucka so shut yo mouth!
The judaizers betrayed jesus because jesus spoke poorly about them,and quite frankly if the shoe fits wear it and those sunsabitches did.

so until you learn yer bible,dont speak about it OK?!

thanx.

...you're even more stupid when you try..
instead of learning from a fucking story book the New Testament, written for our converting needs, why don't you learn about HISTORY..


THESE ARE FACTS NOT BIBLICAL STORIES

Jesus was jewish, he stated that, in fact, he never wanted to create a new religion...he wanted to preach Judaism..

His parents were Yosef and Miriam, a woman that indeed had sex to create her child in the Galilee, the North of Israel.

Jesus was rejected in the North and walked south to preach in the streets of Jerusalem.

Jesus had 1000 followers out of 66,000 Jews at 33CE.

He was arrested by Roman soldiers and brought to the high priest to stay overnight, where in fact no one knows what happened that night...it was the Holy day of the week for the Jews and court hearings could not be held.

The next day he was brougth to be crucified just like every other rebel of the Roman Empire was..

He died after two, three hours on the cross just like anyone would.

50 years later the ROMAN EMPIRE destroyed the Jewish Temple, the center of all Judaism. It was the only place where Jews would gather every day to practice their spiritual studies. In fact, Judaism nearly fell with the temple, except three preists got together and created a three way system where families study at accadamies, they pray at cynagogue and they practice at home, instead of them all being at one place where they are vulnerable.

About sixty-five years later Paul, a jew, had a dream about Jesus and in his dream of Jesus led him to believe he too had a revelation of God..through Jesus.

At the time paganism was on the rise and people were in need of a new religion with some good perks. So he went to work deciding that he would create Christianity, where in fact you are Jewish, but he wrote a few new books called the NEW TESTAMENT, where you ignore the mitsvah and studying and all you do is have faith in Jesus Christ and you go to a wonderful place called heaven. And you do good, just like in Judaism, but you can't talk to God, God is Jesus, a man that was born from a virgin in Jerusalem, not the Galilee. He renamed the rabbis priests just like before the temple was destroyed and made them counsellors on top of studiers. Christians can't talk to God, they get answers only from Priests. Good way of brainwashing if you ask me. Whatever sounds good goes..

He created a quote from Jesus that said "he would destroy the "house of Satan" made with hands and create a new house without hands" based on the Roman Empire destroying the Jewish Temple.

*my thoughts...sounds to me like he was destroying one religion to make room for another...

And another thing you dumd scunt...why the hell would a Pope stand up against his whole religion to ask forgiveness from Jews for the suffering Christianity caused them. Why the heck do you think so many Christian Priests convert to Judaism. Why do you think there is such thing as Historical Facts in the study of Judaism and not JUST stories..

Don't go being a Judge of crucifiction from two thousand years ago when all you've read about it is stories my dear.


So there ya have it Christian fools...to everyone else that still follows the original and well written Old Testament, you're just a whole bunch of Jews that have been told they can't connect with God and are brainwashed by Priests.

[lou_belle]

Jesus NEVER said he was the messiah...EVER...people had heard stories of Jesus doing amazing things. They were led to believe in 90CE by Paul and his newly made up religion called Christianity, that Jesus was a messiah and not just a magician..

[Only_Glory]

Originally Posted by Sniper

^WOW!!!! now theres an inteligent come back :24k:

ok enough. im calling the PLUR police on both of you


about the swastika, i know that it hold many meanings, and many cultures held this symbol. this was particular extremely important to Buddhism and Hinduism, i am not sure who obtained it first. and it's true meaning or translation is "good fortune". but it held other meanings as well, such as blessing, protection, virtue, nature and im sure many others. the symbol was even used by native americans, and it represented "thor's hammer" to scandinavians i believe. what i do know for sure, is this symbol even goes back to ancient Troy. yet overall the strongest meaning it held was as the good luck symbol.

i also recall that hitler when he changed the swastika to the clockwise direction, the new name was actually swavastika

[kiMMie]

Wow... reading as a Roman-Catholic, my only comment is > "interesting discussion".

Inverted Cross Legend? > Tradition claims that Peter was close of denying Jesus AGAIN when persecution came upon the Church in Rome. Well, he didn't, but was caught by the Romans. He managed to convince his killers to crucify him upside down, since he didn't feel worthy to be exalted by the same death as his Master... etc. He had desired to suffer. It symbolizes the traditional belief of as to the manner of St. Peter's martyrdom

***PS... I believe it was the "approach" of the subject that was the cause of the closure as there are still a lot of threads open in regards to the Pope.

[wum]

Originally Posted by lou_belle

...you're even more stupid when you try..
instead of learning from a fucking story book the New Testament, written for our converting needs, why don't you learn about HISTORY..


THESE ARE FACTS NOT BIBLICAL STORIES

Jesus was jewish, he stated that, in fact, he never wanted to create a new religion...he wanted to preach Judaism..

His parents were Yosef and Miriam, a woman that indeed had sex to create her child in the Galilee, the North of Israel.

Jesus was rejected in the North and walked south to preach in the streets of Jerusalem.

Jesus had 1000 followers out of 66,000 Jews at 33CE.

He was arrested by Roman soldiers and brought to the high priest to stay overnight, where in fact no one knows what happened that night...it was the Holy day of the week for the Jews and court hearings could not be held.

The next day he was brougth to be crucified just like every other rebel of the Roman Empire was..

He died after two, three hours on the cross just like anyone would.

50 years later the ROMAN EMPIRE destroyed the Jewish Temple, the center of all Judaism. It was the only place where Jews would gather every day to practice their spiritual studies. In fact, Judaism nearly fell with the temple, except three preists got together and created a three way system where families study at accadamies, they pray at cynagogue and they practice at home, instead of them all being at one place where they are vulnerable.

About sixty-five years later Paul, a jew, had a dream about Jesus and in his dream of Jesus led him to believe he too had a revelation of God..through Jesus.

At the time paganism was on the rise and people were in need of a new religion with some good perks. So he went to work deciding that he would create Christianity, where in fact you are Jewish, but he wrote a few new books called the NEW TESTAMENT, where you ignore the mitsvah and studying and all you do is have faith in Jesus Christ and you go to a wonderful place called heaven. And you do good, just like in Judaism, but you can't talk to God, God is Jesus, a man that was born from a virgin in Jerusalem, not the Galilee. He renamed the rabbis priests just like before the temple was destroyed and made them counsellors on top of studiers. Christians can't talk to God, they get answers only from Priests. Good way of brainwashing if you ask me. Whatever sounds good goes..

He created a quote from Jesus that said "he would destroy the "house of Satan" made with hands and create a new house without hands" based on the Roman Empire destroying the Jewish Temple.

*my thoughts...sounds to me like he was destroying one religion to make room for another...

And another thing you dumd scunt...why the hell would a Pope stand up against his whole religion to ask forgiveness from Jews for the suffering Christianity caused them. Why the heck do you think so many Christian Priests convert to Judaism. Why do you think there is such thing as Historical Facts in the study of Judaism and not JUST stories..

Don't go being a Judge of crucifiction from two thousand years ago when all you've read about it is stories my dear.


So there ya have it Christian fools...to everyone else that still follows the original and well written Old Testament, you're just a whole bunch of Jews that have been told they can't connect with God and are brainwashed by Priests.

that was so negative, yo :(

Do you study the Talmud?

[Ragga_Wh0re]

hi lou_belle.fuckass called and they want thier assfuck back!

I always knew Jesus was a jew,his own fellow jews/judaizers=high jewish priest or some shit...were the ones who fucked him over because jesus called them snakes apparently.

as for christians thinking jesus is god...youre afucking idiot :)but we all knew that!

Im christian,i was raised christian,christians dont have priests...we have pastors. Christians NEVER ONCE SAID OR EVEN THOUGHT THAT JESUS WAS GOD. Jesus is the son of God...not God himself.

youre a fucking tool shut the eff up,why dont you go write some more chicken scratch on a wall somewhere or something?!

Ill go into greater detail about how wrong and stupid you are after I get home from work. Until then,punch urself in the face for me.

thanx

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by dabbler

does this mean val is religious?

once upon a time,i was a good christian girl...but then i discovered wicca!