Pope's coffin had SKULL & BONES on it!!1one

[PHUNK]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

That's him alright, his cover is blown, he's a fake christian/mason. You probably already know, but don't talk to any masons about this shit ;) ... unless you hear some pigeons flying by chirping "coooo, cooooo."

i didn't know he was a mason, but i knew about his pseudo christian bullshit.

i'm beginning to find out more and more about everything though. sort of, stepping into the light per se. ;)

[wum]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

That's him alright, his cover is blown, he's a fake christian/mason. You probably already know, but don't talk to any masons about this shit ;) ... unless you hear some pigeons flying by chirping "coooo, cooooo."

isn't he the guy behind the huge church revival movement? 40 days something...

he's leading the great apostacy

[djmarkpaul]

Okay let's go with this.

Originally Posted by Sidekick

people like you, djmarkpaul, really bother me. you talk about how our society is satiated with consumerism (which it is) and how the human race has fallen out of touch with nature (which it has) and yet, instead of trying to reach people, you just make them feel like idiots.

Well, I don't mean to make people feel like idiots. I can try to be less challanging if you will, but I've done that on this site already and it hasn't done much good. Maybe I need to be more consistent, but when people tell you that you are full of shit without having the slightest idea what your references are, it can be bothersome. Maybe I should just let it roll off my back, and for the next series of posts in this thread, I will do my best not to be condescending or anything to that extent.

The sad fact is that our society has been duped. The truth hurts, and no matter how much you try sugar coating it, there will always be people "plugged" into the matrix as it were, that not only won't give you a chance for a true open discussion, they don't want to.

Why?

Because we have been lead down the garden path enjoying the view not knowing the destination, it is just so obscure to what we are conditioned by from good teachers and parents that it really doesn't sit right when you hear it plain and clear. It's a slap to the face, and most people don't want that, they would rather enjoy the last moments of our decline.

Originally Posted by Sidekick

what's funny is that you don't realize that lots of people on this board share a lot of the same opinions as you. granted, i'm not as radical in my thinking as you are, but i agree that consumerism runs rampant in our society, and i agree that many things are corrupt and that money and power and greed have become the central pillars holding up a civilization that has to collapse at some point if we continue on the path we have chosen.

Well, I disagree somewhat. Greed is the problem. Money is great, it's the people that own the printing presses that are a part of that problem. People don't realize how money is created, and economics is just another big lie and is provable to be a lie. Trick is people have to listen. This agenda I speak of makes the connection that folks will wake up to it's general behavior, and so they subvert it with their own institutions and media. Like making movies like Farenheit 9/11 or National Treasure. Creating phoney protest coalitions, and really alot of it just takes care of itself. Like alot of the enviornmental groups and children's charities are really a mockery once you know what you are looking at.

I know alot of people get the general gist and work within these institutions to try and make the world a better place, but unwittingly, they are actually helping those that they are up against.

Originally Posted by Sidekick

but man, your tactics at talking to people really need to be worked on. if you really want to get out there and wake people up and make them realize the things that you're trying to convince them of...then insulting them and making them feel like mass consumer sheep is not the way to do it. you seem like a pretty smart guy, and i would have thought you would have figured this point out already. people generally don't like to be insulted and they're not going to listen to someone who belittles them and takes on a high-and-mighty attitude toward his beliefs.

This is all well and good, and as I said, I will tone it down for the rest of this thread. There are good people like yourself and ff that have woken up somewhat to this corruption, but the thing is unless you know what you are up against, you will be fooled again. The only reason I have this information was because I let go of ALL my predisposed ideas on how society works when I started researching this stuff. I simply ask for the same, and many who claim they are being "skeptic" just can't do it. It's ego, and it gets in our way alot, that is part of the reason on why I blow up in threads like this.

I definetly am not high and mighty though, it may seem that way, but I've said countless times, I WANT PEOPLE TO PROVE ME WRONG. If I have been spewing disinformation, I want it to quell immediately! Really. Besides, you make it sound like all I do is poke fun at people. I have given countless leads to people on this site, if they aren't interested, it doesn't matter how nice I present myself, they simply won't look into it. If people could realize why I am so upset and just take a look at some of the leads, maybe then they would understand.

Maybe it's a long shot, but hey, it's worth a try.

Originally Posted by Sidekick

if you just toned down your 'hate' for the rest of the people in the world and spoke to them like actual human beings instead of retarded little kids then maybe some of your points would get accross.

I've tried that and have got mainly insults. I don't see Wum attacking people in this thread, it may seem far fetched granted, but there is no real research being done by most fellow board memebers. They make fun of the situation and him, you are guilty of this aswell. Take your own advice please.

Originally Posted by Sidekick

some people feel the same way you do about many of the subjects that you talk about, but you always shoot them down because you automatically assume that they're not as 'radical' and are corrupted by the 'system'. you need to learn to give people a chance before you turn up your chin and start spouting your greater-than-thou philosophy.

I know they feel the same way about many issues, but they don't have the whole picture in view, and I got to admit, neither do I. I don't claim to be greater-than-thou, your beliefs are your choice, it just pains me to see how many people don't realize what has become to me painfully obvious.

It's hard to give people a chance when they haven't bothered to give you one first when you are really trying to be altruistic.

Originally Posted by Sidekick

now maybe i'm completely wrong about you...maybe you really don't want to reach other people. maybe you have given up on us poor dogs in the rest of the society. the way you write your posts now, it seems like this is the case. it looks as though you're just writing the posts to make yourself feel better and to remind yourself just how much dumber everyone else is than you and how blinded they are and how only YOU know the real truth.

i mean, if you are actually writing these posts to reach people and help them learn the 'truth' as you see it...why would you go around making them feel like idiots? doesn't sound like a very good tactic to me.

What about your tactic? You are getting really defensive here and not even addressing one issue I have made, not even one.

Don't you think I would be more open to civilized discussion if people took interest regardless of how radical these issues may seem?

I really hope you can realize, the truth will set you free, but at first it will hurt, after pain there is healing, many don't want to go there because they fear the pain of the world being flipped turned upside-down from them, but it is just a fact of life. I really hope we can move this debate to a more civilized manner and will happily address any questions you have.

The problem now is, do you actually have any questions, or are you here just to keep yourself comfortable?

I eagerly await your response.

[mapleleaf4ever]

^ I eagerly await a shorter more concise post. :)

[sidekick]

djmarkpaul:

thanks for listening to what i had to say :) i figured you would. and yeah, i understand that the problem isn't just the fact that you are abrasive most of the time in your writings...i know that people tend to sling-mud at other people who bring up controversial and hard to swallow ideas that they aren't used too and that seem far-fetched. and yes, like you pointed out, i've also been guilty of poking fun and making jokes without actually addressing the issues. it's not that i don't care about the issues or anything, it's just that sometimes i don't have the time to sit down at my computer and write out my thoughts...and i would rather just post some (hopefully) funny sarcastic remark.

also, when i was talking about money and greed and power as the corrupt pillars of society, i meant when they work together. i agree that money is good, but i was saying it's one of those pillars only when it is combined with greed and power (which all too often, it is).

as for how i was defensive and never addressed any of the issues in your previous posts on this subject--well, that wasn't my intention with that post. frankly, i don't have the knowledge of the subject of the Pope or that secret society that everyone talks about to enter into a debate on this subject. i only made my post as a response to your general debating style as i've seen it in this thread and in other threads. so, don't think i was ignoring the issue on purpose and defending myself (and others on this board)...i guess my post was a sort of side-step from the rest of this thread.

i understand that it's hard to give people chances and stay calm and be nice to them when they just shoot down your ideas right away without really talking to you about it...but you know why they do that? because what you say is completely radical most of the time (not in the teenage mutant ninja turtle sense of the word). you bring up things that are simply just very hard to believe. and i know that's your intention, because you want people to start thinking about the corruption of the 'system' that they are plugged into, as you put it. i agree that people need to look around more and dive deeper into the workings of our society (because hell, we all know there are many things wrong with it); but i do disagree that it's ALL corrupt and ALL bad. maybe you see that as me being blinded by certain things, but i don't (which i suppose is the entire thing about being blind anyway).

you may be right about the stuff you say, and you may be wrong...but keep in mind when people are attacking you and belittling your ideas, it's because they are SO different (whether wrong or correct) that it's hard to take you seriously sometimes.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by -ff-

I'm sorry dude, but now you're just being patronizing. I read a lot of news (from a lot of different sources), with what I think is a pretty critical eye. I've spent four years studying political science in school. I'm not some kind of ignorant or blind sheep.

Actually, you snubbed me a while back when you never responded to a completely alturistic PM I wrote you. See your problem is you say you are not an ignorant or blind sheep, but if there is some err in your philosophy, how will you revise it with that kind of infallible attitude?

I do give a lot of leads as to why I believe what I do. You have ignored them all mate, so despite how nice you expect me to be it doesn't make the biggest difference, you still either face the tune or you don't.

You taking four years studying political science only furthers my outlook, as I have taken a year and can tell you that it is chalk full of suggestive thinking. I don't know how your experience was, but in mine I was taught what to believe, not how to learn. If all the bigger teams are controlled does it really matter where you cast your ballot?

Originally Posted by -ff-

And before you start getting all holy about how all of the mass media is all secretly owned by the corrupt NWO and our education institutions have been subverted and are secretly actually just propaganada factories, check yourself for one second. Not everyone except for you and your few trusted sources at your favorite websites is just some moronic automaton incapable of seeing the world for what it really is.

Since you can't even entertain that notion, if it does so happen to exist in the way I describe, you are helping it this corruption. Please ponder that for a moment. Also, it is fallacy for you to say I get my info from a few crackpot websites, as you haven't looked into any of my sources. I cite sources from back of newspapers stripped of it's spin, and declassified military documents. Is that so unreasonable? If the system really is the way I say it is, can there be anything more irrefutable?

You've avoided all my other questions, but really now I am going on a limb and trying my best to be as respectful as possible. If you avoid these last couple questions then you really aren't living up to your name.

Originally Posted by -ff-

The people who work for those media outlets? Those CBC and BBC reporters? What - are they just stupid? Have they all lost their ethics? They're either incapable of finding out these secret truths or have all been paid off? The professors at our universities - what about them? I have a lot of respect for some of these people and have worked very closesly with them. Some of them are the most brilliant political, analytical, or critical minds I have ever met - and some of them have exposed me to some very incicsive critical theory (pick up a book by theador adorno, herbert marcuse, or michel foucault one day) so I don't think that I've just been fed pablum or trained to see the world as 'those shady guys controlling everything want me to.'

Before you can understand how widespread the corruption is, you really have to imagine it to be the worst case scienario. You really have to get as catious as possible and entertain the notion that maybe yes alot of the reporters are paid off, or are in on it, or just don't realize the complexity of the situation. Only then, if there is any truth to what I say, you will see it. You really have to get completely out of your comfort zone to do this, and take the example of saying you don't have a clue. I had to do this also, and the reason is because belief systems defend themselves, to properly revise them, you must strip all previous beliefs and start from scratch. If it is the way I say, it's the ONLY approach to find truth in these matters.

Originally Posted by -ff-

Just because I don't buy into your 'aliens in deep underground military bases are secretly conspiring with the lizard people and the pope' theories doesn't mean that I'm sitting here jacking off to britany spears and buying into the world on offer through Fox News.

Now you are being patronizing man, can you dig the irony? I never said this was the case. However, they have marketed revolution, you can go by a Che beanie or an obey shirt practically anywhere now, and that's just the start.

Originally Posted by -ff-

My perception of 'taking the world seriously' is perhaps just a little different than yours. The fact that I think unrestrained global capital, bad american foreign policy, and discrimination are the most pressing problems facing the world right now just means my analysis of the problems is different than yours. So take your condescending conspiracy theory spewing self rigteousness and shove it, okay?

Blaming countries won't do any good, as they are already controlled. This is provable. Discrimination is an very sensitive issue that is chalk full of double speak and is leading to a melting pot culture. Unrestrained global capital is something that we are in together, and I agree is a problem, but we have to unite if we are going to stop it, and it starts with eliminating all preconcieved notions on society, and looking into the empirical evidence that suggests a NWO agenda.

I never once told you to shove it man, the truth hurts, critisize the message, not the messenger.

[esoter1c]

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[dre420]

The Northwoods Documents are definetly a must-read.

http://www.retakingamerica.com/northwoods_page_1.html

[Krusha]

yikes , reading this thread , i remember why i fucked off from fnk

mark , chill out and go outside

*turns off computer and goes to the gym*

[Grapes]

i don't understand. he is giving you tips on how to not be such an idiot. i'd accept them and say thank you; then go rent that movie. i bet you would learn something about the world.

You really don't understand.

First of all, I'm not an idiot.

Secondly, I've seen that movie, I'd already studied many of the concepts they discussed in University, and I found a lot of the conclusions the (brilliant) speakers in the film came to were more or less in line with my own. I really did feel I learned something about the world from watching that movie.

With all that said:

What the flying fuck does that have to do with me baiting Wum?

So, to come full cirlce, you really don't understand... so keep your cake hole closed!

Cheers!

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by mapleleaf4ever

^ I eagerly await a shorter more concise post. :)

The truth hurts, you can dilute yourself by picking a side and voting liberal, but political ideology doesn't have much to do with it's application in the real world.

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by Sidekick

but i do disagree that it's ALL corrupt and ALL bad. maybe you see that as me being blinded by certain things, but i don't (which i suppose is the entire thing about being blind anyway).

I never claimed it was all corrupt and bad, ignorant for the most part maybe, but not without the right intentions. Seeing how compartmentalized our society is, we are all blind to a degree, and the problem isn't people wanting to do the right thing, it's the ego that doesn't want to question itself when it believes it is doing the right thing. It stops us from making that connection, which is also crafted to be embraced, not questioned, by our society. Still just another coincidence I s'pose.

Originally Posted by Sidekick

you may be right about the stuff you say, and you may be wrong...but keep in mind when people are attacking you and belittling your ideas, it's because they are SO different (whether wrong or correct) that it's hard to take you seriously sometimes.

I know. It's our own duty to get over our own ego and bring an attitude of learning that overrides bewilderment, that said, maybe you can expect to see me less on this site from now on. I'm almost done with this issue in regardsto me posting here about it, maybe a thread or 2 left on my behalf and I will fuck off. Really, I don't mean to be a babysitter and realize it's follies only this late.

Regards,

Markus

[P.A.R.T.Y]

Hey Mark, I agree with you in some regards.
Inevitably plastic cards will replace paper bills. This has been a popular notion for over 20 years. Its a lot easier to go into debt when your spending money you don't have with a creditcard that allows you to stress on a daily basis over an interest rate that is completely insane. However, I don't think the fazing out of dollar bills is something we will see anytime yet.
On another note, I went on Yahoo.ca today and read the headline that Canada is buying into a National ID card like the UK, just as you predicted. Plastic cards are phasing out the tangible documents we have grown accustomed. But is this not progress? Isn't this technology making out lives easier?
I don't like the idea of being tracked down on request any more than you, but I wouldn't burn the flag because they want me to hold yet another plastic card in my wallet. The article goes on to mention that you won't need a passport to visit the US anymore, just this card. Seems pretty easy to me.
Mark, sometimes I think your being a bitch. You take this shit from these people and you get all defensive. Why do you care if they don't?
I get a lot of slack from people on futureproducers.com, they think Im an idiot for using analog synths and have threatened to pull my babies out in the rain after they tar and feather me.
In conclusion, keep up the good fight. To those who disagree- Would you rather live on your knees or die on your feet? The choice is yours.

[esoter1c]

There there thread, it's ok, you just go back to sleep now, that's a good thread.

[PHUNK]

ya seriously, wtf.

why did this thing come back from the dead?