what do you guys think about the new 81 storey building going up Surrey?

[fable]

Its not the cost of property that is causing this.

I just don't buy into the fact that someone should be able to work at McDonalds full time and be able to afford to buy property, it breeds lazyness.

in once sentance you manged to be racist, ignorant, and completely unaware of the social situational problems that faces aboriginals, ex addicts, victims of sexual abuse. clients in the mental health community, and immigrants.

You need to see the world bro, and get the fuck off the exctacy.

[BongMan]

Regarding Leviathan



This is how I totally see it, we have free schooling up to the end of grade 12 I got my diploma and that means a lot to an employer when looking for a job. If, you get the first job and quite usually you do work hard at it get a good name for ya selfe gain some skills it makes finding a decent paying job extremely easy.

[BongMan]

Hold up how was that even racist ex drug addicts that is their own problem they chose it they should fuckin live with it no remorse for them. Sexual Abuse victims I feel for but we do have the neccesary stuff to help them along.

[Pussy*Kat]

^^ jeff we have talked about this

[BongMan]

hehehe Kat you rock movies and pot some time this weekend I will rent somthing good.

[Leviathan]

Yeah I'm still trying to figure out why that was racist as well. He can support the ex addicts all he wants but I'm with you on this. I refuse to help anyone who put themselves in that position in the first place.

Seems to me he is saying that anyone who has been sexually abused or is aboriginal is poor and needs cheap housing. We all know that all the poor people have really good reasons for being poor, ie none of them are just plain lazy.

Originally Posted by BongMan

Hold up how was that even racist ex drug addicts that is their own problem they chose it they should fuckin live with it no remorse for them. Sexual Abuse victims I feel for but we do have the neccesary stuff to help them along.

[BongMan]

Ya idonno a lot of agoriginals I know live in pretty decent conditions but hey they work so, what do I know.

[Leviathan]

of the 1.7 million households that live on under 20k a year, how many of them are victims of special circumstance? ie Sexual abuse, aboriginals, mental?

[fable]

Yeah I'm still trying to figure out why that was racist as well.

just don't buy into the fact that someone should be able to work at McDonalds full time and be able to afford to buy property, it breeds lazyness.

What specifc social/ethnic group has the majority of jobs in the "menial labour" market?

Are you telling me you werent thinking immigrants? Fuck you, your a lier then.

One of the greatest myths in this fucking country and the world for that matter is that land had to be commodified. Feudalism was the earliest capitalism, and current real estate developers put profit before "providing habitat" 100% of the time. Its is in the clause of vancouver development laws that 20% of residence in a new development has to be allocated towards affordable housing, BUT the developer has the option to buy out that 20% paying the city. The downtown east side is the 2nd poorest neighborhood in the country and yet it has the most expensive rent in the greater vancouver area. The hotel rentals which are a little over 100sq ft go for 400 dollars a month. The average rent in vancouver for a one bedroom is 850$, if someone is only making minumum wage, can that person afford rent?

Now back to surrey, what is the percentage of this new tower, is being set aside for afforrdable renting?

You shit on ex addicts, you shit on immigrants, you shit on indegenous peoples, and yet you support large development companies and the government that suuports them as well? And you have a problem with MY words? What sort of inhuman life do you life, you heartless fuck?

[fable]

Originally Posted by Billy Shears

80% of the homeless don't have proper homes... what does that even mean?

substandard housing, slums, living with friends

[fable]

Hold up how was that even racist ex drug addicts that is their own problem they chose it they should fuckin live with it no remorse for them. Sexual Abuse victims I feel for but we do have the neccesary stuff to help them along.

wow ur amazing

[Leviathan]

Your a fucking tool if you think that was directed at immigrants. Your just pissed because you can't cut it in the free market.

[fable]

Your a fucking tool if you think that was directed at immigrants. Your just pissed because you can't cut it in the free market.

FREE MARKET!!!!! hahahaahhaahahahahahahahahaahahahha, thats priceless man, priceless. You ignore our countries corrupt past, you ignore our countries corrupt present, and you talk about a free market. Theres blood on your hands asshole(and mine!) and you accuse me of not being able to make it in the free market?

Im making it just fine homey, mortgage and all, dont you worry about me, just dont get caught with the wrong side, when the people decide to revolt

[fable]

leviathen, you have room for one more in your castle way up dream world?

[BongMan]

Well so much for being civil hey there buddy fuck your posts are all the same grow up and get a fucking life it is obvious we dont agree so why come back and keep starting fucking shit. Should the developer have to set aside a percentage for subsidized housing fuck no I wouldn't. If you want it that way go live in a country that works like that and leave us to our own. I fucking despise you people that try to push your ideals onto others. We fucking disagree with you and you just spout shit off, you call people tools and other names but if anyone ever says somthing to you holyshitfuck the stuff hits the fan... So in other words




FUCK OFFF YOU ANNOYING SHIT

[mugwump]

cliff notes???

so i think we're discussing if developers have a 'responsibility' to the public, right?

[BongMan]

Fable took it way beyond and twisted it into his usuall anti society Capitalism shit

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by fable

a recent report submitted by CCPA, Social Watch and independant economists stated:


and


and from the Centre for Policy Alternatives



from an article on the "hidden homless" by Raising the roof.



i can go on forever man, every major credible stats provider shows that homelessness and poverty is growing and growing, You and i can banter back and forth, so im outtie, but sooner or later the relevancy of that old tried and true cliche statement "the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer" is increasingly becoming a reality. You only need to open your eyes.

my stats are from stats canada, not think tanks, i dont know which is a bigger load of shit the articles published by the Centre for policy alternatives or the frasier institute.

the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting richer, just not as fast as the rich, thats what is real.

inequality will never go away, we are born unequal regardles of the values of society, history precedent or the given political system. Inequality is persistant and there will never be a way to eliminate it, its almost natural, ever heard of a food chain? and no im not advocating social darwinism, its just the way life is.

[mugwump]

i don't have a problem with inequality as long as people are eating and not living on the streets. And if they are, i think charities can fill the role:)

[fable]

If you want it that way go live in a country that works like that and leave us to our own. I fucking despise you people that try to push your ideals onto others. We fucking disagree with you and you just spout shit off, you call people tools and other names but if anyone ever says somthing to you holyshitfuck the stuff hits the fan... So in other words

"US!?" "OUR!?" who the fuck are you talking about kid!? You just illustrated a point, that i had no part of, and thats who your allegience is to - the corporate elite. and the government. Your racist and prejudiced bullshit is apprerently allowed on this board, you speak it ouside of your house, and your the walking dead,

This country was built on genocide and theft. Real estate developers outside of the realm of socio-conscious strategies are after one thing and that is profit. You obviouslly support it becuase you are benefitting from it. YOU FUCK OFF, its time people start taking little shit mutherfuckers like you who dont give a fuck about people outside your clique, and throwing em to the fucking dogs. You are scum, your words are indicative of a bootloocking uncle to self serving mutherfucker. I came with stats, and ideas, YOU came with alienation, callousness and bullshit. Asides from sean! and his skewed facts YOU GOT NOTHING. YOU ARE NOTHING except a small little child, who know fuck all about the country you live in and the government and corporations you support.

[mugwump]

^^ dude, stop being such a Canada hater

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by mugwump

i don't have a problem with inequality as long as people are eating and not living on the streets. And if they are, i think charities can fill the role:)

thats a very libertarian thing to say, you must be wum...have you finished reading atlas shrugged yet wumsies?

[mugwump]

so what's your deal anyway, fable?

[fable]

the fraser insitute is indeed a load of bullshit. And equality is a term that will have relevance throughout our history. Im not talking about survivial of the fittest, im talking about oppression. Pure oppression. Real estate looking for profits before contributing to some sort of long standing social stability oppression. Military lobby having the loudest voice in this country oppression. Killing in the name of wireless internet oppression. You think if the government does it abroad, then dont at home? Wake the fuck up man. What has the government and real estate developers and big corporate business done for you, that you will support them before your own brothers and sisters? What the fuck has it done for you? What do you/study/where you from? Im fucking curious.

Where in Stats Canada does it say poverty and racial/class exploitation is on a decrease WHERE!? The rich are getting richer? You think they exist in fucking bizaro world where the process of "getting rich" doesnt effect anyone? You think im just talking about competiveness in the work field? Give some credit, and stop being so HOUSE N**** pathetic!

You support a government and a corporate structure that has shit on indigenous and french rights since the very fucking inception of this country. How can you ignore this? How can you say things are fucking different? Do you think that im just wining, becuase im lazy, or that the people i align myself are less smart, business savy or just stupid? Are you going to tell me next the government isnt inherently oppressive?

NAIVE! And my question is why? Why do protect big business so much!? Why sean!
Did you catch my bit about SNC lavelin before, you argued against the idea that canadian government had any involvement and you were wrong. What else are you wrong about? What else are you afraid to admit?

That we are all involved in a massive manipulation that controls us, divides us, makes us turn on one another? Look at bongmans comments, hes shitting on everyone! Why!? Why shit on me?? Am i raising tuitions, raising rent, destroying low income housing, give tax breaks to big business? Am i in Haiti training the HNP to slaughter there own people? Am i part of CIDA, that disguises massive money as "rehabilitation funds?"

Give me more stats sean, thats all you have, and all the other econ bullshit that gets shoved down your throat. The same shit that drives a fucking wedge between you and I. I aint speaking like this becuase i like to, i dont enjoy being thought of as a crazy fuck. But your #'s mean nothing, I would give up my house, and all my things in a fucking second if it meant a few more people could fucking eat, a few more immigrants were able to live without fear of instant deportation or being imprissoned becuase of security certificates. Id give up my discman if the indian act never existed, or if jean chretiens white pages never saw the light of day. Id give up all my precious art supplies if BOSA construction didnt walk into another area, wipe out all chances of demographic specific housing. I would, I have and will again.

Im sorry to rant so hard man, but your blinded by your own desire to succeed, to realize that humanity doesnt need another millionaire, its needs a few less.

[mugwump]

*cu-ckoo*