what do you guys think about the new 81 storey building going up Surrey?

[mugwump]

Originally Posted by fable

the fraser insitute is indeed a load of bullshit. And equality is a term that will have relevance throughout our history. Im not talking about survivial of the fittest, im talking about oppression. Pure oppression. Real estate looking for profits before contributing to some sort of long standing social stability oppression. Military lobby having the loudest voice in this country oppression. Killing in the name of wireless internet oppression. You think if the government does it abroad, then dont at home? Wake the fuck up man. What has the government and real estate developers and big corporate business done for you, that you will support them before your own brothers and sisters? What the fuck has it done for you? What do you/study/where you from? Im fucking curious.

not feelin' the equality aspect of your argument, or how capitalism and 'oppression' are synomymous, but i agree that the military lobbying for anything is bad news. in fact, i'm against all forms of lobby, but the most pernicious being the pharmaceuticals. then again, i'm against taxes.:)

Originally Posted by fable

Where in Stats Canada does it say poverty and racial/class exploitation is on a decrease WHERE!? The rich are getting richer? You think they exist in fucking bizaro world where the process of "getting rich" doesnt effect anyone? You think im just talking about competiveness in the work field? Give some credit, and stop being so HOUSE N**** pathetic!

there's definately something there and this needs to be looked into, so i guess i won't comment beyond that.

Originally Posted by fable

You support a government and a corporate structure that has shit on indigenous and french rights since the very fucking inception of this country. How can you ignore this? How can you say things are fucking different? Do you think that im just wining, becuase im lazy, or that the people i align myself are less smart, business savy or just stupid? Are you going to tell me next the government isnt inherently oppressive?

Agreed. gov't blows, but it seems that you're suggesting instead a super overarching socialistic one? Big gov't is an anathema to freedom. always. Dangerous master, powerful servant. I think someone important said something like that.

[fable]

Originally Posted by mugwump

so what's your deal anyway, fable?

apperently im the one who you hate. The condesending, preachy mutherfucker who has a bleeding heart and is too stupid to understand that 50% of the people that i get in arguments with are the same people who are the reason why so much oppression goes on in this country and abroad.Theyre so entrenched in their selfishness that as far as theyre concerened, my opinions along with myself can die.

well dieing is inevitable, struggle and political action my only option.

Whats inside of you?

[mugwump]

Originally Posted by fable

apperently im the one who you hate. The condesending, preachy mutherfucker who has a bleeding heart and is too stupid to understand that 50% of the people that i get in arguments with are the same people who are the reason why so much oppression goes on in this country and abroad.Theyre so entrenched in their selfishness that as far as theyre concerened, my opinions along with myself can die.

well dieing is inevitable, struggle and political action my only option.

Whats inside of you?

it wont get better until jeebus comes back:(

[fable]

you're suggesting instead a super overarching socialistic one? Big gov't is an anathema to freedom. always. Dangerous master, powerful servant. I think someone important said something like that.

wtf!? you made a point! without shitting on me too!? I think the only duty that the government as we know it should be responsible for is the distribution of goods. But that is so far away, that i dont even know what it looks like?

as for quotes and such, a few that i am studying and dissecting include:

We must carry the war into every corner the enemy happens to carry it: to his home, to his centers of entertainment; a total war. It is necessary to prevent him from having a moment of peace, a quiet moment outside his barracks or even inside; we must attack him wherever he may be, make him feel like a cornered beast wherever he may move

am not interested in dry economic socialism. We are fighting against misery, but we are also fighting against alienation. One of the fundamental objectives of Marxism is to remove interest, the factor of individual interest, and gain, from people's psychological motivations. Marx was preoccupied both with economic factors and with their repercussions on the spirit. If communism isn't interested in this too, it may be a method of distributing goods, but it will never be a revolutionary way of life.

There is no other definition of socialism valid for us than that of the abolition of the exploitation of man by man.

and

You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong no matter who does it or who says it.

i also appreciated malcom x's talk about the "house n****, and the farm n****. It is prevalent in this day in age, when trying to understand peoples allegiences.

There is much of ghandi that i respect and reflect on, but i am still to egotistical, hateful, and narrowminded to walk his road just yet.

[PaIniNyErAnUs]

Originally Posted by fable

Whats inside of you?

fable, i knew you had it in you you kinky muthaphucker

[fable]

Originally Posted by mugwump

it wont get better until jeebus comes back:(

save us jeeeeeebbbbuuuussss!!!

i aint a religeous man, but im sure if there was ever a man such as jesus, he probably would have been awight. Although id probably lend him some pants and a hat before we went to the bar.

[mugwump]

Originally Posted by fable

wtf!? you made a point! without shitting on me too!? I think the only duty that the government as we know it should be responsible for is the distribution of goods. But that is so far away, that i dont even know what it looks like?

how do i say this... planned economies sort of have a habit of going the way of the Soviet Union? :012:

besides, if you want to stamp out 'capitalist corruption' as you say, imagine how bad things will get if completely enable them by nationalizing everything and giving them lobbying powers? *cough*trifecta of FDA, big pharma, and now forced psychological testing*cough*

as for the Marxism stuff, that's another thread for tomorrow.

[fable]

nationalizing everything

this comes up when people give the example that we are under the "US yoke" I dont think any sort of nationalism needs to be prescribed to. I think one the hardest things to accomplish is to try to get people to understand the "Canada" is english for "fuck off this our land now!"

when i mean distribution i mean just that, helping things get from point a to point b. Think UPS with better suits.

Where did the FDA and pharmacutical come from? Im a little ignorant of current issues outside of " pharmacuteical companies" are the devils work!

and i aint talking straight marxism, and neither was che or malcom or fidel or ...... It gets updated, and it mutates, and admittedlly im not as well versed on classic marxism, so really in terms of ideology and tanginble goal setting, im still a student.

i think the failure of the USSR was that "communism" in its form wasnt intended to be a permanent state. It was a transitionary model at best?

Lets talk about CUBA!

[Two_Six]

Let's talk about China. 50 years as a communist state and they're still doing fine.

[fable]

Originally Posted by Two_Six

Let's talk about China. 50 years as a communist state and they're still doing fine.

From the little i know of Chinese History, the government is as imperialistic as they come?

But if you got an opinion do share.

[BongMan]

Fable you really are a prick I agree with some of the shit you say but I don't agree with the way you try to get it out to people you are as overbearing as any of the corporate hawks. Post the info and let people decide for their own don't post it and when some one disagrees call them racist, stupid, or otherwise worthless. This is why I do not support radicals like you, you will never be able to come to a happy medium with people it is just insults now. I mean fuck you are pulling up the same shit you have pulled up for every thread you post don't ya think maybe it is time to give it a fucking rest cut your losses we obviously don't agree with you on a lot of stuff and you are making your selfe look like a totall prick in the process.

[Leviathan]

I love the way you classify everyone as either with you or against you. I see there isn't any middleground for you.

Don't you think it would be great if we got rid of all that big business? You know, the ones that donate millions of dollars a year to charities? Especially the Canucks, I think we should sell them off and get rid of that shitty Ronald McDonald House they have. Despite what you may think some of those big companies are good corporate citizens.

Originally Posted by fable

apperently im the one who you hate. The condesending, preachy mutherfucker who has a bleeding heart and is too stupid to understand that 50% of the people that i get in arguments with are the same people who are the reason why so much oppression goes on in this country and abroad.Theyre so entrenched in their selfishness that as far as theyre concerened, my opinions along with myself can die.

well dieing is inevitable, struggle and political action my only option.

Whats inside of you?

[BongMan]

hey what do you know you racist ignorant fuck ;)

[Leviathan]

You hit the nail on the head, there is absolutely no middle ground with him. Obviously we all know these issues exist and need to be dealt with. He just seems to think that because we support new developments that we are totally against helping people in need which is flawed.

Originally Posted by BongMan

Fable you really are a prick I agree with some of the shit you say but I don't agree with the way you try to get it out to people you are as overbearing as any of the corporate hawks. Post the info and let people decide for their own don't post it and when some one disagrees call them racist, stupid, or otherwise worthless. This is why I do not support radicals like you, you will never be able to come to a happy medium with people it is just insults now. I mean fuck you are pulling up the same shit you have pulled up for every thread you post don't ya think maybe it is time to give it a fucking rest cut your losses we obviously don't agree with you on a lot of stuff and you are making your selfe look like a totall prick in the process.

[fable]

English and if we go ferther back FRENCH.
As I like them counted with what they have done&become...

peace

no doubt.

[fable]

good corporate citizens

all your points have been taken guys, but this one is priceless!

[Toxxin Ephekt]

all you idiots dissing Surrey, clearly doesn't know a cent about Real Estate investments....*yawn*....

[BongMan]

ya I love the fact that my parents house is pushing the 500 mark they can't wait to retire and move into the interior..