what do you guys think about the new 81 storey building going up Surrey?

[mugwump]

SURREY - Preliminary plans are underway to construct Canada's tallest highrise in Surrey -- a massive 81-storey building with residential, commercial and hotel space, Mayor Doug McCallum says.

"This will be the tallest building in Canada," McCallum told The Vancouver Sun in an exclusive interview Wednesday.

"It's 81 floors. That's four times the height of Central City, which is the tallest building [in Surrey] now."

If built, the project would be much taller than Vancouver's current tallest building, the 48-storey Wall Centre, and the skyscraper that's going to take over that title, the 60-storey Shangri-La, once it's completed in about 2008.

First Canadian Place in Toronto says on its website that it is now the country's tallest highrise, at 72 storeys. The CN Tower in Toronto remains Canada's tallest free-standing structure, stretching 1,815 feet (553 metres).

The proposed 81-storey Surrey building to be located near the King George SkyTrain station would, at about 900 feet, be four times higher than the tallest structure in Surrey right now: the 20-storey Central City office tower, attached to a shopping mall and an SFU campus, on 102 Avenue.

http://www.canada.com/vancouver/vanc...8-4e98ff2eb45e

isn't Doug McCullum known for kickbacks and chit?

***DRAMA***

[esoter1c]

I don't.

[mugwump]

^^i should have made the 'thinkers' disclaimer more obvious ^_^

[esoter1c]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Everyone knows its a desperate attempt by McCallum.

[narc]

Election Results 2005
Position Name
Mayor Dianne Watts

McCallum was booted out of City Hall yesterday.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Narc

Election Results 2005
Position Name
Mayor Dianne Watts

McCallum was booted out of City Hall yesterday.

I know.

I never said it worked.

[_bRiTt]

mah, surreys already fucked so who cares

what about the 4 30 storey business buildings and city center going up i nwhite rock

now thats fucked

[fable]

more unaffordable housing.

[impure]

why in surrah?
isn't the property value just going to depreciate?
and isn't shaw tower the tallest building in van?

[thebobman]

two words:
cheap. land.

two more words:
poor location

and another two:
no tenants.

[gnosis]

Go for: ghetto

Frosty
(pegs new gang-starr territory)

[narc]

Originally Posted by impure

why in surrah?
isn't the property value just going to depreciate?
and isn't shaw tower the tallest building in van?

its also leaning to the east.

[mugwump]

Originally Posted by thebobman

two words:
cheap. land.

two more words:
poor location

and another two:
no tenants.

you'd think that people who invest the hundreds of millions of dollars it takes to build this thing would have the sense to build it anywhere but whalley.

honestly, what gives?

and surrey people, what do you think of the prospect of literally living in the shawow of this obilisk type thing that will be taller than the canadian flag at the chevy dealership?

i just think it's so fucked up. definately an eye sore. :sh4un:

[thebobman]

I think the idea was to add momentum to the push to revitalize Whalley similar to the Surrey Central project. They just forget that nobody really wants to skytrain to work in Whalley. Or live in Whalley. Or stay in a hotel in Whalley.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the plan is dead. Which is good, it would have just been a total waste of developer money

[miss.myra]

Originally Posted by SweetEzZe

mah, surreys already fucked so who cares

what about the 4 30 storey business buildings and city center going up i nwhite rock

now thats fucked

that is fucked, I grew up in White Rock and have been away from there for five years and I barely recognize the place anymore. It's sad. I kind of liked how WR was different from other suburbs in that it was pretty quaint and not some kind of weird strip mall paradise.

[mugwump]

Originally Posted by thebobman

I think the idea was to add momentum to the push to revitalize Whalley similar to the Surrey Central project. They just forget that nobody really wants to skytrain to work in Whalley. Or live in Whalley. Or stay in a hotel in Whalley.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the plan is dead. Which is good, it would have just been a total waste of developer money

actually they seem to be pouring cement for the foundation.

again, this kind of money to build something doesn't get spent recklessly.

i wonder what's really going on? :149:

[mugwump]

this kind of thing wouldn't happen if all property was private

[fable]

this kind of thing wouldn't happen if all property was private

I think you meant public?

How does the complete privatization of ALL property in this province, country, translate into a positive thing? Is this supposed to in some way, a better akternative to ensure things such as affordable housing, or legitimate money spending?

If all property was privatized, then i personally belive that 100% of said property would be controlled and sunsequently available to the general public only throughn specific allocation by a small percentage of the entrire population. This small percentage or ruling class would then have somewhat of a monopoly of real eastate which is still manages to thrive under our current system of land ownership.

[mugwump]

Originally Posted by fable

I think you meant public?

How does the complete privatization of ALL property in this province, country, translate into a positive thing? Is this supposed to in some way, a better akternative to ensure things such as affordable housing, or legitimate money spending?

if people could control their own property, especially through covenants, they probably wouldn't opt for such a monstrosity in their own backyards. and if they did, their asking price would probably be well enough to move them to a much better place :silly: :260:

Originally Posted by fable

If all property was privatized, then i personally belive that 100% of said property would be controlled and sunsequently available to the general public only throughn specific allocation by a small percentage of the entrire population. This small percentage or ruling class would then have somewhat of a monopoly of real eastate which is still manages to thrive under our current system of land ownership.

that doesnt make sense to me. private me means you control it, not others.

wtf?!??

[thebobman]

well, if they are building it, they're building it right next to the King George Skytrain, which is a pretty straight up sketchy area, If nothing else it's good to see some actual development around the skytrain line

As for it not being more affordable housing, look, it's Surrey, there's already a LOT of pretty cheap housing in the area, not that you'd really want to live around Whalley.

Also, I'm pretty sure Skytrain is still publically owned, it's not as though the public is barred from access the skytrain at any station...

And the ruling class does have a pretty decent monopoly on real-estate, well, the real-estate that MATTERS....

[decypher]

Originally Posted by mugwump

that doesnt make sense to me. private me means you control it, not others.

wtf?!??

Privatization of property, meaning that a small group of developers control that land then allocate it out. Theres no standardization with this method.

[fable]

attn mugwump::

Hmm i think that your not talking about privatization, your talking about something more akin to the model of community based living and operation?

Privitization means tha select developers have the ability to keep 100% of the profit, and a growing reality of not being held accountable by the public. If you are able to then purchase developed property by said developers then your in good, but your doing this at at the chance of the oppression and exploitation of the poor and working classes.

Im not saying that all members of the general populace who own property are bad, but DEVELOPERS are increasingly buying land that either the government of Canada has no business selling due to the fact that they dont own the land, or that they are buying and developing land that only a select percentage of the population have access too.

Please note that over 67% of British Columbia is Indigenous land that has yet to be purchased by the government.

[Leviathan]

In case you haven't noticed the 5 30+ story towers that are being built right across from Surrey Central are sold out. The SFU campus opens in sept which will have 5000 students if I remember correctly and to top it off, Whally is the most undervalued land in the lower mainland. Hell it was plastered all over the news. The land value is only going to go up there. If you honestly think that whalley is always going to be plagued by that shit then your short sighted. I wish I had the cash to dump into whalley right now strictly as an investment, once SFU opens up the prices are going to start to climb.

http://www.centralcity2005.com/
or http://www.businessedge.ca/article.cfm/newsID/9951.cfm

The surrey central building also won a decent award when it was built
World's Best Development (MIPIM Awards 2004 - Cannes, France)
http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSite...lww2t006a00001

The value of property in Whalley is going to go up, the skum is going to move east, Langley will be the next surrey :)

EDIT: the buildings going in beside king george are the 5 towers called infinity, the first link above.

Originally Posted by thebobman

I think the idea was to add momentum to the push to revitalize Whalley similar to the Surrey Central project. They just forget that nobody really wants to skytrain to work in Whalley. Or live in Whalley. Or stay in a hotel in Whalley.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure the plan is dead. Which is good, it would have just been a total waste of developer money

[fable]

In case you haven't noticed the 5 30+ story towers that are being built right across from Surrey Central are sold out.

Are you saying that because high end apts/condos are being sold out they are affordable? explain to me the direct correllation? Because there will always be a small percentage of the population other than the "ruling class" that will be able to afford housing, otherwise how will the ruling class continouslly make there money which affords them there status and power?

The SFU campus opens in sept which will have 5000 students if I remember correctly and to top it off, Whally is the most undervalued land in the lower mainland. Hell it was plastered all over the news. The land value is only going to go up there.

If the value of the land goes up, who does that directly effect? How large is this contingent of people? How much of a percent of the total population do they represent?

If you honestly think that whalley is always going to be plagued by that shit then your short sighted. I wish I had the cash to dump into whalley right now strictly as an investment, once SFU opens up the prices are going to start to climb.

Once again who does this benefit? You? Students? The working class?

http://www.centralcity2005.com/
or http://www.businessedge.ca/article.cfm/newsID/9951.cfm

The surrey central building also won a decent award when it was built
World's Best Development (MIPIM Awards 2004 - Cannes, France)
http://www.loopnet.com/xNet/MainSit...1lww2t006a00001

Haha, an award, YES!

The value of property in Whalley is going to go up, the skum is going to move east, Langley will be the next surrey :)

Skum? Your refering to fellow human being as skum? And the idea of another city being palgued by the same problems as Surrey makes you smile?

It seems to me that you have a greater affinity with those who seek to profit off others woes, than people who are struggling to survive in a landscape of skyrocketing real estate prices? As much as i respect an indivdual who works hard to purchase some piece of property for themselves, the capital and credit that is needed to secure such a property is far too inexcesible for the largest contigent of the population.

[Leviathan]

Those appartments started at 139,000, where else can you buy a brand new appartment that cheap? half of them were under 200k. And yeah I'm looking at it as a strict investment AND I have no problem with that, you hit the nail on the head. What is your idea of affordable?

EDIT

my original reply was based on this comment which is obviously a bit off considering those apartments are sold out and there is only a hole in the ground right now.

"I think the idea was to add momentum to the push to revitalize Whalley similar to the Surrey Central project. They just forget that nobody really wants to skytrain to work in Whalley. Or live in Whalley. Or stay in a hotel in Whalley."