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Old Jan 24, 06
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I hate saying this... and please God prove me wrong, as I need the re-assurance... but I have this feeling that Stephen Harper is going to cut a deal with the Bloc for another referendum... seeing as right now they both have enough votes to cut the liberals and the ndp out...
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Old Jan 24, 06
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i'm a HUGE fan of the fact that despite having a viable issue to attack the liberals with in quebec the bloc lost both seats and popular vote in this election over the last one. the beginning of the end of quebec sovereignity?
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voted liberal.

im very happy the liberals won so many seats to secure a CON minority.

aside from sponsorship mess,gun registry and other blunders the liberals have, over all , served canada well.

i strongly considerd a NDP vote but i think the liberals have a much stronger economic platform then the 'a little too left for me' NDP

so i stand STRONGLY for my liberal vote.

...im just so thankful STEVEN BUSH dose not have a majority government.
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Old Jan 24, 06
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I hate saying this... and please God prove me wrong, as I need the re-assurance... but I have this feeling that Stephen Harper is going to cut a deal with the Bloc for another referendum... seeing as right now they both have enough votes to cut the liberals and the ndp out...
the quebec referendum is something that is generated from the provincial level within quebec so there's no deal to be cut by harper. the only way they get a referendum is if the bloc quebecois wins the next provincial election (which could definitely be a possibility).

what is more likely is that harper and the block could get together on handing more control of health care over to the provinces (de facto privatization)
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Old Jan 24, 06
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this is a new government.
I like some of the changes put forward by mr. harper.

I also believe Harper will work hard in relations with Quebec.
I believe in the 5% gst and recall the broken promise the liberals gave us telling us we would get 0%,
There are other views that he shares that I will not make public cause I don't want to be scrutinized.
Saying that... there are also some other views that I do not agree with from the conservatives..however.... I am excited for this change.

I believe he will not ignore BC the way the liberals have throughout their entire term.

When Mr. Martin was here for the grey cup .. he wasn't just booed outta the stadium.. he was booed outta BC.

Hopefully this change will be good. I am glad that Conservaties did not get a majority as well. I'm ecstatic with the minority government.


And man... he is making a really good speech right now...
I'm surprised.
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Old Jan 24, 06
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the conservatives actually lost ground in bc, and the ndp AND liberals both won more seats out here than last time. while the prediction that bc would decide the results of this election didn't come true, we did help to hold the conservatives to a weaker minority than the liberals had previously
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Old Jan 24, 06
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the fact that stephen harper has changed his ideaology from last election to now quite frankly scares the shit out of me.... you don't know whats on his mind.... He's going to fuck things up.... So all you people who end up getting busted for having just one doobie... ya your fucked.... jailtime.... he made that clear during his speach in bc..... Making sure that marijuana is strictly criminalized... awesome ain't it.... Can't wait for the next non confidence vote..... Just next time nobody will have any ammunition to use...
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oh and I'm sure that george bush has a big smile on his face right now...
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BUSH has a huge simle on his face right now!
Let's see who from the liberals will emerge as the party leader.

Paul Martin made so many stupid errors on his campaign...
especially when he inadvertedly aired a commercial pretty much mocking soldiers and veterans.
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Old Jan 24, 06
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Thank Fucking God!
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Old Jan 24, 06
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Do you honestly believe that each and every party is legit and hands are clean from contreversary and scandals...... give me a fuckin break...
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Old Jan 24, 06
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BUSH has a huge simle on his face right now!
Let's see who from the liberals will emerge as the party leader.

Paul Martin made so many stupid errors on his campaign...
especially when he inadvertedly aired a commercial pretty much mocking soldiers and veterans.
actually that commercial never aired on television, but someone did make the mistake of putting it up on the liberal campaign website.

as for marijuana, the decision to prosecute has always been in the hands of local enforcement, so don't expect things to change that drastically. i doubt harper would have the support to introduce and pass a bill that increased penalties for marijuana.....now if he'd won a majority that'd be a different story.
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Old Jan 24, 06
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Every canidate is going to fuck things up. Its just a matter of which will fuck up the least.
At least with the Conservatives in, they won't try an put their hands in everything. Besides Harper is on a short leash.
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Old Jan 24, 06
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Do you honestly believe that each and every party is legit and hands are clean from contreversary and scandals...... give me a fuckin break...
nope, but the magnitude and scope of the sponsorship scandal, and it's connections to the former pms office were unprecedented in modern canadian history
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Old Jan 24, 06
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if i'm remebering correctly ndp standing in the last five elections went from 2 to 4 to 11 to 19 to 29!
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Old Jan 24, 06
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nope, but the magnitude and scope of the sponsorship scandal, and it's connections to the former pms office were unprecedented in modern canadian history

ok so take this prespective.... how has the sponsorship scandal affect you??? how did it affect canadian's???? I mean hell we do have a surplus don't we??? So if it didn't affect you what is there to bitch about.... I bet you 90% of the people in canada have NO idea what so ever as to what was the sponsorship scandal was really all about.... all they knew is that there was money passed around.... yippy do happens every day.... And nobody has since prove ANYTHING as to how the money could of been used elseware.... neither opposition parties or even judge gomery can't comment on simply because it does not exist.... face it we have a surplus.... there's TONS of money being held at ottawa and will be heald in ottawa...
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Old Jan 24, 06
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check out this guy!!!!! big ups to proving that you don't have to belong to one of the major parties to get elected!!!!!

the riding of Portneuf-Jacques-Cartier (Que.)

andre arthur (independent)

"Arthur is a self-described libertarian, interested in reducing statist intervention in the economy. He is also a noted admirer of the United States.
Arthur is known for his opposition to Quebec sovereignty, not so much because of his love of Canada, but because he fears independence would increase what he sees as the socialist tendencies of Quebec as a political entity.
He won the 2006 Canadian federal election as an Independent Member of Parliament for the Portneuf-Jacques-Cartier district of Quebec. In winning the election, Arthur became the first truly independent and non-incumbent candidate to be elected to the House of Commons since Tony Roman won an Ontario district in 1984. With no posters at all, he spent less then $1000 on his electoral campaign.


although he does have a popular talk radio show (and is apparently a bit of a kook if what you here on quebecois election forums are true)

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Old Jan 24, 06
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ok so take this prespective.... how has the sponsorship scandal affect you??? how did it affect canadian's???? I mean hell we do have a surplus don't we??? So if it didn't affect you what is there to bitch about.... I bet you 90% of the people in canada have NO idea what so ever as to what was the sponsorship scandal was really all about.... all they knew is that there was money passed around.... yippy do happens every day.... And nobody has since prove ANYTHING as to how the money could of been used elseware.... neither opposition parties or even judge gomery can't comment on simply because it does not exist.... face it we have a surplus.... there's TONS of money being held at ottawa and will be heald in ottawa...
werd...
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Old Jan 24, 06
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ok so take this prespective.... how has the sponsorship scandal affect you??? how did it affect canadian's???? I mean hell we do have a surplus don't we??? So if it didn't affect you what is there to bitch about.... I bet you 90% of the people in canada have NO idea what so ever as to what was the sponsorship scandal was really all about.... all they knew is that there was money passed around.... yippy do happens every day.... And nobody has since prove ANYTHING as to how the money could of been used elseware.... neither opposition parties or even judge gomery can't comment on simply because it does not exist.... face it we have a surplus.... there's TONS of money being held at ottawa and will be heald in ottawa...
gomery proved that there was taxpayer's money being given to quebec ad agencies to do little or no work, or to pay for the same work multiple times, with no tendering and little scrutiny. he found that money was kicked back from those agencies to local liberal riding associations to help pay off campaign expenses. he proved that the program was run out of the pm's office, and that the main players included men who had been close personal friends of Jean Chretien for years.... he'll never be able to prove Chretien new, because everyone developed amnesia.

and yippy don't, stuff like this does not happen every day. the traditional way is that you legally donate money to a party, and ok, maybe you get first crack at some juicy contracts, but this was theft pure and simple, not patronage, and it reached to the highest levels of government.
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Old Jan 24, 06
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check out this guy!!!!! big ups to proving that you don't have to belong to one of the major parties to get elected!!!!!

the riding of Portneuf-Jacques-Cartier (Que.)

"Arthur is a self-described libertarian, interested in reducing statist intervention in the economy. He is also a noted admirer of the United States.
Arthur is known for his opposition to Quebec sovereignty, not so much because of his love of Canada, but because he fears independence would increase what he sees as the socialist tendencies of Quebec as a political entity.
He won the 2006 Canadian federal election as an Independent Member of Parliament for the Portneuf-Jacques-Cartier district of Quebec. In winning the election, Arthur became the first truly independent and non-incumbent candidate to be elected to the House of Commons since Tony Roman won an Ontario district in 1984. With no posters at all, he spent less then $1000 on his electoral campaign.


although he does have a popular talk radio show (and is apparently a bit of a kook if what you here on quebecois election forums are true)

ya that guy gets a little crazy sometimes... He calls the bloc quebecois "militiants" .... which in reality they are....
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Old Jan 24, 06
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gomery proved that there was taxpayer's money being given to quebec ad agencies to do little or no work, or to pay for the same work multiple times, with no tendering and little scrutiny. he found that money was kicked back from those agencies to local liberal riding associations to help pay off campaign expenses. he proved that the program was run out of the pm's office, and that the main players included men who had been close personal friends of Jean Chretien for years.... he'll never be able to prove Chretien new, because everyone developed amnesia.

and yippy don't, stuff like this does not happen every day. the traditional way is that you legally donate money to a party, and ok, maybe you get first crack at some juicy contracts, but this was theft pure and simple, not patronage, and it reached to the highest levels of government.

ok so let me see if you know this.... do you understand the reasoning behind it however.... There is alot more to the story ya know...
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Old Jan 24, 06
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ok so let me see if you know this.... do you understand the reasoning behind it however.... There is alot more to the story ya know...
the reasoning behind it is that the federal government was in the midst of pouring millions of dollars in to quebec to fight the referndum, which in my mind makes it even more heinous that these guys stole. i mean they were lining their own pockets with money that was supposed to be going towards holding the country together at a extremely crucial time in it's history.
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Old Jan 24, 06
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the reasoning behind it is that the federal government was in the midst of pouring millions of dollars in to quebec to fight the referndum, which in my mind makes it even more heinous that these guys stole. i mean they were lining their own pockets with money that was supposed to be going towards holding the country together at a extremely crucial time in it's history.

ahh ok bingo so you do know that.... ok but you are aware that the companies that were used were agencies to worked a wide scale that ended up doing promotional work and other work in other to change the mind of voters during the referendum which eventually worked..... Keep in mind the federal government had to act very swift because they were blind sided with the results that were coming in on how many quebecers supported the seperatist movement and needs to act QUICK. In the end however it worked.... So in all reality... people are really bitching that money is more important then the fact that our country could of had a key province that makes this country just seperate....
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Old Jan 24, 06
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looks like one, possibly two recounts, both in rdings won by the conservatives witht he liberals a close second
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Old Jan 24, 06
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ahh ok bingo so you do know that.... ok but you are aware that the companies that were used were agencies to worked a wide scale that ended up doing promotional work and other work in other to change the mind of voters during the referendum which eventually worked..... Keep in mind the federal government had to act very swift because they were blind sided with the results that were coming in on how many quebecers supported the seperatist movement and needs to act QUICK. In the end however it worked.... So in all reality... people are really bitching that money is more important then the fact that our country could of had a key province that makes this country just seperate....
i wouldn't mind if the money was just poorly spent, but kicking it back to your own riding associations is theft, not mismanagement.
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