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I tell you a joke mate, a man pushing his thirties who spent his whole life in the dim glow of a bar, in a basement, or basements like it, and in lieu of the reality that he may retire from his current posting, as director of fun, and mr dnb el automatico, and perhaps as a result of feeling his age, has decided to pull his head out of his ass, and take a long hard look at the world, and comment on it. Which initself isnt so bad, hell, i was somewhat of a late bloomer myself (in a fashion) Except the only "long and hard" that is relative to your view of the world, is the effort it takes to pry open those shit, booze, encrusted eyelids, eyelids that have seen cracktown for so long as a entertainment venue, that you forgot that its also one the poorest areas around. This seems to me as symbolic of your entire concept of whats goin on in this country and in this world. Talking war, and occupation over blowjobs and blow in the lotus bathroom doesnt make you knowledgable of the state of this nation. Spinning records, making flyers, and booking djs, doesnt even make you partially knowledgable. All it makes you, is someone, who doesnt really know what they are talking about, but as a result of getting your asskissed for a portion of your life, thinks you can talk smack to anyone who might get a little heated, or irrational but ultimately harmless, but about things that are anything about. Hows that for funny? NO? Yeah, you aint much of a comedian either - But perhaps you should stick to being an asshole in your retirement, some people get elected for that skill. 
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Jan 24, 06
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fable, I'll keep this first post relatively short. I know you are completely and utterly incapable of 'firing form the hip' so to speak, and always need to read, re-read, and then research up on every post I make for a good hour minimum, before you feel you are capable to reply. You have supplied me with so much ammunition in this thread alone, tearing into you full on would be the equivalent of bullying a mentally retarded 12 year old with four broken limbs.
First off, fable, dude, you need to realize that you in fact do NOT speak for the majority of Canadians. Your views represent what is called a fringe minority, a fringe minority, which, coincidentally, has little to no power in terms of media, or huge riches backing it. Many may sympathize with some of your views, however you need to learn that the vast majority does not agree with you. Not agreeing with a, in my own views, raving lunatic, does not automatically mean said person is ignorant, uneducated, or cold hearted. If you truly seek this equal rights free democracratic 'utopia' you blabber on about, you are acting like a complete hypocrite for denouncing others views; because that's what they are, views. Honestly from the way you have been 'debating' lately, I find it hard to believe you would be content with anything other than a dictatorship enforcing everything you believe. Also, fable, you need to really take a second glance at your views on 'self determination'. It seems you won't be happy until every ethnic or religious group is seperated into their own states, solely based on the angry rants of a few extremists amongst each group. Ideas like yours is what promotes racial tensions and hatred. We are all human beings, and the only way racism will end is if we are properly educated form a young age, and learn to live together. If this is achieved it will not matter if said person has native background, or another is middle eastern, etc etc. Each culture has it's merits, and it's flaws. Acceptance and understanding is the only way to progress, not self determination and hate mongering. remember, if one group defects, it will only anger another. Equality amongst everyone is the only solution. Complete equality. i'm going to cut this off right now, before I start rambling, which i invariably will do, sondiering it is 6:20 in the mornign and I am suffering from a slight case of insomnia. Take your time, gather your thoughts. I am a patient man.
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Jan 24, 06
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A synopsis of my rants:
1) blah blah, fuck you, you fucking fuck, fuck, fuck fuck, fuckn, bla bla. 2) what the fuck, fuck, fucking, bla bla, fuck, fucking fuck fuck. 3) Yes, there does need to be a significant level of patience, in regards to the progression of a specifc level of "public enlightenment" on a number of realities on this planet. But in saying so, there MUST also be an understanding, that even though our own backyards may clear of landmines, there is still a significant population, undergoing a significant level of oppression that we may or may not support, by supporting a system that breeds such realities. The style and nature of the way men and women govern themselves in this country, and in the west in general is determined on the capitalist model since the late 1800's. Whereas we have succeeded in a number of advancements in terms a dizzying area of technologies, the overall realities or plight of human existance has significantly gotten worse, and realistically only the manner in which we degrade, has significant evolution. 4)Our many nationons sharing flags, and national identitity comes at the price of conquerers and death and destruction. Alexander the Great, and such others as Ghenghis khan, did not succeed in unifying peoples, they only succeeded in seeing THEIR OWN WARPED VISION of unity. The idea of unity, or national identity based on specific borders, has never been a tangible true choice of humans, ever, except to choose which convoluted nation lines to live in. 5) ALthough resistance isnt nothing new, we live in a period of time, unlike any before it. Never has there been both significant moves by the rulers of this world to hold onto what power they have so despertly, and at the same time such rapid growth of resistance to these actions. In a world where we have gone to moon repeatedly, how is that there exists on this planet a general lack of all encompassing resources, explaining any number of situations across the globe? -the mainstream news is incunclusive, severely limited, and manipulatred -despite "global technologies" the disparity between reletive "classes" spiralling out of control, beyound belief -the idea of self government or the exploration, is dubbed unpatriotic, radical, and is any exploration is violently and qickly put down -we spend billions of dollars so various heads of various parties can scream at one another back and forth, just so we can choose the party that will fuck us over the least!?!?!?! 6) DOnt confuse a general lack of knowledge about significant abuses of power, and overall level of confusion in terms of the gross mismanagment of the public funds and trust, and misunderstanding of who is really looking out for our wellbeing, WITH a general consensus of people, thinking we live in times that are perfectly acceptable.
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Jan 24, 06
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I kills me that an election can be won based on "What can help me in the short term" as opposed to long term goals. Who cares about the environment just as long as I can drive my gas guzzling car whereever I want, really cheap.
This is a decent Alt Energy blog from Tyler Hamilton who writes for the Toronto Star. There are a couple tidbits about the election. http://tyler.blogware.com/
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Whats wrong with people being able to live according to their own cultural heritage? Whats wrong with a milion smaller communities vs, the idea of thse massive city states based on borders that we as a collective DO NOT decide upon? Where do think such oppression as racism comes from? What is it trully based on? If you havent figured out, that all oppression, and acts of agressive control, manipulation, exploitation and suppression in fact HAVE A MATERIAL BASE, then you havent trully been awake yet. The realities of contemporary rule, come as a result of the inherant need of the current ruling class across the globe, to hold onto their own self interest, and under a mantly of lies and illusion is a "democratic" government elected, that represent US by and large. I dont really need to debate with you, Your own threads come packed with ignorance, a deep entrenched level of fear, racism, intolerance, lazyness and a general lack of belief in people themselves. Just because you feel the desperate need to be led around on a short leash, for the sake of being able to shut off have your brain, like a half drunk, self indulgent, apathetic zombie, doesnt mean there isnt a greater population ready to embark upon years of hardship, ready to die for the opportunity to a non capitalist state. People understand more and more, the idea that we are products of an environment, that we only aid in pepretuating, through or general level of non-involvement and apathy. Any significant levels of "involvement" we have in the general running of our lives, are hollow, symbolic and shear tokenisitc.
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Under your own bullshit convaluted replies, wouldnt my "denouncing" just be me excercising my right to get involved in agressive debatitve dialogue? So then, what the fuck is you point? Mine is, the notions of democracy, that YOU think off that really only refer to the freedom to chose the methods and resources of CONSUMPTION and sytemic support of oppressive bodies on this planet. This being in exchange for the burden of self government and true freedom. Your a sheep, and an uneducated, lazy, callours, gluttunous one at that. In another time, your "uncle tom" behaviour and stance, would have seen you hung up to rot under a blazing sun, by your own peers. But then again, it was voted upon, and there was no real resistance, or any that was given the a honest attempt at being communicated, so it was essentailly a democratic choice, so really you would have been shit out of luck. I think before you even think of jumping back up on this keyboard, you need to understand that you have no really idea of what democracy means, nor do have any real idea of what significant poulations ouside your castle walls, actaully live through on a daily basis.
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Fuck bro, this is an extremely significant and truthfull statement, that can me somewhat of a summary of how members of the general populace choose to live. A large body of people in this country, can only look towards their own fucking "dinner tables" vs. having any true sence of fellowship.
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Jan 24, 06
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fable, I'll keep this first post relatively short. I know you are completely and utterly incapable of 'firing form the hip' so to speak, and always need to read,
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Read and read read? Go look at the time between your posts and my replies, and ask me, how much time, i need to voice a retort, you lying piece of shit. The fact that we are behind monitors, doest free me from repercussion for my fucking words, it frees YOU from being grabbed by the neck, bitchslapped and having YOUR entire life, being exposed as a lazy, self indulgent, wet dream. The fact that you live in a positon where you influences others, will soon be a reason, why you will be exposed, and eliminated. The need for ME to opt for the edit, doesnt stem from a lack of confidence of my own stance, rather it comes from a general in ability to have patience in the face of overwhelming ignorance, and bullshit. I fully admit, that im an angry, jaded, SOB, but agitation in this day an age is a good thing. You chose a different pill than i. And sooner or later our paths will cross. Last edited by fable; Jan 24, 06 at 10:56 AM.
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fable, hate is caused by ignorance and fear. we fear what we do not know or understand. if we had a million mini countries, there would be on going war and blood shed far outpacing the level of bloodshed we see today.
You are so contradictory it's beyond belief. You argue peace on one hand, then support self determination on the other, which ultimately would only lead to more blood shed and wars. Maybe it is you that lives in a half awake state of mind, so hell bent on following the manifestos and guidance of your extremist idols. I doubt you could hold an intelligent conversation in person, seeing as the ability to research every point, and consult with your fellow idiots would be stripped away. Oh, and about your point about my need to be 'lead around on a short leash', that made me giggle. You obviously don't know me, and to make that assumption is ridiculous. If you knew me, or any of my friends, you'd take that statement back. I do believe most need to be lead, and placed on a short leash, however I hold on to many of those leashes. I run my own life successfully, adn as a hobby run half of my friends lives as well. My superiors at work don't even attempt to give me orders or guide me, they know I am far too conceited to listen to them, and in the end will do things my way.
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fable, now you are lying. I admit to being somewhat obsessive compulisve, and have many times 'fnk stalked you' waiting for you to reply for hours straight. If you believ you have made me look like a village idiot countless times, and have bested me every debate, you my friend live in a dream world. We obviously view the world in two very different ways, and I admit many would agree with your argumeetns over mine, however you have never once 'proven' that my arguments are false, only rebutted them claiming I was heart less, not human etc etc, and going on with your own personal views. On the flip side, many people, even on this board which tends to be left leaning, agree with what I have to say.
and fable, I would gladly say anything to your face I say on these boards, and I have absolutely zero fear that you could inflict any harm on me.
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Jan 24, 06
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fable, alright I laughed a couple times again. You are such a nerd, a Matrix refference? holy christ.
first off your refference to the fact that I have absolutely no idea what the 'general population' lives like outside my 'castle walls'. First off, I've told you this before, maybe it'll ring a bell... my mother is a barely over the poverty line socialist, I grew up with her until I was 15. When I moved to vancovuer with my dad, he was dead broke, and had just started his bussiness-cash under the table, because he had filed for bankruptcy a few months earlier, having racked up tens of thousands in debt after losign his high paying job, and letting his coke addiction go out of control. That being said I worked throughout highschool, maintaining straight A's, keepign fit and setting weight lifting records, and starting on the football team. I've always had a great work ethic, and my dad turned his life around. 5 years later, I now do very well for myself, running my won bussiness, employings around a dozen students at a time. My dad's bussiness is now generating several hundred thousand a year. I did NOT have any advantages growing up fable, in fact I didn't go to university(I was accepted amny places of course) because I didn't want to take out student loans, and couldn't afford it. My belief that the vast majority of man kind are useless stems from the fact I know, despite circumstances, the cream will always rise to the top. we are not all born equal. we are not all born leaders. 95 of the population needs the other 5% to run their lives, because they simply are incapable of doing it themselves. Fable, despite you believe me to be completely selfish and greedy, I help out countless people every day. I help out those I know and care about, bend over backwards at times assisting them. A young guy that used to work for me told me once 'Alex you have helped me out and taught me more than anyone has in my life'. That kind of shit is what I'm about. I ensure everyone in my life is taken care of, and in turn, they work hard for me and ensure I am successful as well.
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fable some of the bloated,pompus,militant,IGNORANT things you have stated on this forum absloutey disgusts me....particulary that thread you made about israel....wich you ultimatley apologized for and deleted. ..ugh...i could go on but really your not worth MY time. Last edited by Revolver; Jan 24, 06 at 01:14 PM.
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Just an observation here fable... you need to practice a little bit of what you preach. You've unfairly labelled a lot of people when you hate labels being placed on yourself. Like I said, just an observation, not an attack, but you should look a little bit at yourself before you start attacking the character of myself, my friends, my family, OUR society. We all need to live together man and name calling isn't going to help that along.
That being said.... I called my riding perfectly. I knew that the chances of avoiding a Consevative win in my area were pretty much impossible. I live in an area that happens to have some wealthy inhabitants and if there's one thing I know about the rich it's that they want to get more rich. They're never going to vote for a party that serves the lower working class. At least surrounding areas managed to sway NDP. As well the NDP managed to get more seats overall as well. There's nowhere but up it seems for the party. Funny thing is this... I was watching Harper's speech last night and he said something along the lines of 'progressive politics for Canada'. How can a party claim to be progressive (ie: moving forward) if they hold on to archaic right wing ideals? Just thought that was amusing.
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Do you believe that this country was built on the genocide of millions Indegenous peoples, forced assimilation, theft of land, and treaties of which a large percentage were NEVER honoured? Is our country built on a capitalist system, that affords more tax cuts, better acess to various avenues, both health care and non health care related, including education, cultural enrichment(often never used) to those who practise selfish, 100% profit driven business? Is our nation not involved in the basless occupations of Haiti, Afghanistan, and supportive of that of Iraq? Is our country not host to the largest in size, and in number of mining companies that practice open pit mining at home and abroad including Guatemala? Is there currently a program of gentrification going in Surrey(Walley) and the downtown Eastside? Is there not a current agressive cut back of addcition and mental health community based shelters, programs, and initiatives? Did we not just outfit, and additional contingent of new police officers with firearms? Over the last summer, where 5 unions essentially crushed, including two stirkes that were deemed illegal before essentially even beginning? Is the active oppression of Indegenous peoples still being perpetrated by government as a means to have full, uncontrolled acess to the land and its resources? Is there not the existance of racist policies and concurrent enactment of such policies, in Canadian Security Certificactes, Third Party Security act, the intent to pass the Two Tier Citizenship Act, and Indian Act? Was our military budget not doubled? Is the number of Canadian troops in Afghanistan not still increasing? ISRAEL What exactly did i state that was not true? Both nations have had their share of civilian based, and initiated violence. BUT WHOS GOVERNMENT PERPETRATIONS AN APARTHEID PROGRAM???? A program that sees massive military strikes, an ignorance to various UN stipulations, consitent annexation of land that was never theres, building 30 foot walls that are so far extended by the green line (which initself was utter bullshit) that at the minimin- there was an extra 4200 sq. meteres of land stolen? WHose program of rights to land was promised by an outside state? Whos prime minister, was behind the attempted genocide of hundred of thousands of palestinian people (then a high ranking general) What state lays claim to a 5000 year old onscure section in their own "bible" no less to land that was supposed to be handed over to them by some messiah? WHO FUCK IS THIS MESSIAH?? How can you argue the subsequent answers to even a single one of my questions, without all out lying? If you want me, or others like me to get the fuck out of this countrt, prepare for a long bloody fight, that will soon be on the streets, and at your doorstep. Revolver, you have consistenly proven an inability and lack of knowledge of the state of oppression both historically and currently in this country. You do not understand the current economic situation, nor the situation of war and occupation. What is clearly active class based oppression is seen in your eyes, as a right of passage. You are nothing
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Once again, when the fuck have i ever argued for a current peace?? Maybe three decades from now, but at the moment war seems an option, only not being waged by the current rulers. I like the bit about, not being to hold a real converstation in public. I speak out in public at some point everyday. I am involved in a coordianting related task, or as a speaker, or as an mc everymonth, I write for a newspaper, a newsletter, a website, and a blog. I have made a 35 minute film/slide presentation, that has had an amazing distribution rate in only a short number of months, by only word of mouth, and some internet postings. Although these realities in no way hold be above anyone at any point, it does add an air of legitemacy doesnt it? Once again, look at the time between posts and replies. But with saying that, i do speak often to my comrades, freinds and strangers. I research a massive AMOUNT, only you would denounce this. What the fuck is wrong with research? Perhaps if you did more, you wouldnt sound like such a self involved, blithering idiot? What do you consistenly use as a promotional point, everytime you post- OH MY FRIENDS LIKE ME, THEREFORE I HAVE A LEGITIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF THE WORLD. Hahahhaahah, do understand how lame, weak and tired this sounds. Your denouncing me for essentially being supposedly well read, and a person that likes to talk to various people about their points of view. For fucks sake, im talking to you arent I?
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hey fable....you don't know SHIT about me or my life, so stop making assumptions you fuckwad. what is it that every time someone disagrees with you and has some valid points you revert to personal attacks? i'm a joke? thanks buddy, you're the one who accused me of being a violence-monger for a metaphor i used and then challenged me to a real live fight. i haven't laughed so long in ages, and it wasn't with you, i'll tell you that. hey, you ever live in a third world country? no? well i have. and not just visit, i mean actually live and work there, alongside the people. i'm educated, i read voraciously from history to philosophy to both ends of the political spectrum. who the fuck are you to keep judging me? if you read back you'll see that while i'll contest your ideas i've stayed away from judging you, other than calling you an asshole and the like for the way you're spewing profanity at me.
you think the system sucks? fine, so do i. so i'd like to see what we have now improve. i just don't see your approach as ever solving anything, because you have nothing realistic to offer as a concrete alternative to the way things work now. and i mean a real alternative that'd actually work without burning everything to the ground and starting from scratch. the simple fact is the way the world is now if we wanted to burn everything to the ground and start from scratch it'd be the cockroaches living in your utopia, and not us. i'm so fucking done with you and your arguments. keep on rockin' in the free world!
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604.719.7410 You admit you are an authoratative, conceited person, and disbeleive humans have the ability to live contently and happily wouthout the oppressive rule of a small minority of ruling elite and THEIR government, and tell me, i dont have a basis for argument?
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Personal attacks!?!?! Hey fuckstick, go back to the begining of this thread, and tell me who started dishing between you and i. Yes i admit i i joined you in the muck of bullshit remarks, but you were already dont and dirty. I could give two fucks where the fuck you have been. What relevance does that have? Did you remark on anything you actaully garnered from the people who live there? My blood heritiage is Fiji, and India, and have been involved in charity initiates, confrences, the Fiji Canada association when my parents were still part of Chair, for almost my entire life. I lent aid to two significant projects in Costa Rica, and Belize, responsible for providing a community centre and a school. What the fuck does this mean? Nothing, if i havent learned what i have from people who suffer directly and infinetly more than i do, at home and abroad. DOnt fucking think your walking out of this converstation with your hands clean, or bullshit about metaphors or any other poetic language. It got heavy, and you gave, as well as you got. When the fuck did i ever talk about burning anything down, asides from parliment? Is parliment our country? Is it the only shelter or bastion of political discource or policy making?? YOu think there would be a significant difference whether its 1 billion dollar embassy or my fucking garage? Id be more prone to belive that policies in this country would be a lot more representational of people, and less opressive if it was at my place. Why do you insist on giving me some sort of educational resume? YOu feeling the crunch of needing to have some legitimacy? Why? You havent judged me!?!?!?! Quote:
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As for offering anything, what exactly have you offered?!? Im still at the stage of trying to organize and create a justifiable and sustainable activist community, all the while, researching, researching, researching. This of course in amongst my volunteer work, graphic design for npo's and trying to stay clean and sober, and not shoot myself in the head. You havent asked my once, about what i actaully think we need to do in the long term, and i havent spoken much on anything past the current realities, and ideologies that come in tow. Ive set out facts, realities and my opinions of events and situations in this country and abroad, in between shouting obsentaties at you, and making shallow judgments. Wheres as you have joined me with glee, in the shit slinging fest, but without saying anything asides from who pissed in my conrflakes, the quebec majority actaully wants their rights to self determination eliminated, and some sort of humanitarian resume that im still wondering the relevancy about? You have no argument, because your knowledge of the oppressive acts in this world is limited to your inflated sense of being informed. I do believe spending so much time next to them bass bins, had blown out any recolection of what the fuck is going on in this planet right out the other ear, either that, or its been shat out with all the rest of the verbal diaherea. We BOTH got low in this thread jay, dont think your walking away any less dirties than i. I too, am finshed.
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reason enough to vote for anything other than the conservatives: few days before the election american newspapers were reporting that george bush may have a new friend in canada, harper
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