Doc. on the Fed Reserve and the history of the banking scam. this affects YOU!

[Revolver]

oh and as far as the money/religion thing gose....esoteric said it best.

*and i havent evan seen this DOC yet....looks very interesting,good find!*

[Phat Conductor]

i am glad you guys appreciate the post. please try not to fight though. i know this topic stirs up a lot of emotion.

sean: you are right about my non-familiarity with economics. my majors were design, psychology, philosophy, and art. i think that this is different than you harrassing me at a gig though as you are not at work, nor are you engaged in anything but internet debate. this is a recreational forum. i just thought that this documentary, and the quotations i posted were interesting enough to warrant further discussion. i hope that you will give this film a chance and contribute a highly valuable alternative counterpoint to this thread.

respect all around.

[fable]

yeah its a 'conspiracy' to make money, not take over the world.

This is extra naive even for you! Making hella dollars, following a doctorine that is at times cuthroat, exploitative and technically dishonest, does not correlate with an innocent drive and subsequent expenditure of money.

and it often has disasterious long term effects, latin america especially argentina (and probably venseuzala sometime in the future)

Disasterous effects on whom?

im not syaing that are eocnomic system isnt corrupt im just syaing you have no idea what your talking about

(fill in the blank) Some of the major examples of inherant corrupt sytems or structure could be described as____________________________________?

thats great but it dosnt address or have any revelance to what i just wrote. its just irrational reactionary bullshit from a bunch of people who have no formal understanding of monetary economics, finance or the role of central banks and financial institutions in our economy.

How do the quoted statements stall or inhibit prgress? Do you think there is a popular push for massive reform? What are some of the major proposed needs for change?

this is conspiracy theory, this is what happens when paranoid people who dont know what their talking about try to explain and simplify complex ideas and phenomena.

Come on, sean! this is a definitave example of Reactionary!

You know my take on things already, so ill spare you, but one thing i wanted to bring up, in the context of political interference in central banks, or reserves, is how does Paul "MORE WAR!!" Wolfowitz get to head up the world bank!?!?!

[fable]

Originally Posted by Phat Conductor

i am glad you guys appreciate the post. please try not to fight though. i know this topic stirs up a lot of emotion.
respect all around.

hahaha, bro, you should of stepped in months ago!! Youve missed some seriously volotile clashes in the last little while! I do appreciate your attempts, and keeping things civil, though, and it seems to be working!

bigitup! :)

[esoter1c]

how does Paul "MORE WAR!!" Wolfowitz get to head up the world bank!?!?!

You typed the answer.

"MORE WAR!!" :329:

[SEAN!]

all the ills you speak about are simply a part of the human condition, money, religion all that shit is just an excuse. if all we had were sticks, stones, and leaves for huts we'd still be killing each other.


as for the gold standard, its completely unnecessary, money dosnt need any intrinsict value to exist its simply a symbol, gold standard or not.


i swear half of you suffer from prosecution complex or paranoid personality disorder.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

Usury was what Jesus threw the money lenders of the temple steps for.

It's a scummy backstabbing @%$ way of lending money.

It was banned for centuries until like I said good ol' Benjamin Disraeli (Guess what he is) weasled his way into power in England, thats when the Bank of England was created and usury was made legal.

You know what Interest is and how it works so there isn't much more to know than it sucks and is the root of national debt.

Without usury everyone would be rich not just Int'l Bankers.

But what do I know I'm not in University learning what the system wants me to know.....how to become a blind cog in the machine.:prince:

without money lending or usury no one would be rich, we would all be stuck in the stone age. why dont you read some real history, instead of the bullshit you beleive in because it makes you be able to blame someone else for the reasons why you are a loser.

capitalism and all the things you decry have existed in different forms since the the dawn of civilization

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by revolver

bwaahha blake i think you were just called a troll....thats fuckig funny.

federal reserve notes are worth NOTHING.

gold and land is what is measuerd as 'true' wealth and the majority of it is owned by the blue bloods. reserve notes are a farce. the reserve system is a farce. you think its real? then walk down to the reserve with a $20 draft and demand that drafts vaule in gold.

it wont happen.

in the US their hasent been a proper bank 'note' since the green backs of lincons time. when a note was actually worth its value in gold or silver as backed up by the 'reserve'

now thanks to this sickening,dispicable practice of high interest rates(usury),inflation and other banking 'scams' worthless 'bank notes' are printed to back up non-existant wealth.

usary has systematically degraded human civillization.

it has created a fales idea and representation of what wealth really is.

if you think it sounds crazy just wait untill the system implodes on itself or a major natural disaster occurrs.....'money' as we know it to be will be worthless.

your absolutly,without question, 100% RIGHT when you say the gold standard is a good idea

so asshole, you say that money isnt real wealth but say land and gold is..well what is it about gold and land that make it wealth? gold is essentially useless yet you ascribe so much value to it, dont you see all of what you and i attach value to are simply just symbols. the system is the same wether its gold, land, rice or fiat money that we ascribe value too, its the fact that we ascribe value to it that makes it important.

shit 200 years from now if we dont have any trees around belly button lint could be used as cash and dumbasses like you would still be saying that they should go back to using gold as if it makes any difference.

[fable]

Oh, and Revolver/Fable: Do you really think money and branding are more powerful than religion for controlling people? I'm not disagreeing, but I'm skeptical. Obviously it's not a testable question, but from past experience and from watching religious people, I tend to think that religious faith is a stronger control mechanism than money.
Certainly money effects your quality of life, but religion effects your philosophy/morals/actions in almost all aspects of life.

I think religeon in the sense of "extremism/orthodox/fundementalism" is a product or reaction to imperialism, political and social stability, and fragmentation of any sense of order. I think the move to extremism by the mainstream in such nations in Iraq and Afghanistan come as recognition that these extremist bodies, are the only tanginble resistance to imperialist expansion. This of course sets up an environment that is volatile, somewhat reactive, and unstable. The only real glue for this kind of movment is a hope that imperialist expansion can be staved off, and then said nation can turn inward to its own internal problems. Until this resolution there is the common acts of violence and righteousness that come with fundementalism or religeous zealotism. But if one side isnt playing by any sense of rules wether moral, or as stipulated by the international community, what is a legitimate response, other than a unification with the strongest body of direct resistance?

So i deviated from the original question, but to try to bring it back on track - if we believe that such religeon, is a product of specific environments, as humans are themselves, the could we say that the level of control such dogma can have is a result of the said environment, or does it perpetuate it? Yeah i know, i just answered a question with a question, but i think its important to research and understand.

Esoteric spoke on dogma a while ago, and i garnered from his words that specifc dogmas have been around for an eternity, so perhaps it is religeous doctorine that fuels capitalist doctorine? Are they dependent on eachother?

I come from a firm entrenched belief that, all rigorous control wether through religieon, historic cultural ritual and most frequently all out oppression comes from a material base. In that oppression like racism and sexism comes from a material base. If the material base, is the predominant and underlying factor, then would it be safe to say, that the ultimate goal also dictates the environment in which people attempt to reach said goal. aka capitalism? What is its relationship with dogma?

Perhaps estoric, you can answer this for me - does contemporary capitalism count as a dogma? If so, cannot it be said that it has existed congruently with religeon?

My moderate knowledge(Sean! likes to try to put my perceived "marxist" ass in place everyonce in awhile) is that at the core of capitalism is profit, and the core of profit is competiition, at the core of competition is a dissension in philosphy of what is paramount for happyness in civilization, in that not all people agree with "competition" in the context of how we exist in a monetary fashion.

In religeon i see a train of idealogy that is similiar (well atleast mine is) That being, that religeon is a doctorine, whereas man/women becomes ultimately connected to their god. This is measured popularely by sacrifice, and rigorous action. Action that can be compared to the structure of capitalism. Endevour to gain a perch in specifc realm, to get closer to an ultimate goal. In these actions, competition can arise in the guise of righteousness, or morality. Profit, can be measured in "holyness" or ones level of "respect" in said community.

Capitalism must expand, to exist, so does religeon must too, to keep up legitimacey, control and influence. Capitalism is thought to have no discrimination. But it does, it discriminates against those who do not seek to competete, like mentioned before. As in religeon, if one is satisfied with a strong spirtuality, and an individiual relationship with their higher power, then one is cast out, in some ways from a religeous community.

So really i think religeon and money excert the same control, becuase its my beleif they come from the same root. One where, a man or women, is dictated by an outside source, that only with time, becomes personal, and can be owned. Personally i think branding, is the same as heralding, ones status, or ones place, to attract other like minded people. This could be the "cross" the "swastika" the "star of david" etc etc.

control = religeon(doctorine+righteousness) or capitalism(profit+expansion) X branding(heralding)(positioning)

this is just a preliminary self examination, so i urge anyone to tear into it at will, but leave out the personal attacks.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by fable

This is extra naive even for you! Making hella dollars, following a doctorine that is at times cuthroat, exploitative and technically dishonest, does not correlate with an innocent drive and subsequent expenditure of money.



Disasterous effects on whom?



(fill in the blank) Some of the major examples of inherant corrupt sytems or structure could be described as____________________________________?



How do the quoted statements stall or inhibit prgress? Do you think there is a popular push for massive reform? What are some of the major proposed needs for change?



Come on, sean! this is a definitave example of Reactionary!

You know my take on things already, so ill spare you, but one thing i wanted to bring up, in the context of political interference in central banks, or reserves, is how does Paul "MORE WAR!!" Wolfowitz get to head up the world bank!?!?!

1. As you have admitted yourself according to your logic nearly every human action is exploitive and corrupt if its done in one's self interest regardless of how it effects someone else. in your world view all actions are done in a zero sum game. if someone gains then someone else loses. I have a different philosphy the world is not on a pareto efficient frontier people can gian with out negatively affecting someone else. in fact there is such a thing as a win win scenario.

2. the answer is disasterious affects on everyone, rich or poor.

3. see answer number one, according to your world view all systems are corrupt and exploative

4. reactionary? no my man, everyhting you post is reactionary. however it seems you operate on a different dictionary then me and most others so i dont have a clue about what your trying to say.

4. because in customary and unwritten rule the US gets to pick who runs the world bank and the europeans decide who runs the WTO. thatll change as the developing world regains their dominance. you need to look at history and see how fluid power is, the west may be dominante powers now but they werent 400 years ago and they probably wont be 50 years form now. the third world countries you claim as victums will emerge as dominante powers and do the same to the west. All the horrible traits you ascribe to the 'west' capitalism, men, and white people are universal and immutable theres no point in having sucha broad definition of oppression corruption or whatever the flavour of the week topic you are protesting against because its impossible to get rid of it, the best we can hope for is a a mildly better situation then what we have now. there is no such thing as a perfect system, as systems are created by humans and we are by are nature imperfect. there is nothing you can do about it and there is no viable alternative to a market based system and there likely never will be within our life time or that of our great great grand children.

in reply to your latest post, i take a post modernist approach to everyything in life. i dont believe there is a material core to anyhting. humans by their nature create labels, or systmes like religion, whatever to help explain the world and live within it, nothing has an intrinsict meaning to it, there are only the meanings that we ascribe to it. capitalism isnt a dogma, in a way it is the very essence of the way people interact with each other. the study of economics is the study of how people respond to incentives, capitalism at its basic root is a system of incentives, and at that root, it will alwasy exist. in relation to this thread, usuary exists because im not going to lend you anything unless i get somehting in return. Before money if a farmer gave his crops to his feudal lord or whatever he'd get protection in return. if the feudal lord lent his crops to another lord he'd expect the same plus a little more then next year in return because he gave up consumption for this year. in that sense capitalism usary all the shit you guys are complaining about, the only difference is the world has become so much more complex, yet we still have fools yelling conspiracy at anyhting they dont understand.

socialism and communism failed because production is too complex to centrally control and people will not respond unless their is an incentive to respond. once we stopped being hunter gathers and started creating more food then what we needed to exist capitalism in its root evolved. if you wanan destroy the system than thats what you have to be forced to accept

p.s im not tryting to be offensive so please dont take any, and that applies to the people i called assholes and idiots too, so sorry

[fable]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

without money lending or usury no one would be rich, we would all be stuck in the stone age. why dont you read some real history, instead of the bullshit you beleive in because it makes you be able to blame someone else for the reasons why you are a loser.

capitalism and all the things you decry have existed in different forms since the the dawn of civilization

Sean! If you are going to defend capitalism in the face of an alternative, then you have to find a common denominator. "Being rich" in the the sense that i think you are talking about, only hold relevancy in light of capitalism and capitalism only.

why dont you read some real history, instead of the bullshit you beleive in because it makes you be able to blame someone else for the reasons why you are a loser.

So your saying that not believing in capitalism, or not agreeing with the entire system of profit and competion = happyness, and status, are losers? What kind of statement or argument is that?

The idea that one only needs to work hard enough to attain happyness is ignorant to the millions of factors involved in ones life. The fact that there are lazy people who are poor and miserable is countered by rich lazy people who are happy, and poor hardworking people who are happy too!

The pursuit for profit, has the ability to not suppress, oppress or exploiit a person, but the entire structure does, and because of this reality, those who support such a structure, wether they are, or not, support the active oppression of others.

It has nothing to do with being a loser or not. It has to do with the inherant psychology of capitalism being about competition, and competition doesnt neccessearly create benefit, or advancement. Advancement creates advancement. Why do we need to compete? Why do we dictate our own lives only in the realm of comparing it to others (if you say this is untrue, i call bullshit!)

I dont think you really beleive the contrary to your beliefs, because of you trully do not know anything ABOUT said contrary reality. Im starting to wonder if you think people are just outright lying, when they talk about the levels of oppression and poverty and the expence of international capitalism, neo-liberalism, global economics, bla bla and its effects on said people.

You know, i think my arguments would be quited, if someone who was able to speak for the masses, just stood up and said, "nothing has changed, since the early days, the strong will survive, everything else is irrelevent" tell me that democracy is the farce i know it to be, tell me that might is right, and that everyone needs to get theirs, before someone else does. If you tell me this, if you can prove to me, that this is the popular opinion, then i will never debate with you again on said subject.

That being becuase it will no longer be neccessary to prove you wrong, because then ill be joining in the fight to flat out destroy such structures and the people who perpetuate it.

[fable]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

1. As you have admitted yourself according to your logic nearly every human action is exploitive and corrupt if its done in one's self interest regardless of how it effects someone else. in your world view all actions are done in a zero sum game. if someone gains then someone else loses. I have a different philosphy the world is not on a pareto efficient frontier people can gian with out negatively affecting someone else. in fact there is such a thing as a win win scenario.

2. the answer is disasterious affects on everyone, rich or poor.

3. see answer number one, according to your world view all systems are corrupt and exploative

4. reactionary? no my man, everyhting you post is reactionary. however it seems you operate on a different dictionary then me and most others so i dont have a clue about what your trying to say.

4. because in customary and unwritten rule the US gets to pick who runs the world bank and the europeans decide who runs the WTO. thatll change as the developing world regains their dominance. you need to look at history and see how fluid power is, the west may be dominante powers now but they werent 400 years ago and they probably wont be 50 years form now. the third world countries you claim as victums will emerge as dominante powers and do the same to the west. All the horrible traits you ascribe to the 'west' capitalism, men, and white people are universal and immutable theres no point in having sucha broad definition of oppression corruption or whatever the flavour of the week topic you are protesting against because its impossible to get rid of it, the best we can hope for is a a mildly better situation then what we have now. there is no such thing as a perfect system, as systems are created by humans and we are by are nature imperfect. there is nothing you can do about it and there is no viable alternative to a market based system and there likely never will be within our life time or that of our great great grand children.

p.s im not tryting to be offensive so please dont take any, and that applies to the people i called assholes and idiots too, so sorry

1) Im not sure how you got to your first conclusion, but it is relevent ONLY if someone gains in a system, that oppresses someone else. It is possible to make gains in a capitalist system, and not directly oppress someone else, but its in a context that was CREATED for such an act.

2) Any current system, that originates from government in capitalist society, and the ruling elite they represent is so.

3) reactionary refers to one opposing, or inhibiting complete, and revolutionary political reform.

4)

because in customary and unwritten rule

WHAT THE FUCK! because its custom!?!?! When did custom, hold any sway for anyone else on this planet?

p.s im not tryting to be offensive so please dont take any, and that applies to the people i called assholes and idiots too, so sorry

HAHAHAHA, i appreciate the lies, bro!

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by fable

4) WHAT THE FUCK! because its custom!?!?! When did custom, hold any sway for anyone else on this planet?

do you say hi or shake hands with people when you meet them?

p.s you're putting words in my mouth, i said nothing about capitalism as being the root to happyness, but that is just one of many claims you have made. im simply a pragmatist and i dont worry about things i cant control, it tends to make me depressed.

also you tlak about the need to competition, once again i go to the argument that competition is inevitable and unavoidable. do you beleive in creationism? have you not noticed how animals compete for mates, food etc? it dosnt matter what system previals, or wwether the competition is over money, food whatever, competition, oppersion, corruption, inequality is unavoidable. do you know what the food chain is or have you ever heard of the saying 'the lion is the king of the jungle' shit man get it through your head heirarchies are unavoidable. we cant do anyhting about it, all we can do is try and minimize the negative.

i do agree with you, but your views are impratical and extreme

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

without money lending or usury no one would be rich, we would all be stuck in the stone age. why dont you read some real history, instead of the bullshit you beleive in because it makes you be able to blame someone else for the reasons why you are a loser.

capitalism and all the things you decry have existed in different forms since the the dawn of civilization

1)No one would be rich, exactly. Everyone would be equal.

2)Capitalism isn't equal opportunity as you like to believe.

3)If I'm a loser because I can understand that the system doesn't work equally for everyone, not just those with the Blood, then I am a loser and you're hiding from reality because it makes you depressed.:285:

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by 3507321C

1)No one would be rich, exactly. Everyone would be equal.

2)Capitalism isn't equal opportunity as you like to believe.

3)If I'm a loser because I can understand that the system doesn't work equally for everyone, not just those with the Blood, then I am a loser and you're hiding from reality because it makes you depressed.:285:

1 not really, people are born unequal in appearance, intelligence, strength and health, but hell yeah we would be economically the same except for the village elders, who would still control the rest of the population. we'd also all be dead before thirty sounds like a great alternative.

2 no shit, did i ever say that?

3 im not hiding form reality, but thinkin about shit i cant do anyhting about does make me depressed.

[FlorpIncarnate]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

so asshole, you say that money isnt real wealth but say land and gold is..well what is it about gold and land that make it wealth? gold is essentially useless yet you ascribe so much value to it, dont you see all of what you and i attach value to are simply just symbols. the system is the same wether its gold, land, rice or fiat money that we ascribe value too, its the fact that we ascribe value to it that makes it important.

shit 200 years from now if we dont have any trees around belly button lint could be used as cash and dumbasses like you would still be saying that they should go back to using gold as if it makes any difference.

Gold and Economic Freedom by Alan Greenspan, 1967

This explains the position rather nicely.

The summary of it is that money isn't just a symbol... it is supposed to represent a tangible value. In the current system money does not represent a tangible value, as it can be 'created' at will... hence problems.

It doesn't have to be GOLD... but it has to be something tangible and valuable.

I hereby suggest switching the Canadian economy to a pie standard. :236:

[esoter1c]

Whatever our beliefs.

We're gettin' the "AMERODOLLAR" so we're all fucked.:211:

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

as for the gold standard, its completely unnecessary, money dosnt need any intrinsict value to exist its simply a symbol, gold standard or not.

money dosent need any intrinsict value?. wow! and how much did you pay for your community college ecomnoics class?

Thats the most dumbass thing i have read on fnk in the last couple weeks.

Im shocked....let me explain it to you like a child.

NO intrinsict value to money = the ability to MANIPULATE and falsely fluctiuate interest rates and inflation.

the gold standard is what your precious so called 'reserve' system is based upon.....that a banknote represents its value in gold.

but you do still believe in the federal reserve system and everything that your UNI/STOOLIE proffs instructed you to think right?...right?

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

so asshole, you say that money isnt real wealth but say land and gold is..well what is it about gold and land that make it wealth? gold is essentially useless yet you ascribe so much value to it, dont you see all of what you and i attach value to are simply just symbols. the system is the same wether its gold, land, rice or fiat money that we ascribe value too, its the fact that we ascribe value to it that makes it important.

shit 200 years from now if we dont have any trees around belly button lint could be used as cash and dumbasses like you would still be saying that they should go back to using gold as if it makes any difference.

now sean why did you have to go and do that? why did you have to go and call me an asshole?....read back, did i call you a asshole? did i call you any nasty names?.....

now before i go on, remember your thread you made about the joy of wearing suits?...well buddy i wear a suit everyday,i work with personal finace and sales,i work deep in the system. im not a nut or a conspiarcy loon but im aware of the 'system' and work within it to acheive my own goals,NEVER allowing it to control me. you need to here some things

this system is wrong, this system is fraudulant, this system in wich we live has very deep, very dark occult roots all for the method of CONTROL and regulation. it runs so deep that it affects you right since birth as soon as your subjected to any form of media/thought control.


you 'seem' so hopelessy addicted to your institutionalized life.you people are all the same, you go and hear shit rehtoric from your stoolie proffesors and regurgitate it back as gospel.

not negateing the value of post sec. at all. I went. I loved it. but its a breeding ground for psuedo-intellects who are addicted to regulatory,structured learning and think they know everything cause they read a couple fucking Gnome Chumpsky books!...eeeeesh.

unplug and travel a littel....the biggest shock and realization i always have when i return to the 'west' is how blanketed the eyes of our population are with fear and dollar signs.

fear and dollar signs pal.

I could go on but from what ive read of you in this thread its a waste of my valuable time....

[Phat Conductor]

is anyone willing to address the criticisms of the gold standard in the film yet?

they say that the gold standard will actually put power back into the hands of the money changers as they now control the gold. reagan's gold inquiry found the US has NO GOLD RESERVES in fort knox. it has been sold to private interests long ago...

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by Phat Conductor

is anyone willing to address the criticisms of the gold standard in the film yet?

they say that the gold standard will actually put power back into the hands of the money changers as they now control the gold. reagan's gold inquiry found the US has NO GOLD RESERVES in fort knox. it has been sold to private interests long ago...

I'm sure you know the same Bloodlines have ruled the planet/masses for centuries.

All presidents are related.

All presidential elections have been won by the candidate with more blue blood.

Clinton had the most blue blood ties out of all the presidents.

From the King/Queen down the Blood rules.

It's called Freemasonry.

They don't need no gold.

They got Jesus blood.:moon:

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by revolver

you 'seem' so hopelessy addicted to your institutionalized life.you people are all the same, you go and hear shit rehtoric from your stoolie proffesors and regurgitate it back as gospel.

not really, the number one thing you are taught in university is to think critically.


besides arent you just spouting somehting you read in a book about the illuminati? how is what you are doing any different form what you claim i am doing.


p.s now most economists beleive that gold standard or not it makes no difference for the function of the monetary system. Its pretty clear that you dont really know much about how it works or what it is asides what you have read in some conspiracy theory.

p.p.s you do realize that even if there was a gold standard to money the price of the underlying asset can be manipulated, instead of the value of money being determined by the credit worthiness of the issuing government it will be determined by the spot price of gold in the commodity market. shit man you can control the value of gold by buying up major gold producers and thne shutting em down or increasing their production. gold standard or not if there really is a conspiracy by some unseen but omnipresent cabal of individuals to fuck us all over they can do it no matter what system exists.

[fable]

swear half of you suffer from prosecution complex or paranoid personality disorder.

What do you think of this:

"citizens are a product of their environment, and environment that they have an extremely small part in creating, or perpetuating."

capitalism and all the things you decry have existed in different forms since the the dawn of civilization

But in early civilization, the bartering system was just as, if not more, predominant.

im not hiding form reality, but thinkin about shit i cant do anyhting about does make me depressed.

Man! this is a pretty big thing to admit, especially considering your beliefs.

not really, the number one thing you are taught in university is to think critically.

What do you think of this:

"Conventional and current post secondary education institutions exist to transform students into experts in their respective fields to contribute to the production, and expansion of technologies related to production, for the sole purpose of sale."

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

besides arent you just spouting somehting you read in a book about the illuminati? how is what you are doing any different form what you claim i am doing.
.

lol...no i havent read any books on the illuminati...please get off of that rebutle to my posts. im NOT a conspiracy theorist. i am a voracious reader and analyzer of inoformation and data..nothing more. i draw my OWN conclusions from whatever information i come across.

you metniond that money is just a 'symbol' with no intrinsict value...and that usary is the best way to generate wealth....right?

so it seems, based on the info that you provided, that your job working in the financial world is based merely on symbols and falesly generated wealth! are you telling me that you base your life around a symbol. and worse, a symbol wich we are instructed to give value to when it dosent hold any REAL value whatsoever.

what if the value of that symbol you beleive in is suddenly taken away?

then how much of what you know is worth anything?.....

NOTHING.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by fable

What do you think of this:

"Conventional and current post secondary education institutions exist to transform students into experts in their respective fields to contribute to the production, and expansion of technologies related to production, for the sole purpose of sale."

...wonderful quote! where is it from and who said it?