Doc. on the Fed Reserve and the history of the banking scam. this affects YOU!

[Phat Conductor]

yo sean, nice criticism of the gold standard. props!

[fable]

Originally Posted by revolver

...wonderful quote! where is it from and who said it?

me.

my tentative conclusion of a discussion that took place during a mawo workshop revolving around student initiated and perpetuated action and involvement in social and political activism. It origniated from one of the cofounders of youth 3rd world alliance -whos one seriouslly smart cookie, although a tad tempermental!

I have to admit that currently, this sort of statement would cause more reactive anger, than understanding. Any suggestions on how to reapproach a more feasable delivery? Ive gotten more anger, then a willingness to get into dialogue, but it aint an easy thing to swallow!

[FlorpIncarnate]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

Capitalism and all the things you decry have existed in different forms since the the dawn of civilization

Capitalism as an ideology requires institutionalized individual rights (specifically 'negative' liberty), so no, it hasn't been around since the dawn of civilization. It's just been around in a half-assed form since European Liberalism started to catch on.

I think you're talking about the barter system and mercantilism.

Oh, and Phat Conductor: good attitude man. You should start more threads.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by FlorpIncarnate

Capitalism as an ideology requires institutionalized individual rights (specifically 'negative' liberty), so no, it hasn't been around since the dawn of civilization. It's just been around in a half-assed form since European Liberalism started to catch on.

I think you're talking about the barter system and mercantilism.

Oh, and Phat Conductor: good attitude man. You should start more threads.

you must be a political science student.

those are still forms of proto-capitalism

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by fable

"Conventional and current post secondary education institutions exist to transform students into experts in their respective fields to contribute to the production, and expansion of technologies related to production, for the sole purpose of sale."

sounds like a term paper i wrote for sociology once before, an exact paraphrase of the works of louis althussar and antonio gramsci

[fable]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

sounds like a term paper i wrote for sociology once before, an exact paraphrase of the works of louis althussar and antonio gramsci

Hmmm, wouldnt this mean that at a particular time, on a particular date, you and i both distilled the words of a lowly italian theorist, and a french marxist into the same thing???

Thats some scary shit!

"According to Marx and Engels, {"Ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships, the dominant material relationships grasped as ideas."}"

"According to Althusser, Individuals are constituted as social identities by and in ideology."

The Italian theorist Antonio Gramsci (1891-1937) argued that the economic and political ascendancy of a given class is organically connected with an achievement of cultural and intellectual hegemony or dominance. Hegemony structures social institutions in accordance with the aims and values of the dominating class and fosters an environment of consent to the ideas of that class. In other words through political, educational and consumer structures specific values are upheld and seldom challenged.

I was first introduced to the writings of Gramsci and althusser through those of marx+engels. re: the definition of ideaology and such.

But, what once again WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS?

ps: paraphrasing would involve staying true to the original message. I think because of the recent exponential growth in dominance of the current capitalist system, there has to be a reavaluation, or atleast, an updated version of this age old theory. What that will look like, will most definetly be left to someone who has far more intellectual capability, and experience in such realms then me. Perhaps in a few years?

[fable]

Oh, and Phat Conductor: good attitude man. You should start more threads.

TWO THUMBS UP!

[djmarkpaul]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

all the ills you speak about are simply a part of the human condition, money, religion all that shit is just an excuse. if all we had were sticks, stones, and leaves for huts we'd still be killing each other.


as for the gold standard, its completely unnecessary, money dosnt need any intrinsict value to exist its simply a symbol, gold standard or not.


i swear half of you suffer from prosecution complex or paranoid personality disorder.

I really am at a loss for words here. You've paid how much for these courses and you don't even know the basis of a stabalized economy. Yeah there is no need for intrinsict value for money, when you can create it out of thin air. You've been programmed to believe in a debt based economy is stabalized, but then you have to ask, why all the continued social welfare cuts, and why all the privitization?

Do you really think globalism is a good thing?

There is one book you really outta read, and if you are still rambling on like you've been all through out this thread, you really have no hope IMO. I think as far as your ability to memorize data, you are a pretty smart guy. But you really should try being more objective. Read into this a bit more suspending your disbelief and commit maybe the same amout of time you would for a midterm. Seriously...it may just change the way you look at the world in a fundemental way. Bottom line, is the quotes earlier in this thread and the following book I'll link you to have far more credencials than any of your theoretical book smarts, because good sir here we are dealing with life experiences...many of those lost their lives to expose this sort of information, do not shame that martyrdom for your materialistic grandeur of the consuming smiling depressive.

Please if you attempt a rebutal, save any lude remarks and cusses, I want to stay particular on the subject matter.

EVERYONE HERE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT THIS BOOK

Originally Posted by revolver

lol...no i havent read any books on the illuminati...please get off of that rebutle to my posts. im NOT a conspiracy theorist. i am a voracious reader and analyzer of inoformation and data..nothing more. i draw my OWN conclusions from whatever information i come across.

you metniond that money is just a 'symbol' with no intrinsict value...and that usary is the best way to generate wealth....right?

so it seems, based on the info that you provided, that your job working in the financial world is based merely on symbols and falesly generated wealth! are you telling me that you base your life around a symbol. and worse, a symbol wich we are instructed to give value to when it dosent hold any REAL value whatsoever.

what if the value of that symbol you beleive in is suddenly taken away?

then how much of what you know is worth anything?.....

NOTHING.

OWNED!

[Phat Conductor]

how about this:

"the primary purpose of our educational system is to manufacture a predictable, compliant, and efficient workforce. it does this by externalizing our motivation, teaching us that thought itself is a labor, and that all truly important matters are best left up to the appointed figures of authority".

-me

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by fable

me.

!

huh...no kidding.

[Revolver]

Originally Posted by djmarkpaul

OWNED!

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Loawalllzzs......more like pwned!!!11