Thoughts on how Meth is evil

[Goat]

Originally posted by wigglesworth
Jibs not evil. If you're not smart enough at the time, to look around you and see how fucked up others are from it....and then never touch it with a ten foot poll....then you probably need to get hooked to smarten up.
dont blame things for your own problems...

yes, it's the abuse of the drug that creates the problem, not the drug. however, imo jib is the easiest quickest way to fuck yourself up, the easiest to fall into the deep end.

But after a certain point, that 18+ hours of happiness is nothing compared to the week of depression that ensues afterwards.

i wouldn't compare jib to a mdma high at all. euphoric yes, plurry no. 18 hours? how about a week up straight?



actually, after doing so much e, jib, k and other shit, smoking is still the hardest one to kick. 1 cigerette in 8 days makes max *mutter mutter mutter*
:smoke1: :soak:

[Rytalin]

BZZZZZZZZZZT

[QuanNeur]

Originally posted by Rytalin
its evil.
...
when you melt wax and drop it onto a piece of fabric, its pretty hard to get out, right?
.....

interesting theory, rytalin, but while the principles and end results you describe are not inaccurate the way you say these things happen physiologically is pretty off.

smoking meth does not actually "cut up" your lungs and the stuff does not recrystalize in your body. these are just euphemisms used by meth users to describe the damage.. a bit of the stuff of urban myths. what meth does to your lungs is more like a burning. ammonia is used to make meth and when you smoke it, the stuff literally sears your lungs creating those uncomfortable "cutting up" feelings. it basically causes a chemical burn on the most sensitive tissue of your body.

little meth crystals can't travel through your body and then lodge themselves in your neurotransmitters. they don't "coat" them either and the meth doesn't stay in your system for years causing havoc like you imply. meth simply causes severe damage to your dopamine system and restricts blood flow to your brain. basically long term users of any amphetamines will begin to exhibit the signs of having had a stroke- they become stupid and slow. a friend of mine even actually had a stroke from nothing but a daily high-dose regimine of dexderine. sad.

meth addiction is a weird one. the way i see it the damage caused by it is waaaaaay out of proportion to the "joy" it brings. personally i would much rather be a heroin, crack or cocaine addict.




btw. a good way to get wax off of clothing is to take a piece of thickish, lunch bag style brown paper, place it over the wax and then iron it for a minute or two.. the wax will come out of the clothing when you peel off the paper. ;)

[Leviathan]

^brilliant!
the whole cooling it with ice thing never worked for me all that well.

[Rytalin]

Originally posted by QuanNeur


interesting theory, rytalin, but while the principles and end results you describe are not inaccurate the way you say these things happen physiologically is pretty off.

smoking meth does not actually "cut up" your lungs and the stuff does not recrystalize in your body. these are just euphemisms used by meth users to describe the damage.. a bit of the stuff of urban myths. what meth does to your lungs is more like a burning. ammonia is used to make meth and when you smoke it, the stuff literally sears your lungs creating those uncomfortable "cutting up" feelings. it basically causes a chemical burn on the most sensitive tissue of your body.

do you have any links to studies on this?
I'm looking right now and can't seem to find anything.


I don't think I've read anything saying that smoking meth will make it recrystalize inside you, but seen people get wierd deposits of it come thru their skin and such, which suggests to me that it does somehow recrystalize inside you.

[strawberr_E]

here's some things meth has left me with

- involuntary shaking while trying to use fine motor skills (such as tying my shoes or sewing.)

- horrible short and long term memory

- inablility to concentrate for longer than 20-30 mins


P.S. I've been clean for a year and a half. I still don't trust myself to refuse meth if it was offered.

[dillinja_ho]

http://www.valleymeth.com/graphics/user.html

this website is about the meth epidemic in califournia....
since we're on the subject, i am doing a research project on meth-users (past and present) for a sociology methology course at UBC
if anyone is interested in helping me out by sharing some of their experiences i would be much obliged...

I am trying to deconstruct the rhetoric of "substance-abuser" ...
pm me if u are interested...
thanks
Lisa B.
AkA Jungle Princess

[wizzle]

damn Rytalin, i didn't think anyone else on this board besides me knew (or just believed) about chakra's and shit. and you also like shpongle ;D

c0o0o0ooL

[wizzle]

i didn't completely read every post on this thread, so someone might of already pointed this out. on some research i did, it showed that method creates a psychoasis simular to schizophrenia, anyways. does anyone know if meth still creates dependancies when insufflated?

[Rytalin]

^yep

not as bad/disturbing as when its smoked, but taking it pretty much any way will get a habit going.

There seems to be something very habit forming about putting stuff up your nose.

maybe it's tied into how kids love picking their noses so much... heh

[Goat]

just wanted to throw in a couple more side-affects experienced from jib


pre-mature greying (it's hareditary in my family, but still happens )
pre-mautre balding

also, gut rot - royally fucks up the amino acids in your digestinal tract. result , your body can't digest food,more specifically meat. used to be a carnivore, now a vegevore.
it's from not eating for 12, 13, 14, 15 days...hence, ya don't poop...and gut rot...

yay.

[Canar]

The problems seem to be mainly linked to addiction. I suppose more of the problems come from the fact that taking more meth will keep you going than the fact that it gets you high. In comparison, MDMA won't get you higher after the experience if you drop again, simply because of the way it works. With acid/mush, you won't want to do it again immediately.

I dunno. I'd think the addictive part about meth is it makes you want to do stuff; it's sort of an artificial motivation. Thus, people get dependant on it to give them motivation, and can't motivate themselves anymore.

With coke and heroin, it's different. There it's more of an addiction to the "good sensations".

I've seen several friends torn to bits by meth. They're starting to recover now; they turned themselves around. They claim that it isn't the meth that's addictive, it's more the lifestyle that accompanies the meth, and to quit one you have to quit the other.

On the other hand, I've seen some friends who can handle it and not go to pieces. They just ensure they do it in moderation only.

Physiologically, I'm not sure about the scientific evidence backing up some of the claims that were made, but I can't imagine smoking (or for that matter snorting, injecting, etc) something like meth is good for the lungs at all. The sort of abrupt pH imbalances it'd bring about alone could do serious damage.

I like the spiritual explanations, though. They're surprisingly accurate.

[Goat]

I suppose more of the problems come from the fact that taking more meth will keep you going than the fact that it gets you high. In comparison, MDMA won't get you higher after the experience if you drop again, simply because of the way it works. With acid/mush, you won't want to do it again immediately.

i'd like to argue that point...
dropping 20 caps of will fuck most people up.
doing an 8 ball jib rail will fuck most people up.
you reach a point of mangletardedness on each. yes, you can still keep doing more, but you're so high you don't even notice.

as to physical side affects, scientific backing or not, they're what's been experienced.

[Sir_K]

Methamphetamine is not evil, through it would appear to be. It is an inanimate, so it cant really be one or the other.

Methamphetamine is good at making people evil, by devouring their souls and throwing out their ambitions and trashing their dreams in place of doing Meth again.

Methamphetamine is good at looking evil as it is the most addictive substance around.

Methamphetamine represents evil when you think of all of the people who's lives were destroyed almost systematically after they "just wanted to try it once"

Methamphetamine is the cure for humanity. Take 10 times daily and you wont be human anymore.

[MC Hammered]

Originally posted by Sir_K
Methamphetamine is the cure for humanity. Take 10 times daily and you wont be human anymore.

Great post Sir K.

When you have to fork out $300 for a new window for your car every few months just remember this line.

[Sir_K]

Originally posted by MC Hammered


Great post Sir K.

When you have to fork out $300 for a new window for your car every few months just remember this line.

Hopefully you caught the sarcasm. I think the shit is awful. I've had to fork over enough to replace stolen goods because that crap took away someone's humanity.

[Rytalin]

Originally posted by Sir_K


Hopefully you caught the sarcasm. I think the shit is awful. I've had to fork over enough to replace stolen goods because that crap took away someone's humanity.

what sarcasm?

what you said is pretty true...

it's very efficient at destroying human spirit.

[Sir_K]

Originally posted by Rytalin


what sarcasm?

what you said is pretty true...

it's very efficient at destroying human spirit.

Thats what I was thinking, but I think Winston got the wrong idea maybe he was reading fast about the line "cure for humanity". Perhaps sarcasm isnt the right word perhaps "tounge in cheek" would have been better.

I was adopted at 13 because my mother got into meth, injecting.
I've lost countless friends because of it.
I've lost countless objects and things of personal property because of it.

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[Liqwid]

U all should rent SPUN......if u wanna see a cracked out Brittany Murphy, John Leguizamo, and Mena Suvari

fucked up movie....but soo realistic...

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/99/64/43m.jpg

http://i.imdb.com/Photos/Ss/0283003/spunposter.jpg

~Dalyn:008:

[MC Hammered]

Originally posted by Sir_K


Thats what I was thinking, but I think Winston got the wrong idea maybe he was reading fast about the line "cure for humanity". Perhaps sarcasm isnt the right word perhaps "tounge in cheek" would have been better.

Sarcasm?

What is sarcasm?

[zarlon]

Originally posted by Goat
pre-mature greying (it's hareditary in my family, but still happens )

Shit dude you're going gray already? =/

I feel the whole gut rot thing, though... god DAMN.

[bren]

Originally posted by no1d


dj4mula, yeh when u smoke jib, after a couple hoots, u exhale and u get this intense rush, sorta like the rush from E but condensed into a few seconds, then ur just jacked up, u feel great, and u can focus on things really well, u seem like a better person and u seem like u can accomplish things u normally cant, then after this rush, u level off, then the rush keeps coming back for at least 5-8 hours on and off, depending on how often u do it... this level'ing off period is bad because then u end up doing more to keep getting higher and higher, and the come down is horrible, cuz it lasts for sooo long, just giving u more of a chance to do it again to stop the come down,.... this all contributes to the habit, jibheads feel like they are better at accomplishing things, and believe they are better off high then not high, then ur hooked...

very very well said

bren

[Kelster]

Originally posted by Liqwid
U all should rent SPUN......if u wanna see a cracked out Brittany Murphy, John Leguizamo, and Mena Suvari

fucked up movie....but soo realistic...

~Dalyn:008:

hehe...haven't watched it, but my friend played me clips...like when they're doing it, the whole 'bzzzzzzzzzzt' parts

it's intense...kinda funny actually

[zarlon]

I couldn't finish watching spun, reminded me too much of some people I know... Aghhhh :shake: