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How so, I've read your replies.
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if you don't support the artist, you don't support the artform. plain and simple. you're suggesting that taking someone else's creative endeavour and hard work without recognition, with out respect is OK. it's not and in fact will kill the industry. the creative part of it anyway. you also somehow correlated giving recognition to the artist with "how cool it will look listed under your favourite bands on facebook" which is fucking stupid. facebook/myspace/whatever has absolutely fuck all to do with music or the artists who create it other than it's use as a marketing tool and it especially has nothing to do with the enjoyment of the music that the artists create.
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You are of the opinion that music eventually escapes the ideals that bred the creativity in the first place. Fair enough, that's not a huge revelation, pretty much any idiot knows that, but doesn't make such a big deal about it.
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where did you get this from? i don't recall saying anything about "the ideals that bred the creativity" or anything about creativity at all.
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What's wrong with me enjoying a song in the moment simply in the moment. All music is derived from other forms, and sure it's diffrent (and as you may argue not as inovative and interesting).
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i said absolutely
nothing about what you should or shouldn't do as far as how you enjoy music.
you can enjoy music any way you want. the
only issue i have with you're opinion is that you think it's OK to basically say the artist is not important and shouldn't be recognized because it somehow detracts from the music and somehow facebook and being cool are proof that the artist is something to be ignored.
you also don't seem to understand what i meant by "derivative". i'll get to that in a bit.
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Does that make it terrible? No.
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but it also disqualifies it from being "art".
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Can you still enjoy it? Yup.
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well
i probably wont for reasons i've already listed unless i'm completely oblivious to where the "artist" stole their "ideas" from.
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All music is, and for the most party social movements that inspire them, are evolved from previous ideas/music.
Example. You list some of the modren artists you listen to now. Chances are they are pulling from previous influences and artists. The fans of those orginal artists might not care for it using the same arguement that you have, because they remeber when the music meant more to them.
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i'm not entirely sure what you're trying to say here due to the wealth of grammatical, spelling, and punctuation error so i'm going to address the issue of the difference between "influence" and "derivative". yes, all artists are influence by, well, everything, including other artist using the same medium they're using and the same style they're using as well and, yes, they will take ideas/concepts/techniques/etc from outside sources and bring them into their art, but the take multiple ideas/concepts/techniques/etc and synthesize new ideas/concepts/techniques etc. derivative (which is basically a swear word in the creative world and by definition "not original") is when you effectively take one idea/concept/technique/etc rearrange it slightly and put your name on it. obviously there are varying degrees of what is "influence" and what is "derivative". it's not a black and white issue but there is still a big difference between the 2.
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Listen to the damn music, and shut up.
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Jul 13, 07
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