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  #126 (permalink)  
Old Jan 14, 07
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well, it's possible that uploading is not legal, yes.

but what does this change anyway? I quote again...

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The court said although ISPs provide the hardware and technology, they are only "intermediaries" WHO ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE for what people download and are not bound by federal copyright legislation.
it's just none of the ISP's damn business...
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Old Jan 14, 07
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they might not be legally responsible, but they are still need to provide a good quality of service for their customers. prioritizing network traffic does that.
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Old Jan 14, 07
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you just don't get it...



she's a paying customer so she can do whatever the fuck she wants with her connection.
WRONG

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it's NOT up to the ISP to decide what the customer should do with it...this is her decision, and *solely* her decision.
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piracy? filesharing is legal in canada, face it...
ITS A SKETCHY LEGALITY AT BEST

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as long as it's legal and they are not forced to shape traffic by a decree or court decision they should not shape this traffic...coz it's none of their business. especially not when they promise and claim not to do so...
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AN ISP'S RESPONSIBILITY IS TO MAKE MONEY, PERIOD.
AN ISP DOES THIS BY GIVING THE BEST EXPERIENCE TO THE GREATEST NUMBER OF CUSTOMERS.

PROGRAMS (BITTORRENT, SOULSEEK, WHATEVER) CAN BE LEFT ON AND WILL MAX OUT AVAILABLE BANDWIDTH, HURTING OTHER PEOPLES SPEEDS. SHAW/ROGERS NETWORK WAS BUILT FOR RESIDENTIAL USE. THIS ISN'T RESIDENTIAL USAGE, IF YOU WANT TO BE RUNNING THIS KIND OF TRAFFIC GET A REAL BUSINESS CONNECTION, IT WILL COST A LOT MORE THAN 40 BUCKS A MONTH AND THEY WILL LET YOU USE AS MUCH SOULSEEK AND BITTORRENT AS YOU WANT.

THIS IS THERE IS NO NETWORK IN THE WORLD THAT WILL LET YOU CONSTANTLY DEGRADE THE EXPERIENCE OF OTHER USERS, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS FOR SOMETHING AS STUPID AND IMMATERIAL AS "SHARING MP3S AND MOVIES REALLY FAST".

DO SOME QUICK MATH IN YOUR HEAD ON HOW MUCH BANDWIDTH WOULD BE NEEDED TO HAVE A SMALL NETWORK OF SAY 10,000 USERS PAYING $50 TO DO A CONSTANT 500KB UP AND DOWN 24/7. HERE'S A HINT, ITS JUST OVER 38 Gbps

YOU'D MAKE $500,000 A MONTH, WHICH PAYS FOR MAYBE YOUR STAFF, YOUR COLO RENTALS, AND ABOUT 7 GIG LINKS TO ONE UPSTREAM PROVIDER. YOU NOW NEED TO PULL 31 GIGABITS, ADVERTISING, MORE UPSTREAMS, A COUPLE MIL IN NETWORKING GEAR AND FIGURE OUT HOW TO BRING IT TO EVERYONES CURB. HAVE FUN WITH THAT.

KID YOU DON'T HAVE ANY GRASP OF THE REALITIES OF BUSINESS OR RUNNING A NETWORK, YOU JUST LIKE TO DOWNLOAD MP3S AND GOOGLE SHIT.
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Old Jan 14, 07
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well, it's possible that uploading is not legal, yes.

but what does this change anyway? I quote again...


it's just none of the ISP's damn business...
THE LEGALITY OF THE SITUATION IS THAT IF AN ISP IS WARNED OF SOMETHING (SPAMMING, ILLEGAL CONTENT, PHISHING) AND THEY DO NOTHING TO STOP IT, THEY BECOME A LEGAL ACCESSORY TO THE CRIME.

SO YES, IT IS THE ISP'S DAMN BUSINESS WHAT ITS CUSTOMERS DO.
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Gusto, I agree, yes.

but using Ellacoya was a business decision you see...

one of the ways shaw gets subscribers is by touting the speed of their service over dial-up. marketing an ‘unlimited’ service should be that - unlimited...

instead of wasting money for Ellacoya they should invest it where it's needed...for a better network and more bandwith...that's the way lots of other ISPs do it. but taking away free choice from the customers is the worst they can do. also, how do you think Shaw will handle new technologies such as hdtv, iptv, video on demand? with Ellacoya? lol, gimme a break...

also, all this will backfire...if they can shape traffic like this it obviously means that they can see what is going through their network. so how can they disclaim any liability for the transferred content in the future? in the end, all this will just hurt them and their business...
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Old Jan 14, 07
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Gusto, I agree, yes.

but using Ellacoya was a business decision you see...

one of the ways shaw gets subscribers is by touting the speed of their service over dial-up. marketing an ‘unlimited’ service should be that - unlimited...

instead of wasting money for Ellacoya they should invest it where it's needed...for a better network and more bandwith...that's the way lots of other ISPs do it. but taking away free choice from the customers is the worst they can do. also, how do you think Shaw will handle new technologies such as hdtv, iptv, video on demand? with Ellacoya? lol, gimme a break...

also, all this will backfire...if they can shape traffic like this it obviously means that they can see what is going through their network. so how can they disclaim any liability for the transferred content in the future? in the end, all this will just hurt them and their business...
if you'd like to have an 'unlimited' internet connection, consider paying more than residential prices. go with a business connection with guaranteed uptime and bandwidth OR they have to pay your money back. just shut up about this for a while.
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THE LEGALITY OF THE SITUATION IS THAT IF AN ISP IS WARNED OF SOMETHING (SPAMMING, ILLEGAL CONTENT, PHISHING) AND THEY DO NOTHING TO STOP IT, THEY BECOME A LEGAL ACCESSORY TO THE CRIME.

SO YES, IT IS THE ISP'S DAMN BUSINESS WHAT ITS CUSTOMERS DO.
naw, that's not true...

http://www.canlii.org/ca/cas/fct/2004/2004fc488.html
http://reports.fja.gc.ca/en/2004/200...2004fc488.html
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Old Jan 14, 07
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NO IT IS TRUE, THOSE ARE ABOUT DISCLOSING IDENTITIES OF CLIENTS, AND SINCE THERE WAS SKEPTICISM REVOLVING AROUND THE VALIDITY OF THE CLAIM, IT WAS DEEMED THE ISP DIDN'T HAVE TO GIVE UP THAT INFORMATION.

IF THE CLAIM WAS 'TAKE DOWN A HOME-HOSTED WEBSITE GIVING OUT ADOBE PHOTOSHOP ISOS' OR 'HEY SUP LOOKS LIKE THIS GUY IS TRADING CHILD PORN ON KAZAA' THEN THE NETWORK IS REQUIRED TO KILL THAT ACCESS.

SERIOUSLY GUY LESS GOOGLE MORE REAL WORLD EXPERIENCE.
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Old Jan 14, 07
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Old Jan 14, 07
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LIKE THIS IS SHIT I DEAL WITH EVERY DAY.
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Old Jan 14, 07
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work in tech support I take it
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Old Jan 14, 07
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NO THAT WAS LIKE 8 YEARS AGO IN HIGH SCHOOL
JUST CHANGED JOBS OUT OF NETWORK ENGINEERING INTO BEING A SALES SUPPORT ENGINEER IN CONTENT DELIVERY NETWORKS
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awww, I like working in the back I don't have to deal with stupidity from the general public..
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Old Jan 14, 07
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THE DISTANCE BETWEEN ME AND THE AVERAGE INTERNET USER INCREASES AND I GET HAPPIER
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Old Jan 15, 07
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that makes a lot of sense.

when you're the average internet person, your stupidy grows that much more when the next orly owl comes up.

people who use the internet.... make up a lot of dumb shit and shouldnt use the internet.
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Old Jan 19, 07
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/me wants some more negative karma and therefore bumps this thread! :)
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Old Jan 19, 07
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/me wants you to get a blowjob from a cobra, then later die from venom poisioning.
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Old Jan 19, 07
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Shaw came and gave me a new modem yesterday. My speeds are back to 4.7-4.9Mbps. Apparently the old Terayon Modems crap out after many years
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Old Jan 19, 07
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the old terayons are running are very old technology. now you're eligiable for extreme-i (which is an added $10.00 per month) or nitro which is another package in itself.
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Old Jan 19, 07
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hmm, cobras.

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Old Jan 24, 07
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To come to an end here: She's on Telus now!

Both her uploads and downloads work great and she gets the promised speed. So that's the final answer - yes, it was Shaw that cut her COMPLETELY off from uploading and she couldn't do anything about it but change her ISP.

(nothing in her set-up changed except the modem, obviously)

This is a prime example of how not to treat a customer...

And now I'm done with all this! *moves on* :)
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Old Jan 24, 07
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i give it a month until she's bitching again.

then she'll go back to dial up and bitch quicker. then she'll off herself and we'll be happy.
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Old Jan 24, 07
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dies? o.O
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