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Old Jan 18, 05
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so we know that it's a Secondary Source, now what? are you going to call the chancellor of UBC on my ass? you sound VERY desperate to close dialogue on this issue.

No man, I sound like I want to hold you accountable to the rules of serious debate. If you want to pretend you are an academic, if you want people to take you seriously, if you want to act like you've got some legitimate point to press (which, clearly you dont - but that's beside the point) then you have to learn how to play like the big kids. That means following the rules of respectable discourse. Which means not cut and pasting shit without aknowledging that you didnt write it. Of course, its pretty obvious you didn't write it, since you dont understand what it means (come back after you've read hegel dude, it will make a difference. He's talking about ideas as the motor of history, not the way governments organize and act). The point is that if you were engaged in a public debate (oh, wait, you are!) or were writing an academic paper (in which you expressed a clearly organanized idea or set of ideas, worked through a coherent logic, and backed it up with aknowledged and respectable sources - not like the majority of reactionary garbage you barf up here) pulling shit like that would get you disqualified faster than you could say 'zionist conspiracy'. Tap out, you're fly-weight.
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-ff- i think you're wrong because:

theory divides the psyche into three parts. The first is the ego,which Jung identifies with the conscious mind. Closely related is the personal unconscious, which includes anything which is not presently conscious, but can be. The personal unconscious is like most people's understanding of the unconscious in that it includes both memories that are easily brought to mind and those that have been suppressed for some reason. But it does not include the instincts that Freud would have it include.
But then Jung adds the part of the psyche that makes his theory stand out from all others: the collective unconscious. You could call it your "psychic inheritance." It is the reservoir of our experiences as a species, a kind of knowledge we are all born with. And yet we can never be directly conscious of it. It influences all of our experiences and behaviors, most especially the emotional ones, but we only know about it indirectly, by looking at those influences.

There are some experiences that show the effects of the collective unconscious more clearly than others: The experiences of love at first sight, of deja vu (the feeling that you've been here before), and the immediate recognition of certain symbols and the meanings of certain myths, could all be understood as the sudden conjunction of our outer reality and the inner reality of the collective unconscious. Grander examples are the creative experiences shared by artists and musicians all over the world and in all times, or the spiritual experiences of mystics of all religions, or the parallels in dreams, fantasies, mythologies, fairy tales, and literature.

A nice example that has been greatly discussed recently is the near-death experience. It seems that many people, of many different cultural backgrounds, find that they have very similar recollections when they are brought back from a close encounter with death. They speak of leaving their bodies, seeing their bodies and the events surrounding them clearly, of being pulled through a long tunnel towards a bright light, of seeing deceased relatives or religious figures waiting for them, and of their disappointment at having to leave this happy scene to return to their bodies. Perhaps we are all "built" to experience death in this fashion.

and that's why i think you're wrong!
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No man, I sound like I want to hold you accountable to the rules of serious debate. If you want to pretend you are an academic, if you want people to take you seriously, if you want to act like you've got some legitimate point to press (which, clearly you dont - but that's beside the point) then you have to learn how to play like the big kids. That means following the rules of respectable discourse. Which means not cut and pasting shit without aknowledging that you didnt write it. Of course, its pretty obvious you didn't write it, since you dont understand what it means (come back after you've read hegel dude, it will make a difference. He's talking about ideas as the motor of history, not the way governments organize and act). The point is that if you were engaged in a public debate (oh, wait, you are!) or were writing an academic paper (in which you expressed a clearly organanized idea or set of ideas, worked through a coherent logic, and backed it up with aknowledged and respectable sources - not like the majority of reactionary garbage you barf up here) pulling shit like that would get you disqualified faster than you could say 'zionist conspiracy'. Tap out, you're fly-weight.
thanks for the tip :) moving right along...
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^^ you still haven't explained what's so horrible about communism?
maybe that should be your next topic...
Yeah...and isn't communism so obviously perfect?? Obviously you don't have to argue that communism is complete equality. Complete equality, meaning that if you feel it necessary to overcome your present existance, to better yourself through hard work and dedicated studies, you CANNOT make your home any bigger that your neighboors. You cannot take a day off when yoy feel you need a break. You cannot decide that you want to go on vacation without having to pass this by your surrounding community. You cannot leave your country whenever you want. You cannot own your favorite car. You cannot PREVAIL! Fucking stupid communists;P
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Most people can't have any of that stuff under capitalism either.
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Yeah...and isn't communism so obviously perfect?? Obviously you don't have to argue that communism is complete equality. Complete equality, meaning that if you feel it necessary to overcome your present existance, to better yourself through hard work and dedicated studies, you CANNOT make your home any bigger that your neighboors. You cannot take a day off when yoy feel you need a break. You cannot decide that you want to go on vacation without having to pass this by your surrounding community. You cannot leave your country whenever you want. You cannot own your favorite car. You cannot PREVAIL! Fucking stupid communists;P
Communism has nothing to do with a skirmishing force that disallows people to have any of those things. It is basically a theory that is based on human understanding. And by understanding I mean the acceptance of equality. No leaders to watch, and no leaders to rule. Just an organized simplicity amongst all people.
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i don't spend all day sitting in front of a computer...
Just because you and I are net addicted geeks with square eyes doesnt mean everyone is.
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Just because you and I are net addicted geeks with square eyes doesnt mean everyone is.


Honestly, all this extra attention you're giving me is a bit much. Please /yourself
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You bring it on yourself, man. If you'd just shut the fuck up and stop saying stupid things we wouldn't have a problem.
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auto???
auto doesn't cure stupidity, neither will he save your sorry ass once he comes back...
you're doomed, you lost, you (insert ANY negative comment here)
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Honestly, all this extra attention you're giving me is a bit much. Please /yourself
not his fault. Stupid people are always the center of everyone's attention.
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auto doesn't cure stupidity, neither will he save your sorry ass once he comes back...
you're doomed, you lost, you (insert ANY negative comment here)
no kidding!!??
Everyone in this thread pwned him atleast once.
haha
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not his fault. Stupid people are always the center of everyone's attention.
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"any attention, is good attention"
there!
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You bring it on yourself, man. If you'd just shut the fuck up and stop saying stupid things we wouldn't have a problem.
hahaa... sorry, that's my schtick.

This is wum versus auto, not wum versus auto and all his sack riders. I can imagine you frothing at the mouth furiously typing up an essay to attack a single line item in my whole post trying to derail the whole debate on something so benign in which I readily admit was a mistake. Can you say Red Herring??? It's really quite pathetic.

Let's just pretend we never spoke to eachother and make up and you leave me alone



no homo
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^^ you lose.
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hahaa... sorry, that's my schtick.

This is wum versus auto, not wum versus auto and all his sack riders. I can imagine you frothing at the mouth furiously typing up an essay to attack a single line item in my whole post trying to derail the whole debate on something so benign in which I readily admit was a mistake. Can you say Red Herring??? It's really quite pathetic.

Let's just pretend we never spoke to eachother and make up and you leave me alone



no homo

No can do my man. Infact, I've decided to make it one of my many personal missions to hound you continuously in every thread you post in. I hope you llike it!

(ps, studies have shown that those who most vigorously deny homsexuality are the most likely to be repressing their own homosexual desires. You learn something new every day!)
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No can do my man. Infact, I've decided to make it one of my many personal missions to hound you continuously in every thread you post in. I hope you llike it!

(ps, studies have shown that those who most vigorously deny homsexuality are the most likely to be repressing their own homosexual desires. You learn something new every day!)
I'd have to argue with you on that one, because age is a major factor.
Alot of people not only deny, but attack homosexuality from early teen to early twenties... and most of them are far from repressing any homosexual desires, because most of them don't have them. Where were the studies taken? because region can also make a difference, if the studies were done at, say, a univercity of san francisco, chances are it's true... however if the studies were taken in, for example, austin texas... it would be a whole different story..
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Yeah, I was just trying to get his goat. It was mostly a joke. (mostly).
(though I think you are wrong on the location bit there anyway - the general belief these days is that homosexuality is genetic/ inherrent, and that around 10% of the population is likely to be gay no matter what region you are in. Personally, I would dispute you further with the assertion that sexuality is much more fluid than most people believe and that virtually everyone has some bisexual element to them, and certainly everyone has the capacity)

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Yeah, I was just trying to get his goat. It was mostly a joke. (mostly)
:076: so would it be like a Hate crime if i kicked your ass then?
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ewwwwwww the gayyy!
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:076: so would it be like a Hate crime if i kicked your ass then?
I'd love to see you try!

In the imortal (and recklessly stupid, American endangering) words of the man Bush, 'bring it on'
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I'd love to see you try!

In the imortal (and recklessly stupid, American endangering) words of the man Bush, 'bring it on'
I'm more of a "let's roll" fellow.

well thanks for ruining my thread. I will wash my hands of all this gayness

ps. auto, PM me
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Yeah, I was just trying to get his goat. It was mostly a joke. (mostly).
(though I think you are wrong on the location bit there anyway - the general belief these days is that homosexuality is genetic/ inherrent, and that around 10% of the population is likely to be gay no matter what region you are in. Personally, I would dispute you further with the assertion that sexuality is much more fluid than most people believe and that virtually everyone has some bisexual element to them, and certainly everyone has the capacity)
I don't know about the, everybody's got a bisexual side to them, comment, or the one about everyone having the capacity. The way I was raised, and the things i saw around me back home were much different than they are here. For example homosexuality was not as comfortably looked upon in that country. I would always hear in the news about another gay person beaten to death, or hung from a light post by a leather belt. You think people that were beating those poor homos to their deaths would have the capacity to even think about engaging in anything sexual with the same gender?
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I'm more of a "let's roll" fellow.

well thanks for ruining my thread. I will wash my hands of all this gayness

ps. auto, PM me
don't quit now, the fun has just begun...
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