wum vs. auto

[-ff-]

yup, I do.

I think that social arrangements, and the power of 'the norm' are very real though - I'm not saying that those people WILL ever do anything. But just because social power is real doesnt mean it isn't constructed or illusory. Taken out of the social context, and given time to think or experience different things, people raised in a certain way can change.

[wum]

I bet you're just saying that so you can get close enough to €uro Dollar to get a jump on him

[-ff-]

oh no wum, you've figured me out!

My subscription to critical views on sex and gender are actually nothing more than a cunning ruse so as to better bed guys I've never met before from rave message boards!

[Euro Dollar]

Originally Posted by -ff-

yup, I do.

I think that social arrangements, and the power of 'the norm' are very real though - I'm not saying that those people WILL ever do anything. But just because social power is real doesnt mean it isn't constructed or illusory. Taken out of the social context, and given time to think or experience different things, people raised in a certain way can change.

I think it can't just change with 40 year old ex communists that drink vodka all day and bash everything around them...
i think it would take generations of people being raised in different societies and then somehow reunited back on their native land... that would take at least a century...

wum - now i'm positive you're in the closet...
what ever you do, STAY IN THE CLOSET...

[wum]

Originally Posted by -ff-

oh no wum, you've figured me out!

My subscription to critical views on sex and gender are actually nothing more than a cunning ruse so as to better bed guys I've never met before from rave message boards!

i'm on to you

[-ff-]

or maybe its just that I've actually spent more than 5 minutes associating with people who are different than me, as opposed to segregating myself in a tiny, white, lower-middle class hetero social set with extremely limited views.

[-ff-]

Originally Posted by €uro Dollar

I think it can't just change with 40 year old ex communists that drink vodka all day and bash everything around them...
i think it would take generations of people being raised in different societies and then somehow reunited back on their native land... that would take at least a century...

wum - now i'm positive you're in the closet...
what ever you do, STAY IN THE CLOSET...

Yeah, I dont think that you and I are actually really disagreeing here - I dont think I was that clear. What I was trying to get at was that humans (as a species) possess the inherrent capacity. I think socialization can certainly solidify people's conceptions of their sexuality in ways that are probably irreversable. But that is a product of social conditioning, not anything 'natural'.

[wum]

Originally Posted by -ff-

or maybe its just that I've actually spent more than 5 minutes associating with people who are different than me, as opposed to segregating myself in a tiny, white, lower-middle class hetero social set with extremely limited views.

you hang out with homos, admit it

[Euro Dollar]

Originally Posted by wum

i'm on to you

your emoticons aren't cute, nor are they clever...
you're stupid wum, your posts are sounding dumber and dumber, i wonder how stupid you will actually turn out to be... what are you gonna do when there's nothing to "copy&paste"?

[wum]

Originally Posted by €uro Dollar

your emoticons aren't cute, nor are they clever...
you're stupid wum, your posts are sounding dumber and dumber, i wonder how stupid you will actually turn out to be... what are you gonna do when there's nothing to "copy&paste"?

go back to Russia

[-ff-]

Originally Posted by wum

you hang out with homos, admit it

yeah, I do actually.

Is that somehow controversial?

[Euro Dollar]

hahaha.... we're losing him!!!
we're losing him to his own stupidity...

[wum]

Originally Posted by -ff-

yeah, I do actually.

Is that somehow controversial?

dude, what if they convert you

[-ff-]

^

HOLY SHIT! I never thought of that! Damn, I better stop hanging out with them, hey?!

(dumbass)

Originally Posted by -ff-

Personally, I would dispute you further with the assertion that sexuality is much more fluid than most people believe and that virtually everyone has some bisexual element to them, and certainly everyone has the capacity)

[wum]

Originally Posted by -ff-

^

HOLY SHIT! I never thought of that! Damn, I better stop hanging out with them, hey?!

Jesus will totally forgive you

[~god~]

Originally Posted by wum

go back to Russia

he'll be there to fuck you. :)
homo-styleez.

[automatic]

i'll destroy this world tomorrow, i've got better things to do today.

[miss.myra]

like GO TO CONFESSION.

[automatic]

forgive me lord, for i have had impure thoughts about myra's ta-tas

[automatic]

...and don't look at me, you wanted a confession, you got a confession....in fact....

confession

[Euro Dollar]

haha this is some funny stuff here... hey everyone look at this thread!!! it's a funny!

[Ragga_Wh0re]

Originally Posted by €uro Dollar

-ff- i think you're wrong because:

theory divides the psyche into three parts. The first is the ego,which Jung identifies with the conscious mind. Closely related is the personal unconscious, which includes anything which is not presently conscious, but can be. The personal unconscious is like most people's understanding of the unconscious in that it includes both memories that are easily brought to mind and those that have been suppressed for some reason. But it does not include the instincts that Freud would have it include.
But then Jung adds the part of the psyche that makes his theory stand out from all others: the collective unconscious. You could call it your "psychic inheritance." It is the reservoir of our experiences as a species, a kind of knowledge we are all born with. And yet we can never be directly conscious of it. It influences all of our experiences and behaviors, most especially the emotional ones, but we only know about it indirectly, by looking at those influences.

There are some experiences that show the effects of the collective unconscious more clearly than others: The experiences of love at first sight, of deja vu (the feeling that you've been here before), and the immediate recognition of certain symbols and the meanings of certain myths, could all be understood as the sudden conjunction of our outer reality and the inner reality of the collective unconscious. Grander examples are the creative experiences shared by artists and musicians all over the world and in all times, or the spiritual experiences of mystics of all religions, or the parallels in dreams, fantasies, mythologies, fairy tales, and literature.

A nice example that has been greatly discussed recently is the near-death experience. It seems that many people, of many different cultural backgrounds, find that they have very similar recollections when they are brought back from a close encounter with death. They speak of leaving their bodies, seeing their bodies and the events surrounding them clearly, of being pulled through a long tunnel towards a bright light, of seeing deceased relatives or religious figures waiting for them, and of their disappointment at having to leave this happy scene to return to their bodies. Perhaps we are all "built" to experience death in this fashion.

and that's why i think you're wrong!

you pee your pants for christ sakes! Theres no way ON EARTH you just wrote that,no way.

[Gusto]

yeah, way to copy/paste. here's the source: http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/2256

edit: actually the same text is quoted all over the place

[automatic]

ok., i admit, after destroying wum on our first topic i got bored with the second.....it's tedious having a battle of wits with wum, i feel kind of like i'm beating up a blind kid who's in a wheelchair and has asthma.

regardless, i'm not going to try and argue immigration with wum, it pretty much boils down to the fact that i'm hoping for a world where tolerance and understanding of other cultures leads to a new era of harmony, whereas he fears the fact that the dilution of western culture will lead to it's demise (convienently ignoring the fact that "western" culture has had no problems cribbing the best points of eastern culture and vice versa since before we wrote things down).

c'est la vie.

[wum]

...well aint that a bitch


That English was way too good for that shameless Russian :)