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its like the debate team all over again!except rave version!!!!
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second off, i just had some things to do, i don't spend all day sitting in front of a computer... now, do i think the bible was contrived to control the masses? yes and no. for the point of this argument i'm going to stick to the new testament, ie the gospels of christ and pass over the old testament, as it is actually pre-christian. was it originally written to "control society" probably not...in the original christian sect there were no authority figures, and the original christian worship meetings took the form of a group meal, and a public stating of sins followed by forgiveness, and "group love". i'll leave it to you to figure out what that meant. the gospels of christ at this time were passed from hand to hand and mouth to mouth, and it is unlikely that many collected written editions existed. they were basically just recollections of the words and deeds of christ. depending on where they were and who was governing early christians may have feared persecution, but quite a few of the roman emperors of the time preached admirable religious tolerance of christianity, and it seems likely that secrecy was not just for protection but also used to increase the allure of christianity. early christians did not have any leaders or priests per se and the honour of presiding over the ceremony passed from person to person. more importantly there was no group of people who interposed between god and the common people. however, once an order of priests and bishops started to arise then the early christian writings were collected, and this order of ecclesiastical professionals has jealously controlled the gospels since then in order to maintain their power as the conduit between the lay people and god. since then the bible has most definitely been used in order to control people, we only need to look to history to see how many times chrisitianity has been used to get people to fall in line behind a political cause. for example, see if you can tell me where this juicy little tidbit came from:  "god is with us" indeed. and in case your wondering, this information comes from a variey of sources, but mainly from Gibbon's "The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire" chapters 15 16 20 and 21.
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TAG YOUR MAN! TAG YOUR MAN!
This could be good!
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Whoa, when did the Catholics get into this? Don't hate.
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^^ what's wrong with communists? don't hate!
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^^ you still haven't explained what's so horrible about communism?
maybe that should be your next topic...
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no. "multi-culturalism" is the way responsible governments try and stop bloodshed that might otherwise result from the unprecedented blending and melding of cultures brought about by the extensive and lightning fast means of cultural transmission in our modern age. since the days of colonialism, advances in communication and transportation have meant that cultural meme's travel across the world faster than ever before. to think that this can somehow be prevented or that it is somehow imposed is ludicrous. 100 years ago, if you were a middle class belgian then travelling to england might have been considered a "strange journey to a foreign land". now the average belgian can hop on a plane and be in afirca for his vacation a few hours later without worrying about breaking the bank. any sort of cultural vector, from religion to politics to fashion to cuisine to moral and ethical systems can easily be accessed in anyone's living room or study. we live in a truly global world, and to think that any sort of government intervention is going to stop cultural melding is to live in a fairy tale. you may not want to have to get along with your neighbours who cook funny smelling food and speak in a different language, but chances are that where they come from there's a family just like them who doesn't want to have to walk down the street and see signs with scantily clad women advertising soft drinks from yours. cross-cultural assimilation is simply a fact of life, and while there are always those so afraid of change that they are willing to try and resist the inevitable, the smart ones are those who work to see that the inevitable changes are brought about in such away as to do the most possible good for all.
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wum, the fact that your posts are drifting off topic, and are very short means you're losing.
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I think what he conceives of as 'multiculturalism' is 'different 'races' living in the same country' (races in quotes, because the actual concept of 'race' is on the way to being deconstructed out of existence). Too bad for wum that different ethnicities have been living together in every country since the beginning of time, and the idea of a 'pure' ethnic group is a fiction.
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