McCain or Obama

[Courtney]

Originally Posted by Alex

Courtney, you're assuming my beliefs and standing on other issues.

I believe parenting should be a privilege you have to earn and work for, not a right.

Just because other situations are less ideal, doesn't make the situation under debate ideal.

Fair Enough but it's not a perfect world
what defines a good parent, there's no such thing as perfection in that field... A drug addict may educate their child much more than an absent business man father. It may sound bizarre but it's true. What is ideal parenting? that question may vary...I mean yeah most people know the bases of what should define a good parent in theory but like most things, sometimes we can't apply theory to real life.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by -evil-duerr-

ah i see...

I just seems silly to me that everyone calls obama a black guy considering mixed race people are their own race entirely.

Does it also seem silly that all these stories talk about how America finally looked past race and elected a black man, when the journalists themselves are calling him "black" based on the colour of his skin and not on 100% of his ethnic heritage?

Whole lotta silly goin round.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Alex

I don't even see how the colour of his skin should be relevant(obviously it still is)

I mean from a cultural stand point he was raised by his white mother and white grandparents, meeting his father only once I think it was after he was 2 years old.

The guy is Columbia/Harvard educated. Culturally he is really no different than the majority of other politicians.

Voting for Obama simply because his skin is black and it is a 'step forward' is just as racist as not voting for him because of the colour of his skin.

If you want to look at this election and remove everything but the actual political standings, a large majority of Americans share beliefs closer to McCain than Obama.

Don't get me wrong I'm not against someone with a different skin colour being the President, it probably should have happened a long time ago, I'm just curious if most Americans voted for Obama for the right reason- his politics.

he was raised by a white mother and indonesian step father, his parents were middle class but he managed to get into two ivy league schools graduating magna cum laude from harvard law where he was the first black president of the harvard law review a position in which he excelled and was well regard by both conservative and liberal academics of law.

he is a far step from the silver spoon dummies bush/mccain who used their familial connections to get them where they are today and are widely regrded as mediocre students(in mccain's case atrocius) and who largely failed in almost every other endevour they engaged upon only to be repeadedly rescued by the wealth and political connections that were afforded them simply because they were lucky enough to be born into the right family.

shit if you or I became president (foreign born rulenotwithstanding) it would be one hell of an accomplishment.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Grapes

Does it also seem silly that all these stories talk about how America finally looked past race and elected a black man, when the journalists themselves are calling him "black" based on the colour of his skin and not on 100% of his ethnic heritage?

Whole lotta silly goin round.

furthermore he's not a descendent of slaves, so in a technical sense he is not what could be a considered a 'real' african american.

[Alex]

I'm not saying it's not an accomplishment, but Obama definitely wasn't poor or hard pressed growing up. He's a hard working intelligent man whom I happen to disagree with on many issues. The startling part is the vast majority of Americans disagree with him on his platform and politics, so either he managed to convince them to change their views on life, or they voted for him due to the wrong reasons.

[tiedye]

What's up with all this half-empty shit? How the fuck else is progress supposed to begin? As far as I'm concerned, they've accepted that they need to check themselves and change for the better.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by Alex

I'm not saying it's not an accomplishment, but Obama definitely wasn't poor or hard pressed growing up. He's a hard working intelligent man whom I happen to disagree with on many issues. The startling part is the vast majority of Americans disagree with him on his platform and politics, so either he managed to convince them to change their views on life, or they voted for him due to the wrong reasons.

well since he won the election it kind of puts your arguments about people disagreeing with his policies to bed.

if youre trying to say they voted for hem becuse he was black, it dosnt really add up to the statistical and anecdotal evidence that is out there.

id venutre to say that the 53% of americans who voted for him are more likely tired of the having the same old incompetent hacks who prey on people's fears run the place.

[EPID3MIK-7]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

If anything immigrates seem to be the ones who segregate them selfs. Although I think this mostly has to do with language and culture more than race. If they can find others like them, which is highly more likely in an urban area, than they click. Where as in a rural area, the chances of a family finding an other family with the same language and culture is near impossible... therefore they're forced to integrate with the locals.

I especially see this with international students. The one kid from France integrated a lot more with the locals than the group of Italians or Koreans.

I agree with you on that. International and satellite students tend to create a clique amongst themselves in order to feel more comfortable and safe, but at the same time the cliques stunt their adaption into western culture/society. The fact that they clique makes them hold on to where the came from, but don't get me wrong you gotta know your roots, and i respect that... but they also gotta acknowledge that fact that they're in a new country now and ya gotta learn how to interact wit people out here and adapt. Many many international and satellite students do make the effort in the adaption, but a majority do not and almost demand that canadians accept them as is, including behavior that can be seen as reverse racism.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Alex

You're assuming I think otherwise. I don't. Personally I believe reproducing in our society should be a privilege and not a right. If it was a privilege adoption would become obsolete(nearly)

Do you even understand the laws of nature?

God, you must have orgasmed when you read Brave New World.

Originally Posted by Alex

You're assuming I think otherwise. I don't. Personally I believe reproducing in our society should be a privilege and not a right. If it was a privilege adoption would become obsolete(nearly)

What is so funny about this is that its a fact that healthy and well educated women have less children, if not any. However its the poor, uneducated, and malnourished people who produce far more children.

Alex sometimes your thinkings just doesn't work in reality. Have you ever tried looking at the root of the problem before making such statements?

Originally Posted by Alex

My experience + Studies by Stats Can and other private research backing it up trumps your personal experience with no studies backing it up.

How does your experince out do mine? I never said your experince was wrong, im just saying I experienced something completely different. Second, please show me where you found stats and studies that measure the level of ignorance and stereotyping when comparing urban and rural areas.

Your essay marked 0 doesn't count.

[SEAN!]

Originally Posted by EPID3MIK-7

I agree with you on that. International and satellite students tend to create a clique amongst themselves in order to feel more comfortable and safe, but at the same time the cliques stunt their adaption into western culture/society. The fact that they clique makes them hold on to where the came from, but don't get me wrong you gotta know your roots, and i respect that... but they also gotta acknowledge that fact that they're in a new country now and ya gotta learn how to interact wit people out here and adapt. Many many international and satellite students do make the effort in the adaption, but a majority do not and almost demand that canadians accept them as is, including behavior that can be seen as reverse racism.

yeah man, cuz like some on those ESL students are fly and i totally wanna smash one before i get hitched.

Or i could get hitched with one, damn, werd up to immigration scams.

on a serious note:

i have a friend who has alot of friends who are esl students but he lives downtown and is a praticing buddhist so i think its more about who you run into in your life more then anything. i dont see too many esl stuents banging out to butt rock at the boone county even though there are all differnt types there. language is a very real barrier between groups of people that otherwise would probaby get along.

thats why i wanna learn as many languages as i can before i die, so i can lern how to communicate with differnt people better.

[EPID3MIK-7]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

i have a friend who has alot of friends who are esl students but he lives downtown and is a praticing buddhist so i think its more about who you run into in your life more then anything. i dont see too many esl stuents banging out to butt rock at the boone county even though there are all differnt types there. language is a very real barrier between groups of people that otherwise would probaby get along.

thats why i wanna learn as many languages as i can before i die, so i can lern how to communicate with differnt people better.

LOL @ Boone County.

But yeh,
I follow ya on that 100%,

Language is absolutley a major barrier, I got to learned that straight up when traveling in Italy. (BTW first time in Europe) I'm pretty sure I butchered their beautiful language, but everyone I spoke had hella smiles and seemed to really appreciate the effort. They were prolly hella tripped out... Chinese guy, with a Canadian accent attempting to speak Italian...... priceless... I digress.....Anyways!!! In turn I got waaaaaaay better help and hospitality than "joe shmoe" who stubbornly chose to only speak English and almost demanding that the Italians understood what they were getting at.

...it was brutal.

That is also why I want to travel and learn as many languages (or attempt to) as possible.

[ebbomega]

^ Chicks dig dudes with accents... don't forget that when learning new languages.

[Krusha]

did you guys see the new southpark, holy fucking awesome.


and we will name our puppy sparkles

lol

[cubed]

^Just about to sit down and watch it.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

How does your experince out do mine? I never said your experince was wrong, im just saying I experienced something completely different. Second, please show me where you found stats and studies that measure the level of ignorance and stereotyping when comparing urban and rural areas.

Your essay marked 0 doesn't count.

I quoted a stats can study on income gap earlier in this thread, their's another study on actual levels of how accepted/integrated immigrant's feel google it you'll find it. If you're too inept to do that I'll google it for you tomorrow.

I said my experience that 'coincidentally' results inthe same conclusion as recent studies trumps your experiences that have absolutely nothing but your own opinion backing them up.

[stephen_c]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

^ Chicks dig dudes with accents... don't forget that when learning new languages.

are u sure about that?

[Alex]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

well since he won the election it kind of puts your arguments about people disagreeing with his policies to bed.

if youre trying to say they voted for hem becuse he was black, it dosnt really add up to the statistical and anecdotal evidence that is out there.

id venutre to say that the 53% of americans who voted for him are more likely tired of the having the same old incompetent hacks who prey on people's fears run the place.

Are you confident the majority of Americans knew or understood the majority of his platform before voting for him?

He ran a good election. Americans undoubtedly wanted 'change', I'm just not convinced the masses who voted for Obama realized the direction the change he was promoting would take them.

[Alex]

Originally Posted by R Wellbelove

What is so funny about this is that its a fact that healthy and well educated women have less children, if not any. However its the poor, uneducated, and malnourished people who produce far more children.

Alex sometimes your thinkings just doesn't work in reality. Have you ever tried looking at the root of the problem before making such statements?

If the unhealthy uneducated and unfit were barred from pro-creation and pro-creation was considered a privilege earned through hard work and effort, desire amongst the successful would increase.

What is reality? Just because an idea is not plausible in our current society doesn't necessarily mean it is out of the realm of possibilities.

[-evil-duerr-]

Originally Posted by Grapes

Does it also seem silly that all these stories talk about how America finally looked past race and elected a black man, when the journalists themselves are calling him "black" based on the colour of his skin and not on 100% of his ethnic heritage?

Whole lotta silly goin round.

welcome to sillytown u.s.a

population: sad reality

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by Alex

I'm just curious if most Americans voted for Obama for the right reason- his politics.

You think that he won because everyone supported him 'just because he's black' ?? Voting for the "wrong reason" (race:according to your comment above) most likely would have resulted in a loss for Obama. He won %53 of the popular vote because of his politics not the color of his skin. If anything, he lost votes from a large percentage of the racist population for his skin color, and likely would have way more of the popular vote if it was just based on politics. After Bush, it only makes sense to have a huge swing back to Democrats.

[dabbler]

Originally Posted by Alex

The startling part is the vast majority of Americans disagree with him on his platform and politics,

source please

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by SEAN!

furthermore he's not a descendent of slaves, so in a technical sense he is not what could be a considered a 'real' african american.

Although part of him comes from Africa. And he's American. :P

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Alex

If the unhealthy uneducated and unfit were barred from pro-creation and pro-creation was considered a privilege earned through hard work and effort, desire amongst the successful would increase.

What is reality? Just because an idea is not plausible in our current society doesn't necessarily mean it is out of the realm of possibilities.

What kind of fucked up reality do you live in where this is a plausible solution?

So, what, you going to suggest that sex is only for those that can afford it? That doesn't strike you as slightly fascist or in any way horribly horribly immoral?

I really can't believe I'm reading this. If this is the kind of reasoning that you bring into your voting strategy then you have some serious issues.

Your problem is that you seem to think that only successful individuals are the only productive members of society. If this were the case there'd be nobody doing the low-level manual labour that allows middle and upper class people to live their lives of privilege. And if you want to throttle their reproductive rates then all our industry is just going to be moved to China and other developing nations, and then all our infrastructure will move away and then NOBODY will be able to live a life of privilege.

Poor and underprivileged people are necessary in society, and to deny them reproductive rights is assuring that we will have NO economy in the future.

Open your fucking eyes and look beyond your own upbringing and you might see that even if they're lower class, they're still an integral part of society.