New Orleans is sinking (OFFICAL THREAD)

[Chewy]

Originally Posted by Dj Franco

It makes me sick how Red Cross is gonna make shit loads of money from this. They took over 50% of the donations for the Tsunami, expect the same from Katrina.

they do need money to function as a service ..... not like vehicals and gas and feeding the red cross workers is free

[esoter1c]

http://www.abc.net.au/news/arts/thes...9/s1453060.htm
What a Fucking Loooooooooooooooser!!!!!!

[esoter1c]

http://www.nppa.org/news_and_events/...urricane2.html
Nothin' 2 c here folks move along !

[Play-it-hard]

After watchin the news yesterday, I was overcome with sadness !! I don't know anyone that lives near or in new orleans. But when they were sayin that the hospital emergencey generators were giving out cause of the flooding, i wanted to cry. These people survived and had hope, And now there is no electricity and people are busting their asses to help, While police are getting shot. I just dont understand this world sumtimes

[esoter1c]

Locals believe Levees were Intentionally blown
Evidence suggests there were "cracks" in levees that were intentionally ignored, questions over how they failed.

Prisonplanet | September 9 2005
By Steve Watson

Could the levees in New Orleans have been INTENTIONALLY blown out in order to save sections of the city deemed to be more important?

The locals certainly seem to think so, yet, as usual, the mainstream media is barely picking up on this wave of opinion, so it is left to us once again to bring the issue into the open.

RELATED: FEMA Deliberately Sabotaging Hurricane Relief Efforts

Government Sabotage Of Hurricane Katrina Relief Efforts

When Katrina hit, it drifted 15 miles to the east of where forecasters said it would strike. Therfore it wasn't quite the monster described. The storm passed through with relatively minor damage, it was the the storm surge from the Gulf that caused Lake Pontchartrain to rise three feet and the subsequent flooding. Katrina hit early on Monday 29th August, the levees broke in three places - along the Industrial Canal, the 17th Street Canal, and the London Street Canal.

The main storm surge from Hurricane Katrina washed into Lake Pontchartrain at around 7AM on August 29th when the counterclockwise motion of Katrina was pushing water from the Gulf of Mexico into the lake.



(Click here for a Map )

Some are questioning the timeline of the levee failures, suggesting that there was a 21 hour discrepancy between the storm surge and the collapse of the levees . This is not the case. The first levee broke just a few hours after the hurricane hit on the same morning.

This confusion may have arisen due to the fact that Homeland Security Chief Michael Chertoff has said that the levees broke overnight between Monday-Tuesday, and theat he was not informed of this til midday Tuesday.


The breach of the 17th Street Canal levee resulted in the failure of a crucial pumping station nearby, according to a statement made by New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin.

However, it seems that this exact scenario was expected and ignored. In an interview with New Orleans radio station local radio station WWL-AM, Nagin revealed how irate he was that this had been allowed to happen:

Nagin: You know what really upsets me, Garland? We told everybody the importance of the 17th Street Canal issue. We said, "Please, please take care of this. We don't care what you do. Figure it out."

WWL: Who'd you say that to?

Nagin: Everybody: the governor, Homeland Security, FEMA. You name it, we said it. And they allowed that pumping station next to Pumping Station 6 to go under water. Our sewage and water board people ... stayed there and endangered their lives. And what happened when that pumping station went down, the water started flowing again in the city, and it starting getting to levels that probably killed more people. In addition to that, we had water flowing through the pipes in the city. That's a power station over there. So there's no water flowing anywhere on the east bank of Orleans Parish. So our critical water supply was destroyed because of lack of action.


It has emerged though that some kind of work was carried out on the 17th Street Canal levee. Reports have suggested that the funding was not there to complete the job, but some work had been done:

"The Senate was seeking to restore some of the SELA funding cuts for 2006. But now it's too late. One project that a contractor had been racing to finish this summer was a bridge and levee job right at the 17th Street Canal, site of the main breach on Monday."

Of course we know that it was the White House that slashed funding for such projects in order to pump more money into the war in Iraq.

According to the New York Times, Dr. Shea Penland of the Pontchartrain Institute was surprised because the break was "along a section that was just upgraded. It did not have an earthen levee, it had a vertical concrete wall several feet thick."

It also seems that the broken section of the Industrial Canal levee was having "construction" work done on it recently.

New York Times science reporter Dr. Andrew Revkin has stated of the 17th Street Canal that "officials and [Army Corps] engineers said that after they had found the widening gap in the concrete wall on the eastern side of the canal, they had no quick-response plan to repair it."

Lt. Gen. Carl A. Strock, commander of the corps, said "plugging the gap was a lower priority." The corps is directed by FEMA. "It is FEMA who is really calling the shots and setting priorities here,"

Alfred C. Naomi, a senior project manager for the corps, was quoted in the same article as saying "there were still no clear hints why the main breach in the flood barriers occurred along the 17th Street Canal, normally a conduit for vast streams of water pumped out of the perpetually waterlogged city each day and which did not take the main force of the waves roiling the lake. He said that a low spot marked on survey charts of the levees near the spot that ruptured was unrelated and that the depression was where a new bridge crossed the narrow canal near the lakefront."

This would refute the speculation that a dip in the retaining levee or walls might have allowed water to slop over and start the collapse. So we have an unexplained crack in several feet of concrete. FEMA decided not to plug it and let the water flow until a US city was flooded and thousands had drowned.

Dynamite? History repeating itself?

Many locals have come forward to suggest that the levees were breached on purpose by the authorities. Resident Andrea Garland, now re-located to Texas, wrote in her blog:

"Also heard that part of the reason our house flooded is they dynamited part of the levee after the first section broke - they did this to prevent Uptown (the rich part of town) from being flooded. Apparently they used too much dynamite, thus flooding part of the Bywater. So now I know who is responsible for flooding my house - not Katrina, but our government."

This scenario is not so crazy as it sounds, in fact this exact thing has happened before in the same city. In 1927, the Mississippi River broke its banks in 145 places, depositing water at depths of up to 30ft over 27,000 square miles of land.

The disaster changed American society, shifting hundreds of thousands of delta-dwelling blacks into northern cities and cementing the divisions and suspicions that benign neglect has ensured remain today. New Orleans’ (mainly white) business class pressurised the state to dynamite a levee upstream, releasing water into (mainly black) areas of the delta. Black workers were forced to work on flood relief at gunpoint, like slaves.


Two parishes, St. Bernard and Plaquemines, which had a combined population of 10,000, were destroyed. Just before Katrina, these parishes had about 10 times the 1927 population. Both parishes are now under many feet of water.

This information is covered in depth in a book by John M. Barry entitled Rising Tide: The Great Mississippi Flood of 1927 and how it Changed America, 1997 which has incidentally become heavily in demand after Katrina.

Furthermore, levees were also intentionally broke after Hurricane Betsy struck New Orleans in 1965, admittedly with less of an impact. The tactic of breaking the dikes is not uncommon, as this CNN report on China's floodplains highlights.

Engineers have now punched holes in several levees in parts of New Orleans where flood levels were higher than the water in drainage canals leading to Pontchartrain, in order to let water flow out.

Did the authorities decide to sacrifice the poor folks and blow the levees in order to save the French Quarter of New Orleans which houses the richer residents, the lucrative historical buildings and thousands of businesses?

Explosions?

There were reports of many explosions heard in New Orleans, officials say they were transformers blowing up. Total Information Analysis has reported a claim by intelligence expert Tom Heneghen that 25 earwitnesses cited explosions immediately before the levee breach.

Similar reports are now appearing in many web blogs:

"He also mentioned that right before the mass flood there was a loud sound like an explosion." - News from St. Bernard

"I'll tell you the worst thing I've heard and I heard it from my mother. She said she heard several blasts - big booms - right before the levees broke. Several blasts and then all the water came pouring in." - aangirfan

Although these are obviously not authoritative sources of information, it is interesting to note how many local people are reporting this. So interesting in fact that the mainstream has picked up on it in places.

The Washington Post reported on the comments of a retired school teacher:

"Mullen has a schoolteacher's kindly demeanor, so it was jarring to hear him say he suspected that the levee breaks had somehow been engineered to keep the wealthy French Quarter and Garden District dry at the expense of poor black neighborhoods like the Lower Ninth Ward -- a suspicion I heard from many other black survivors."

The Globe and Mail is also carrying a similar story.

ABC World News Tonight carried a report which contained an interview with a local, who described how a flloating barge had rammed the levee. The man seemed convined that the levee was purposefully broken. A transcript of which has appeared on the net:

David Muir: “Was it solely the water that broke the levee? Or was it the force of this barge that now sits where homes once did? Joe Edwards says neither. People are so bitter, so disenfranchised in this neighborhood, they actually think the city did it, blowing up the levee to save richer neighborhoods, like the French Quarter.”
Muir to Edwards as they stand on a bridge: “So you're convinced-”
Edwards: “I knows it happened.”
Muir: “-that they broke the levee on purpose?”
Edwards: “They blew it.”
Muir: “New Orleans’ Mayor says there's no credence to this.”
Mayor Ray Nagin: “That storm was so powerful and it pushed so much water -- there's no way anyone could have calculated -- would dynamite the levee to have the kind of impact to save the French Quarter.”
Muir concluded: “An LSU expert who looked at the video today, says that while the barge may have caused it, it was most likely the sheer force of the water that brought the levee, along the lower 9th ward, down.”

The mysterious barge story has also been reported by many other local residents. "The evacuees who witnessed the barge striking the levee also want to know why the major media is not covering this story."

The London Observer carried an intriguing story of a man named Correll Williams, a 19-year-old meat cutter. The article states that:

"Williams only left his apartment after the authorities took the decision to flood his district in an apparent attempt to sluice out some of the water that had submerged a neighbouring district. Like hundreds of others he had heard the news of the decision to flood his district on the radio. The authorities had given people in the district until 5pm on Tuesday to get out - after that they would open the floodgates."

So it's clear that barriers WERE being broken in an attempt to protect areas of the city.

Some final intruiging footage reveals a journalist questioning former President Bill Clinton as to why many locals feel that the levees were purposefully broken. This was during the press conference with Clinton and George Bush Snr announcing their combined "relief effort" for New Orleans. Ignore the first 15 minutes of sickening joking and backslapping between the two and skip to the last minute of footage. Upon hearing the question Clinton appears to be surprised and then simply walks off.

[esoter1c]

http://www.infowars.com/articles/new...t_of_homes.htm

If that was my ganny that pig would be getting some bacon cut off his back !

[Dj Franco]

Bush has been critized heavily that the war in Iraq is interfering with relief efforts for Katrina because majority of our troops are fighting a worthless war rather then helping innocent people in New Orleans. He continues to tell us that we have plenty of troops to handle both at the same time.

Well explain why we have Mexican troops helping in relief efforts if we have enough American troops.

click here to download video & view in external player

Can you say Pan American union

[rawb]

okay, so bush started the hurricane with a weather machine to recruit mexican troops and overextend his own military, all the while not caring about poor people.

[Dj Franco]

Originally Posted by rawb

okay, so bush started the hurricane with a weather machine to recruit mexican troops and overextend his own military, all the while not caring about poor people.

Did I say that ??


STFU

[sNyx]

Originally Posted by rawb

okay, so bush started the hurricane with a weather machine to recruit mexican troops and overextend his own military, all the while not caring about poor people.

Breakdown:
http://www.crystalinks.com/haarp.html

Radical:
http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/haarp/

Against:
http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/bj040501.html

Pictures:
http://www.geocities.com/or_nation/index.html

[rawb]

sorry the bonesmen made me do it. nanoo nanoo.

[diva]

... and I dont wanna swim.


badoom tsh!

yes. I know. Groan worthy.

But if this whole 'New Orleans descends into anarchy' business is anything to go by, the US has just proven itself totally incapable of dealing with something like a terrorist attack. Where is the command and control? Where is the rapid reaction rescue crews? I mean, they KNEW the hurricane was comming ahead of time! And look at the total chaos! Would the rescue operation and cleanup be this fucked up if someone set off a dirty bomb in San Fransico? Ten times as fucked? Terrorists - look on and take heart, the US is weeeeeeaaaaak and disorganized!

i didn't think of it like that, but you've got a good point simon. the US has just shown the entire world that they are incapable of dealing with a disaster (natural or not) of this magnitude.

i mean, what do you think their 'friends' in iran are thinking as they watch countless US citizens rot away in a 90something degree dome with zero food, water, or washroom facilities? i bet they were laughing their asses off at them.

oh, and lol at the head of FEMA being relieved of his duties. he was a former horse trainer or something!

rawb: looting happens after almost every natural disaster. the reason this situation seems to have had a larger amount of looting is probably due to the fact that the hurricain struck one of the poorest areas in the USA. combine the area's mass poverty, with lack of resources, and pre-existing astronomical crime rate, and you've got a recipe for "i'm taking this plasma screen and floating it down the river on this makeshift canoe." i'm sure that a lot of the looters had no idea now fucked they really were. gang mentality is definitely not conducive to rational behaviour.

i think some people are speculating that the government wont bother rebuilding a lot of the areas that were affected by the disaster. the economy in that area will be in shambles for years, if not decades to come. the poor people who worked in the service industry and the tourism sector wont have any jobs to come back to. companies who's buildings were destroyed are already relocating to different cities and states.

new orleans, much like atlantis, is gone forever.

[diva]

Did I say that


STFU

lol

:P

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by rawb

sorry the bonesmen made me do it. nanoo nanoo.

That was some funny shit.

I'm still tryin' to figure out why they would blow the levee ?

[Dj Franco]

Now we know how the government and FEMA will treat us if a natural disaster ever hits us.

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/9356608/

[crookedking]

wtf? people are still talking about this?

DON'T ANY OF YOU REALISE THAT BRITNEY HAD A BOY????

[chugster]

bush hates ******s... bottom line.

[esoter1c]

Originally Posted by chugster

bush hates ******s... bottom line.

Is that you ?

[chugster]

Oogaaboogaa!!!

[Play-it-hard]

Originally Posted by crookedking

wtf? people are still talking about this?

DON'T ANY OF YOU REALISE THAT BRITNEY HAD A BOY????

hahahahahaha

[spectrum]

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