Article on Vancover after hours and raves (the Province)

[crackdragon]

Not even worth reading in it's entirety... I wonder if they are required to write one of these each year.

[KrisisID]

^^^
i completely agree with crackdragon, it loses momentum quite fast. I've never been to gorg-o-mish before though many times tempted.

[Vitamin-X]

300 W hastings was ,hands down, the best after-hours ever.
With Spanish banks being a close second.

[SWIFTBEATS]

Originally Posted by Avana

as much as i am disappointed in the article, lets face it, the vancouver after hours scene got caught with egg on its face. they found the worst of the worst, of course they are going to play it up.

parties like these make it hard for those that are trying to do it legally.

worst of the worst? thanks bitch I will remember that next time you tell me not to tell people about your drug intake and all the other bullshit involved with you

Originally Posted by SWIFTBEATS

worst of the worst? thanks bitch I will remember that next time you tell me not to tell people about your drug intake and all the other bullshit involved with you

whatevs, you can mistake everything i say.

if they found a group of 30 people at apex doing the same bullshit, i would say the same thing. it is the ugly truth about the scene. it is just easier to spot at a party with 100 people than a party with 6000.

being a rave promoter is nothing to be proud of. every time someone gets carried out on a stretcher, i am reminded why i shouldnt be doing what i do.

[KrisisID]

^^^
Then don't do it??

[Phrenetic]

Originally Posted by Avana

whatevs, you can mistake everything i say.

if they found a group of 30 people at apex doing the same bullshit, i would say the same thing. it is the ugly truth about the scene. it is just easier to spot at a party with 100 people than a party with 6000.

being a rave promoter is nothing to be proud of. every time someone gets carried out on a stretcher, i am reminded why i shouldnt be doing what i do.

its not your event that cause these people to get hurt its the people themselves

[LeeBrat]

Originally Posted by NinjaBoy

This is the one problem when a new story is filled under "commentary" or "investigative report". There are few facts, but they are written to be quite sensational.

Articles like this are able to bend the truth without any backlash. It is very obvious that this article is bias. I haven't been to any sort of rave in over a year, but I don't remeber them being how this person described.


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So true, I myself haven't been to a rave/party in over a year either...but the last time i saw anything even remarkably close to what she described was at a dingy house party, and it wasn't that bad at all.

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

its not your event that cause these people to get hurt its the people themselves

i agree with that. i also agree that i can only do so much to prevent what they do there. but i am still creating the venue in which they do it.

[Grapes]

Originally Posted by dj_soo

hrm, wonder what venue that is that's under the Oak St bridge

I wonder that too.. that's where my company's survey HQ is located (and overall construction warehouse) is located, so it's where I go to work every morning.

[Grapes]

Btw hopefully the article used the perennial picture of the girl with her hands in the air and her ribs sticking out her sides

Originally Posted by Grapes

Btw hopefully the article used the perennial picture of the girl with her hands in the air and her ribs sticking out her sides

that picture so accurately depicts the girls of the rave scene as does the article.

[Phrenetic]

Originally Posted by Avana

i agree with that. i also agree that i can only do so much to prevent what they do there. but i am still creating the venue in which they do it.

you do your part in hiring security and managing it to be the safest possible, if these people go to apex and take it to far who is to blame? The easiest to blame is the people throwing the event because, lets face it, they run off with the money. promoters have it bad.

if someone dies at an event who is liable?

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

you do your part in hiring security and managing it to be the safest possible, if these people go to apex and take it to far who is to blame? The easiest to blame is the people throwing the event because, lets face it, they run off with the money. promoters have it bad.

if someone dies at an event who is liable?

fine line, amigo. apex follows the law. these parties do not. Apex's security takes into effect that for its scope the attempt to minimize negligence and injury is complete.

When was the last time you went to an underground that you felt that the promoters were doing what a 'reasonable person' would do (the law defines that as someone of good to perfect judgment, not even average...think par in golf) in order to keep you safe? There's a reason they're illegal (zoning restrictions aside, which seemed to be a focus of this article).

So who's liable? Ultimately, a person wherever they are is expected to obey the law and behave as a reasonable person should. However, when we enter a premise we often put a certain amount of care into the hands of those around us and in charge. "we are not liable" statements can only go so far, they're not always a "catch all" either.


Baaaasically what I'm trying to say is at apex for example, if anyone in charge showed negligence of care, they'd be held accountable. However, apex is huge, and a lot of people there are not following the reasonable person test, and apex promoters must be certain to do all within their care to a reasonable level. Avana and co does a fine job of this...pretty much because they're aware of what can happen if things fuck up. You've got security, medics, and safety of probably more than is needed.

I've been to underground parties where the promoter is just as fucked up as the 17 year olds sketching out on the floor. security....what good is a bag check that feels from the outside? So if you've shown negligence in protecting your guests from forseeable harm, you're liable.

[Phrenetic]

I know what your talking about with the under ground raves with 17 year old promoters, a friend of mine threw such a party last saturday. All I have to say is at least give me a trainspotter who was really tough looking to stand behind me and make sure no one goes up and wants too lift the needle or turn a knob (which happened 4 times). there was a fight right next to me, 2 guys in a headlock stopping around breaking records and such. no one seemed to care, al i could think about was protecting my lady and making sure the sit in front of me wasn't going to get trashed.

i bet this happens to most undergrounds with no security, imagine how much of a fuck fest some of these events would be with no security, let alone the shady area. despite the security and constant RCMP showing up a vast majority are on some sort of chemical, also the second room always smells like pot at riverside and at 5am its not uncommon to see constant joints being passed around in front of the main stage ( i remember guyvers face when he saw it lol).

One more thing about drinking. If you are piss drunk they go ahead and let you inside! i once saw this girl puke the shit out in the front of the line up and the security just let her inside gave her some water and turned her loose, i saw her 20 mins later laying in her own vomit on the floor (no event or security company will be named haha).

i dunno, just 0.02 of a cent

[NinjaBoy]

God damn, I don't remeber the events I threw/went to being this bad. Suddenly the club's don't seem so bad.

[Phrenetic]

undergrounds where all about PLUR when i Lived in Edmonton. those where the days, 14 years old and geeked out on every drug you could think of...

[Gusto]

Originally Posted by wishbone

how would one vomit in a productive fashion?

it said retch, not vomit. productively means you actually throw up as opposed to dry heaving. gross why am i even talking about this.

[ebbomega]

Originally Posted by Phrenetic

undergrounds where all about PLUR when i Lived in Edmonton. those where the days, 14 years old and geeked out on every drug you could think of...

Please stop using that word. It lost meaning over a decade ago.

"PLUR" is just a codeword for "Having a good time". All the lofty philosophy and waffling that people turned it into was on the most part disliked by those that originally brought up the concept in the first place. When everybody got into the "PLUR" thing, they got into the "Fuck PLUR" thing. Then when the masses got onto that, they gave up on the word entirely.

Why must everybody claim that things were so much better back in the day all the time? I've been partying for nearly a decade, and do you want to know what's changed?

Sweet.
Fuck.
All.

The problem is everybody keeps comparing Apex 11 with Apex 1, which isn't really a fair comparison... If you want to find something comparable with Apex 1 go to Soundwave. If you want to find another Magic Mountain it's pretty unlikely that ET Brothers will be the ones throwing it.

The only thing that changes is your perception of the party. But really, that's all it is and that's all it's ever been: Just a party. And that's been happening since Roman times.

[Gusto]

Originally Posted by ebbomega

Please stop using that word. It lost meaning over a decade ago.

"PLUR" is just a codeword for "Having a good time".

then what the fuck is HAGT codeword for?

[wishbone]

I think ebbomega brings up a very important point that things ultimately haven't changed. When I was explaining the quality of underground parties I've attended...well, you're right, they haven't changed. Attending those, I knew full well the promoter wasn't doing all they could do to prevent injury and insure safety. But you know what? I didn't really care, and neither did anyone else. Same thing when I drive beyond the speed limit to get somewhere quicker - I make a conscious decision to weigh the pros and cons of being personally negligent.

The parties are pretty much the same, although peoples music and drug preferences have seemed to modernize.

More agreement with ebbomega, it's perception. The last underground I went to I thought was really shitty, yet everyone on FNK all "big upped" it here the day after. I thought everyone was an idiot for liking it, and boom, my perception changed. It was really the same party that I would have loved 5-6 years ago.

[wishbone]

Originally Posted by Gusto

then what the fuck is HAGT codeword for?

There's a province reporter present, watch your back!

[dj_soo]

Originally Posted by wishbone

The last underground I went to I thought was really shitty, yet everyone on FNK all "big upped" it here the day after.

well yea, everyone wants to keep precious guest list still right?

I've seen the "omg best party eveaaarr111!!1one" posts and then seen pictures of the event where there are maybe 50 people in a room meant for 200 - it's always going to happen.

[wishbone]

^agreed.

Although I hope the people who did casino noel last year do it again this year. Only because people were encouraged to wear suits. And I like playing dress up.

^ stop trying to get guestlist. :P